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How would you define magick?
what does it mean to you?
Do you see magick as different to mysticism, if so what is the difference?
How would you define magick?
what does it mean to you?
Do you see magick as different to mysticism, if so what is the difference?
Magick is the use of nonlocal/acausal agencies to effect observable change in the world.
These are relevant post links from my own Magic thread (on the forum).
What Magic(k) means to me
my experience/thoughts on magick and myticism
Hope you don't mind the links.
As the conversation (hopefully) picks up,
I will respond more directly here.
hmm this thread could may be be deleted...
but I dont know how
The Buddha is quoted as having said:
I gained nothing at all from supreme enlightenment
It is for that very reason it is called supreme enlightenment.
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with this in mind when discussing magick, do you think the Buddha was wrong?
now can you put that into simple language?
how would this compare to mysticism?
Mysticism is the attempt to harmonize the higher and lower self in order to hear the subtle movement of Spirit within/without.
Magick is the use of this relationship to manipulate the illusion of reality. If reality is an illusion (made from Mara,the four elements of Y-H-V-H) and the Magician is the master of Illusion, then he/she cannot be subject to illusion.
The magus knows the world is an illusion and plays with it, as a child plays with sand castles.
(this is why they are scary to those who worship this illusion of reality, called Y-H-V-H):angel2:
Mysticism is the attempt to harmonize the higher and lower self in order to hear the subtle movement of Spirit within/without.
Magick is the use of this relationship to manipulate the illusion of reality. If reality is an illusion (made from Mara,the four elements of Y-H-V-H) and the Magician is the master of Illusion, then he/she cannot be subject to illusion.
The magus knows the world is an illusion and plays with it, as a child plays with sand castles.
(this is why they are scary to those who worship this illusion of reality, called Y-H-V-H):angel2:
Why would you want to delete it?!
I love Magic(k) conversations more than any other.:rainbow1:
What are your views on Magick Mr. Cheese?
Excellent answer, and well stated...
as usual.
.. the illusion
I would disagree and think magic simply becomes the act of a dog chasing its own tail.
very good
now, why play with sand castles?
there certainly is that risk, for those who have actual "lust for results", by practicing magick to achieve something they feel incapable of doing themselves: (ie) get a job, seduce a lover, fend off a scary beast, etc. and the person gets locked into a cycle of hope/fear, which we call superstition---not magick.
the only way to be a successful magus is to not hope for the result you are wanting, which can seem paradoxical---unless you decide you will want what is best for you. then things get interesting!
Because it's fun? and edifying? and creative?
organic, and even revelational?
Everytime we go to the lake we end the day alone on the sand,
building something with the rocks and sticks,
feathers, "seaweed", whatever we have found and collected that day.
We never know what will arise in the end.
Characters, structures with characters built into them.
And then we turn and leave... and the water washes them away.
It is a very happy thing.
It is almost like a ritual, except that we don't take it so seriously.
And yet... I do.
It is a magic.
How would you define magick?
what does it mean to you?
Do you see magick as different to mysticism, if so what is the difference?