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Magick, Magic, magik

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
How would you define magick?

what does it mean to you?

Do you see magick as different to mysticism, if so what is the difference?
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
These are relevant post links from my own Magic thread (on the forum).



What Magic(k) means to me



my experience/thoughts on magick and myticism

Hope you don't mind the links.
As the conversation (hopefully) picks up,
I will respond more directly here.


The Buddha is quoted as having said:

I gained nothing at all from supreme enlightenment
It is for that very reason it is called supreme enlightenment.

...

with this in mind when discussing magick, do you think the Buddha was wrong?
 

blackout

Violet.
The Buddha is quoted as having said:

I gained nothing at all from supreme enlightenment
It is for that very reason it is called supreme enlightenment.

...

with this in mind when discussing magick, do you think the Buddha was wrong?

Well from my own most supreme and source enlightenment experience,
I gained much. A whole new life in fact, and freedom beyond telling.

I love and thrive in the "Magic" Life.

Of the Buddha, I really do not know, so I cannot answer.
 

Troublemane

Well-Known Member
now can you put that into simple language?

how would this compare to mysticism?


Mysticism is the attempt to harmonize the higher and lower self in order to hear the subtle movement of Spirit within/without.

Magick is the use of this relationship to manipulate the illusion of reality. If reality is an illusion (made from Mara,the four elements of Y-H-V-H) and the Magician is the master of Illusion, then he/she cannot be subject to illusion.

The magus knows the world is an illusion and plays with it, as a child plays with sand castles.
(this is why they are scary to those who worship this illusion of reality, called Y-H-V-H):angel2:
 

blackout

Violet.
Mysticism is the attempt to harmonize the higher and lower self in order to hear the subtle movement of Spirit within/without.

Magick is the use of this relationship to manipulate the illusion of reality. If reality is an illusion (made from Mara,the four elements of Y-H-V-H) and the Magician is the master of Illusion, then he/she cannot be subject to illusion.

The magus knows the world is an illusion and plays with it, as a child plays with sand castles.
(this is why they are scary to those who worship this illusion of reality, called Y-H-V-H):angel2:

Excellent answer, and well stated...

as usual. :cool:
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Mysticism is the attempt to harmonize the higher and lower self in order to hear the subtle movement of Spirit within/without.

Magick is the use of this relationship to manipulate the illusion of reality. If reality is an illusion (made from Mara,the four elements of Y-H-V-H) and the Magician is the master of Illusion, then he/she cannot be subject to illusion.

The magus knows the world is an illusion and plays with it, as a child plays with sand castles.
(this is why they are scary to those who worship this illusion of reality, called Y-H-V-H):angel2:

very good

now, why play with sand castles?
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Why would you want to delete it?!

I love Magic(k) conversations more than any other.:rainbow1:

What are your views on Magick Mr. Cheese?

well i come from a Gnostic perspective...

so my "goal" is to gain Gnosis...

to become who I really am..to awaken...

Gnosis can be seen as knowledge but so cant he word episteme

Episteme refers to mundane knowledge, like a bus time table
Gnosis pertains to higher knowledge.

Gnostics beleive to know something you must become it...

Magic therefore is as was mentioned, playing with illusion. To a Gnostic, the illusion is like being asleep....

Being asleep...or being awake.
If we liken it to wearing a paper bag on your head (illusion)
Then magic is "used" to make the paper bag look nicer....
the problem is, you are still wearing a paper bag.

Now it is argued that by using magic you can "step outside".. the illusion
I would disagree and think magic simply becomes the act of a dog chasing its own tail.

But I dont want to offend anyone so I wont say much more for now...

I am interested in other views, not my own
 

Troublemane

Well-Known Member
.. the illusion
I would disagree and think magic simply becomes the act of a dog chasing its own tail.

there certainly is that risk, for those who have actual "lust for results", by practicing magick to achieve something they feel incapable of doing themselves: (ie) get a job, seduce a lover, fend off a scary beast, etc. and the person gets locked into a cycle of hope/fear, which we call superstition---not magick.

the only way to be a successful magus is to not hope for the result you are wanting, which can seem paradoxical---unless you decide you will want what is best for you. then things get interesting! :D
 

blackout

Violet.
very good

now, why play with sand castles?

Because it's fun? and edifying? and creative? :shrug:
organic, and even revelational?

Everytime we go to the lake we end the day alone on the sand,
building something with the rocks and sticks,
feathers, "seaweed", whatever we have found and collected that day.

We never know what will arise in the end.
Characters, structures with characters built into them.
And then we turn and leave... and the water washes them away.

It is a very happy thing.
It is almost like a ritual, except that we don't take it so seriously.
And yet... I do.

It is a magic.
 

blackout

Violet.
there certainly is that risk, for those who have actual "lust for results", by practicing magick to achieve something they feel incapable of doing themselves: (ie) get a job, seduce a lover, fend off a scary beast, etc. and the person gets locked into a cycle of hope/fear, which we call superstition---not magick.

the only way to be a successful magus is to not hope for the result you are wanting, which can seem paradoxical---unless you decide you will want what is best for you. then things get interesting! :D

I agree. Magic(k) is an organic and flowing exchange between the self,
and the transformative universe. You must move WITH the magic.
It cannot be forced. You cannot "chase" the magic. You move with/in it.
It is an interactive & in-spired experience.
The syncronistic suprises that surface,
are magic's gift to the self.
 
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Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Because it's fun? and edifying? and creative? :shrug:
organic, and even revelational?

Everytime we go to the lake we end the day alone on the sand,
building something with the rocks and sticks,
feathers, "seaweed", whatever we have found and collected that day.

We never know what will arise in the end.
Characters, structures with characters built into them.
And then we turn and leave... and the water washes them away.

It is a very happy thing.
It is almost like a ritual, except that we don't take it so seriously.
And yet... I do.

It is a magic.

could you come into contact with "divine agencies" without a ritual? in your opinion
 

blackout

Violet.
Magic speaks anywhere,
and in anything.... at any time.

My "rituals" are also spontanious self inspired works of art.

Life for me is a ritual. Or nothing is.
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
How would you define magick?

I refuse to define Magic(now), when you do you try to limit it. And one can not limit Magic(k)

what does it mean to you?

A way to harmonize with.......

Do you see magick as different to mysticism, if so what is the difference?

I really don't know much about mysticism so I can't really say. I might just think that mysticism is a form of Magic(k). Like I said, you can't limit Magic(k).
 
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