stvdv
Veteran Member
Macron won't retaliate nuclear if Russia nukes Ukraine
France will not trade nuclear strikes with Russia over Ukraine
France will not trade nuclear strikes with Russia over Ukraine
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Macron won't retaliate nuclear if Russia nukes Ukraine
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It is irrelevant, because if Russia uses a big nuke the cloud of radiation will hit Russia. Only small tactical nukes are of any relevance, and these will not stop Ukraine from defending. Tactical nukes only work against massed forces. Ukraine does not mass its forces unless absolutely necessary. In addition: Russia has been so deeply affected by graft that it is questionable whether its equipment is still functional.
Therefore Macron is hardly surprising and need not commit to launching ballistic missiles. In addition France is wise to stay out of any war that it can avoid. The nations truly in danger are the ex-soviet states and Germany. Why should France give a damn?
Therefore Macron is hardly surprising and need not commit to launching ballistic missiles. In addition France is wise to stay out of any war that it can avoid. The nations truly in danger are the ex-soviet states and Germany. Why should France give a damn?
Josep Borell of the EU has already said that the response to tactical nuclear strikes would not be nuclear,however its response would be the annialation of the Russian army in Ukraine.
This is just the beginning.
I would like to tell those who crave for world war:
Count us Europeans out.
Abandon all hope
We will not be dragged into a world war for the sake of shady élites.
Verstanden? Kapiert?
I would like to tell those who crave for world war:
Count us Europeans out.
Abandon all hope
We will not be dragged into a world war for the sake of shady élites.
Verstanden? Kapiert?
And I support that.
Putin should know that the bridge into Crimera would be totally history and waves and waves of attacks would be forthcoming on all of his troops. And if a few bombs happen to fall in Russia close to the border where troops are massed, well, sorry, but things happen.
Putin started it. To allow him to profit from it would mean that the Russian shady elite would in effect own the rest of Europe.This is just the beginning.
I would like to tell those who crave for world war:
Count us Europeans out.
Abandon all hope
We will not be dragged into a world war for the sake of shady élites.
Verstanden? Kapiert?
WWII taught us a lesson we should never forget. To give a tyrant what he wants just leads to more and more trouble. We should have stopped it at Crimea but now we MUST stop it by any means necessary.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
That's for the best for multiple reasons. First and foremost, Macron's job is to ensure the well-being of the french, and launching a nuclear attack in Russia would lead to France also being attacked with nuclear weapons.
I think I agree with the decision, not sure I agree with the announcement. I don't see what is gained by informing Putin of this.
What I think is that if Putin does use a nuke, even a "small" tactical one, Nato should take off the gloves. They don't need to respond with nuclear weapons, but if this happens they start supporting Ukraine with absolutely everything they got. Fighter planes, long range missiles, anti aircraft, anti missile, anti-anti whatever, ships, tanks, subs, no holds barred. Everything that Zelensky has dreamed of getting and then some. That is what they need to tell Putin.
NATO has been holding back hoping not to escalate this war, and Putin knows this. They should make it clear that if Putin escalates with a nuke, they will respond. Nukes would not even be necessary,
What I think is that if Putin does use a nuke, even a "small" tactical one, Nato should take off the gloves. They don't need to respond with nuclear weapons, but if this happens they start supporting Ukraine with absolutely everything they got. Fighter planes, long range missiles, anti aircraft, anti missile, anti-anti whatever, ships, tanks, subs, no holds barred. Everything that Zelensky has dreamed of getting and then some. That is what they need to tell Putin.
NATO has been holding back hoping not to escalate this war, and Putin knows this. They should make it clear that if Putin escalates with a nuke, they will respond. Nukes would not even be necessary,
Yerda
Veteran Member
The people who think that Macron should start a nuclear war with Russia are absolute lunatics.
It seems to me that NATO are using Ukraine as a proxy and would be happy to drag Russia into a long lasting conflict at the expense of the people in Russia and Ukraine. Don't get me wrong, Putin and his regime are evil, but NATO isn't some flower-power peace corps. It's a military alliance with clear focus on preserving US power.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Now if that was France, different story I'll wager.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's probably going to happen at some point.
I won't argue with this, any of this. It is all about power.
It might be in the interest of NATO and the United States in particular to weaken Russia. But I still say they don't want this war to escalate. That is why they have not given Ukraine everything they have asked for. That is why there has never been a no-fly zone imposed. But a tactical nuke could change all this.
Nuclear retalition is just that tiny step before nuclear annihiliation. Anyone who thinks that's a particularly good idea really must be interested in suicide.
We Never Know
No Slack
If Putin chooses to use nukes on Ukraine, you can bet he will save the best for any other country who tries to retaliate.
That is assuming that he has any "best" still in working order.