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mahavatar babaji

satyaroop

Active Member
like most people, I first learnt about mahavatar babaji from the book - autobiography of a yogi

just wondering if anyone here.......maybe feels a sense of reverence towards him, or has some other thoughts or opinions on him...

personally, I'm slightly curious about him......hence the question...
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
I share your interest in these fascinating individuals.

It seems interesting how so many fascinating things I have studied are 'quarantined' by the modern mainstream intellectual world.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Like in case of Adam, people do not live for 900 years. In the same way the 200 year old Mahavatara Babaji who returns once in 50 years to show his face to Yogananda or his guru and then disappears is fictitious. I do not believe in supernatural tales.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
In the same way the 200 year old Mahavatara Babaji who returns once in 50 years to show his face to Yogananda or his guru and then disappears is fictitious.
How do you know it is fictitious? I don't think we have a clue of all that is possible.

'Because that is what I believe' is not really an answer to my question. I hold Yogananda and others in high esteem in my beliefs but that answer would not suffice for you.

p.s. when you reply to me, please do it in a reply or do the @geo... thing so I can get an alert. I like to slap back more quickly:)
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I'm a big fan of Babaji. He has that affect on those who behold him. It's not something that one is likely to ever forget ... nor his entrance, LOL.


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Fictitious or not, he certainly had a profound affect on my life... ...but I'll leave that at that.
 

Sw. Vandana Jyothi

Truth is One, many are the Names
Premium Member
I'm a big fan of Babaji. He has that affect on those who behold him. It's not something that one is likely to ever forget ... nor his entrance, LOL.
Fictitious or not, he certainly had a profound affect on my life... ...but I'll leave that at that.

Oh, yes, YmirGF!! Not fictitious. His "entrance" is something else, as is his way of flying through a scene, as is his way of disappearing.... During 1982 Allahabad Ardh Kumbh Mela (1983 by Hindu calendar), he gave darshan to Guruji and his 30 pilgrims. Nope, one won't ever forget and I'll leave it at that, too :p
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I hold Yogananda and others in high esteem in my beliefs but that answer would not suffice for you.
Take your time, I am in no hurry for a reply. Yes, it would not suffice. If Yogananda or any other person Claims/claimed that a person can live for 200 years or eternally, I will take him /her to be a foolish person or a charlatan/lier. It is OK in mythology where we have seven eternal sages (Chiranjivis), but not in Vyavaharika.
 
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shivsomashekhar

Well-Known Member
How did you determine they are all fictitious?

@George-ananda, this brings up an interesting question.

How do you determine that someone is not fictitious? After all, we have no shortage of self-professed Godmen and I assume everyone agrees that not all are genuine.

So, what is the method - using objective criteria - to reliably determine that someone is genuine vs. bogus?
 

Sw. Vandana Jyothi

Truth is One, many are the Names
Premium Member
Like in case of Adam, people do not live for 900 years. In the same way the 200 year old Mahavatara Babaji who returns once in 50 years to show his face to Yogananda or his guru and then disappears is fictitious. I do not believe in supernatural tales.

Aupji, perhaps we should examine the meaning of "supernatural"? I'm guessing (but not sure, of course) that you might not have experienced the operation of siddhis in yourself or another and that you would consider the siddhis to be supernatural as well? What is considered supernatural in Kali Yuga is considered quite natural in other yugas. It is all the play of consciousness. Again and again, I'm seeing that until one has experienced something like this, though, it is natural to disbelieve, certainly understandable and perhaps even wise in this day and age. Kali yuga is full of deception, zero argument there. The most someone who has seen what is considered supernatural can hope for, maybe even pray for others (because the experiences are just plain FUN!) is rather than clinging to a flat out "no, it's not possible" stance is a switch to, "well, perhaps." Suspending total disbelief greases the wheels of grace. Nobody is asking you to believe in them or their stories, only in the possibility that you, too, might experience something which incites awe above and beyond say, a beautiful sunrise. Such an experience will automatically make one redefine "supernatural." Because if it happened, it must be natural.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
No way, Sassymaa, a hardened atheist, anti-supernatural here. A beautiful sunrise or the clouds moving-in in mountains or the rustle of leaves in a forest or gurgle of a spring is a different thing. That is magic but not supernatural.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Take your time, I am in no hurry for a reply.
Did I owe you a reply to something??
Yes, it would not suffice. If Yogananda or any other person Claims/claimed that a person can live for 200 years or eternally, I will take him /her to be a foolish person or a charlatan/lier. It is OK in mythology where we have seven eternal sages (Chiranjivis), but not in Vyavaharika.
I have asked for evidence of why people with siddhis (paranormal abilities in western terms) or those who believe in them must be foolish/liars/charlatans. Your answered is always 'I don't believe in such things'. Well, my decades long study of the paranormal has lead me to believe beyond reasonable doubt that dramatically telling things well outside the reach of today's science do occur. As this subject has been an avocation of mine, I have fully considered all the skeptical challenges to my belief before forming my position on the subject.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
@George-ananda, this brings up an interesting question.

How do you determine that someone is not fictitious? After all, we have no shortage of self-professed Godmen and I assume everyone agrees that not all are genuine.

So, what is the method - using objective criteria - to reliably determine that someone is genuine vs. bogus?
Fair question. It starts from my decades long study of the so-called paranormal and my conclusion that dramatically telling things about the nature of the universe and beyond the reach of our current science do occur (see above post).

Now I also believe beyond reasonable doubt that there have been modern Godmen studied by objective western researchers that show I feel beyond all reasonable doubt that they possess abilities beyond the reach of current science (Satya Sai Baba for example). Now for Mahavatar Babaji you will notice I only said I believe the claims are only highly likely to be true in my opinion. This opinion comes from a belief in the existence of siddhis coupled with my respect for the people attesting to the claims.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
No, you don't owe me a reply, otherwise also I am a laid back person. You are welcome to your views, I to mine. That is an accepted position in Hinduism.
"Lakum deenukum wa liya deen." Surah Al-Kafirun, Al-Quran.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Fair question. It starts from my decades long study of the so-called paranormal and my conclusion that dramatically telling things about the nature of the universe and beyond the reach of our current science do occur (see above post).
Oh yes, science cannot confirm or deny that there is a tea-kettle orbiting the earth.

But George, a difference of opinion does not mean cessation of relationship. Had it been that, I would not be with my theist family. So, let us still be friends. :)
 

shivsomashekhar

Well-Known Member
Fair question. It starts from my decades long study of the so-called paranormal and my conclusion that dramatically telling things about the nature of the universe and beyond the reach of our current science do occur (see above post).

During this time, have you encountered para-normal incidents yourself? Something that you witnessed first-hand and was convinced that it was not a hoax?
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
During this time, have you encountered para-normal incidents yourself? Something that you witnessed first-hand and was convinced that it was not a hoax?
I have had some things happen to me like many people that I believed to be paranormal, but they were not dramatic enough to be beyond all reasonable doubt. I actually believe some people are more psychic than others and I am one of the less so:(. I also believe I experience more from the logical rational side and I believe such people as myself are less psychic. I feel my strength is in logically and rationally thinking about the paranormal and spirituality rather than being an experiencer.
 

Sw. Vandana Jyothi

Truth is One, many are the Names
Premium Member
During this time, have you encountered para-normal incidents yourself? Something that you witnessed first-hand and was convinced that it was not a hoax?

Wow, I'm not @George-ananda ji, but it's astonishing to me how easily you guys are dismissing the very well known concept of siddhis. The only obvious conclusion is that although you are familiar with the term "God-men," you have never met one. May God bless each and every one of you--in this lifetime--with that experience. Beyond any doubt, it is life- and consciousness-altering.

True story from my past:
On my 39th birthday, six years after meeting Guruji, the resident cook of the ashram, Rajeshwari, prepares a giant-sized, institutional-sized sheet cake in addition to the normal hearty meal. At the end of the satsang, during the arati, she disappears for a few moments and returns with that huge cake, candles spread and on fire, forty of them—one extra for good luck—with as much distance as possible between them. It looks like a little football field at half time with the band spread yards apart from each other across the field from one goal post to the other, all waving sparklers.

Guruji is still seated on his asana. The room is pretty crowded. Everybody sings “Happy Birthday to You” and when they finish, Guruji says, “Make a wish.”

I don't get a fraction of a second to think, not even, before Guruji says for me, “Wish for the success of the Lord Dattatreya and Ganesha books!” Those are the ones I was currently typesetting on a Mac Plus with the 9” screen. Happy to oblige, by now I know the Indian way of signaling assent, which until you do, you think people are saying ‘no’ when they’re really saying ‘yes.’

So, I consent to his wish for my birthday, open my mouth and draw in a deep breath. I will need a lot of wind to mow down the band. But before I can exhale, while I and most everyone else are looking at the flaming candles, the power to burn is withdrawn from every single one of them all at the same time. Out. Flames out. Gone. Snuffed. All of them. At the same time.

A chorus of audible gasps fills the room. Beyond delighted, I spin around to Guruji and laugh loudly, exuberantly, like a little girl. What a great birthday present! His eyes are twinkling and he just smiles. Everybody sees it happen… except the one devotee who frequently hints how pleased he would be if Guruji would only show his powers.

Y'all don't know what you're missing and by stubbornly keeping your minds closed even to the possibility, you are guaranteeing that you will continue to miss out. As you think, so shall it be. Unless, of course, Ishvara decides to shake you up a bit. May it be so, tatastu.
 
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