Loyalty

[Sedim Haba]

It's been my overarching trait for as long as I can remember.
No matter the circumstance. Friend, employer, mate, group.
Have I been flawed?
I have been so unwilling to objectively evaluate my loyalties.
Like doing so is in itself unloyal, treasonous, betrayal.

This is my core, my essence, if I am not, ... I am nothing.

 

[Valjean]

Loyalty to leaders or countries is dangerous. The Italian Fascists were loyal. The Nazis were loyal. Loyalty supports the KKK, the Taliban, the US military.

I support loyalty to principles only. I support a leader or government when it comports to moral or ethical principles. I oppose it as soon as it deviates.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I support loyalty to principles only. I support a leader or government when it comports to moral or ethical principles. I oppose it as soon as it deviates.

I give a lot of leeway. Of course, for me too, principles are supreme.

 

[Stevicus]

It's been my overarching trait for as long as I can remember.
No matter the circumstance. Friend, employer, mate, group.
Have I been flawed?
I have been so unwilling to objectively evaluate my loyalties.
Like doing so is in itself unloyal, treasonous, betrayal.

This is my core, my essence, if I am not, ... I am nothing.

I've heard it said that "an ounce of loyalty is worth a pound of cleverness."

 

[Mock Turtle]

Well, one truly knows one's friends when such is an issue. And perhaps more for the friends than oneself.

 

[Koldo]

Being "loyal" is just another word for being tribal.

I would say being "loyal" is another word for being "grateful".

 

[Koldo]

It's been my overarching trait for as long as I can remember.
No matter the circumstance. Friend, employer, mate, group.
Have I been flawed?
I have been so unwilling to objectively evaluate my loyalties.
Like doing so is in itself unloyal, treasonous, betrayal.

This is my core, my essence, if I am not, ... I am nothing.

Loyalty to leaders or countries is dangerous. The Italian Fascists were loyal. The Nazis were loyal. Loyalty supports the KKK, the Taliban, the US military.

I support loyalty to principles only. I support a leader or government when it comports to moral or ethical principles. I oppose it as soon as it deviates.

Loyalty to people must be a two-way street, otherwise it becomes blind obedience.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

"The Man" had better likewise speak well and support the institution, and not himself...

 

[Stevicus]

"The Man" had better likewise speak well and support the institution, and not himself...

Very true, and "The Man" should also be aware that a pound of cleverness does not equal 10 pounds of BS.

 

[Revoltingest]

Being "loyal" is just another word for being tribal.

Even being loyal to friends of different tribes?

 

[Nakosis]

It's been my overarching trait for as long as I can remember.
No matter the circumstance. Friend, employer, mate, group.
Have I been flawed?
I have been so unwilling to objectively evaluate my loyalties.
Like doing so is in itself unloyal, treasonous, betrayal.

This is my core, my essence, if I am not, ... I am nothing.

So loyalty is a two edged sword.
If you belong to a group that promotes ethical behavior such as honesty, integrity, etc, then you would be encouraged to be loyal to the ethical values of the group as well.
However if you pledge loyalty to an unethical group then you might feel compelled to overlook that unethical behavior.

You ought not be blindly loyal. You should know the ethics of the group you are binding your loyalty to. If you find a groups ethics are not what you think they ought to be it is time to disassociate with that group.

Ethics before loyalty.

 

[Quintessence]

Everybody's flawed from a certain point of view.

But if you are true to who you are, there is contentment in that.

 

[Valjean]

Even being loyal to friends of different tribes?

They're part of your status community, thus, your tribe, your "Us."

 

[Revoltingest]

They're part of your status community, thus, your tribe, your "Us."

That's an awfully broad usage of "tribe".

 

[Valjean]

So loyalty is a two edged sword.
If you belong to a group that promotes ethical behavior such as honesty, integrity, etc, then you would be encouraged to be loyal to the ethical values of the group as well.
However if you pledge loyalty to an unethical group then you might feel compelled to overlook that unethical behavior.

You ought not be blindly loyal. You should know the ethics of the group you are binding your loyalty to. If you find a groups ethics are not what you think they ought to be it is time to disassociate with that group.

Ethics before loyalty.

The problem is that a group's ethics often change with time or new leadership.

 

[Valjean]

That's an awfully broad usage of "tribe".

Dunbar community?

 

[Revoltingest]

Dunbar community?

What is this...word association time?
Or about Dunbar peanut roasters & steam engines?

 

[Valjean]

Dunbar's number - Wikipedia

Dunbar invented a peanut roaster? Can I buy one on Amazon?

 

[Heyo]

Even being loyal to friends of different tribes?

You can be a member of different tribes.

 

[Revoltingest]

You can be a member of different tribes.

Or not.
Loyalty to an individual needn't
mean belonging to their group.