Macron refuses to appoint socialist Prime Minister

[TagliatelliMonster]

It's logical.
Macron comes from that banking-technocratic world.
It was impossible that he would nominate a socialist siding with the workers and the retired people.

No, that's not the reason.

But it doesn't actually matter. He still needs to form a government first.
So if the other parties don't want him, he'll fail and someone else will have to do the job.

Isn't democracy cool?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

But you are not even trying to disprove it.

No, and won't ask for proof from you either. I will consider it different opinions and leave it at that.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But you are not even trying to disprove it.

There's no need to.

What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

And even if it WERE the case, as I said: it doesn't even matter.
The dude still needs to form a government with a majority coallition.

France is not an authoritarian sham democracy like Russia where the big chief in charge decides everything while poisoning or jailing the opposition.

 

[Estro Felino]

No, that's not the reason.

What is the reason?

But it doesn't actually matter.

It does.

He still needs to form a government first.
So if the other parties don't want him, he'll fail and someone else will have to do the job.

I hope the French people assault the buildings of power, first.

Isn't democracy cool?

Yes. Because revolutions can happen in democracy.

 

[Estro Felino]

No, and won't ask for proof from you either. I will consider it different opinions and leave it at that.

The difference between you guys and me is that I play cards face up.

I tell I am a populist.
You refuse to admit whether you side with technocrats and bankers or not.

You play cards face down.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It is legal but undemocratic.

There is actually nothing undemocratic about it.

If he succeeds, it means that the French Left has betrayed the French people.

Why?
If he succeeds, it means that he managed to form a majority coalition.
How is it a "betrayal" if the majority of voters are represented in the government?

I answer all your questions.

You didn't actually. You just repeated your claims.

Answer this question: do you side with technocrats? Yes or no.

Define "technocrat".

 

[Estro Felino]

Define "technocrat".

Technocrats are unelected people who are chosen exclusively for their alleged "technic capabilities".
Like Draghi, Barnier...
I suspect they are all Freemasons...

Now answer, s'il vous plait.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What is the reason?

After talking with plenty of people, Macron believes the right wing conservative has the best chances of ending the political impasse and form a stable government.

It does.

No, it doesn't. What matters is that eventually a stable government with majority coalition is formed.
Why do you think it matters who gets tasked with that job?

I hope the French people assault the buildings of power, first.

I thought you were a pacifist? So now you suddenly are pro-violence?
Or are you only anti-violence when everything goes the way you want it to go?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The difference between you guys and me is that I play cards face up.

I tell I am a populist.
You refuse to admit whether you side with technocrats and bankers or not.

You play cards face down.

I don't agree with neither you nor the other ones you mention.
I am a democrat and go with the liberal secular constitutions. I practice I am in European terms, center-left to center.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't agree with neither you nor the other ones you mention.
I am a democrat and go with the liberal secular constitutions. I practice I am in European terms, center-left to center.

The question was about bankers and technocrats.
So yes, you don't play cards face up. I do.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The question was about bankers and technocrats.
So yes, you don't play cards face up. I do.

I am a democrat. The majority rules. Even if in part bankers and technocrats. Not that I agree with them, but if they are a part of a majority, they rule.

 

[Estro Felino]

After talking with plenty of people, Macron believes the right wing conservative has the best chances of ending the political impasse and form a stable government.

The problem is that in the Assemblée Nationale the majority of seats are occupied by Popular Front.

No, it doesn't. What matters is that eventually a stable government with majority coalition is formed.
Why do you think it matters who gets tasked with that job?

Cost of the procedure: 30 pieces of silver.

I thought you were a pacifist? So now you suddenly are pro-violence?
Or are you only anti-violence when everything goes the way you want it to go?

I am a pacifist only when it deals with commoners. You know...ordinary citizens sent to die in wars.
Revolutions are blessed by God.
The élites will be judged by God in the afterlife.

 

[Estro Felino]

I am a democrat. The majority rules. Even if in part bankers and technocrats. Not that I agree with them, but if they are a part of a majority, they rule.

If they are elected, yes.
Not if they are unelected.
If Draghi ran for PM, he would take the 0,00000001% of votes.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The problem is that in the Assemblée Nationale the majority of seats are occupied by Popular Front.

...

Evidence, please.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If they are elected, yes.
Not if they are unelected.
If Draghi ran for PM, he would take the 0,00000001% of votes.

In Denmark the PM don't have to be a member of parliament. They just have to be elected by a majority in parliament.

 

[Estro Felino]

In Denmark the PM don't have to be a member of parliament. They just have to be elected by a majority in parliament.

Yes, and the unelected PM is called technocrat.
That's the term.

PS: Basic Constitutional Law. It's the king who appoints the PM. Then the Parliament will give the vote of confidence to the appointed PM and Government.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Technocrats are unelected people who are chosen exclusively for their alleged "technic capabilities".
Like Draghi, Barnier...

Depends. Not by default.
But if all else fails, like what seems to be the case in France, bringing in someone that can patch things up, seems like the only way forward.

What else do you suggest? Having political impasse continue indefinitely?

If he manages to get a vote of confidence by the majority and get a stable government going, isn't that then better then remaining on a ship without a captain in an impasse with no end in sight?

I suspect they are all Freemasons...

Yeah... I don't really care for your conspiracy delusional suspicions.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes, and the unelected PM is called technocrat.
That's the term.

Well, in Denmark a technocrat can become PM. That is according to the laws and requires a majority in parliament. So it is still democratic.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The problem is that in the Assemblée Nationale the majority of seats are occupied by Popular Front.

So?

Cost of the procedure: 30 pieces of silver.

No idea what that is supposed to mean.

I am a pacifist only when it deals with commoners. You know...ordinary citizens sent to die in wars.
Revolutions are blessed by God.
The élites will be judged by God in the afterlife.

You didn't answer the question.

 

[Estro Felino]

Depends. Not by default.
But if all else fails, like what seems to be the case in France, bringing in someone that can patch things up, seems like the only way forward.

You keep not answering the question.
Do you side with technocrats?

What else do you suggest? Having political impasse continue indefinitely?

New elections. New coalitions before the elections.

If he manages to get a vote of confidence by the majority and get a stable government going, isn't that then better then remaining on a ship without a captain in an impasse with no end in sight?

It's like spitting on the democracy.
The people will rise up.
The French commoners have the , fortunately so they will assault the buildings of power.

Yeah... I don't really care for your conspiracy delusional suspicions.

I asked you a question. Do you side with technocrats?