"Make Rape Legal" Men's Group Plans Events in 43 Countries for Saturday

[Saint Frankenstein]

and in these courts, the judge always makes the correct decision 100% of the time? I highly doubt that to be the case. So you will inevitably be killing some people wrongly. That's not justice.

Sounds like your issue is more about the death penalty here. I support the death penalty, but the death penalty isn't the topic of this thread.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There are some of the Second Wave who are vehemently anti-transsexual, and they are called "TERF," of Trans-Exclusive Radical Feminists. But, as has been pointed out, they are a dying breed.

Truthfully, for most of its history, the feminist movement has been fraught with racism and classism. It was actually started by upper class white women in the 19th century. They excluded non-white women and didn't really care about poor or working class people. They were basically just bored privileged *****es, to be honest. Black women noticed this, especially during the 2nd wave, and many of them distanced themselves from feminism and started womanism.

The 3rd wave is attempting to fix all this, but it's still a problem.

 

[9Westy9]

Sounds like your issue is more about the death penalty here. I support the death penalty, but the death penalty isn't the topic of this thread.

Correct, and the only reason I'm talking about it is because someone else said that they think killing convicted rapists is ok.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

[Source]

Do you think men who hate women represent a significant number of men in the Men's Rights Movement?

What do you think is the ratio of such men in the Men's Rights Movement to men in the Movement who do not hate women?

Do you think women who hate men represent a significant number of women in the Feminist Movement?

What do you think is the ratio of such women in the Feminist Movement to women in the Movement who do not hate men?

[Source]


Do you agree with Valizadeh that, "by attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions"?

Do you think we should teach men not to rape?

[Further Reading]

This prick-pickle is coming to Scotland, or is trying to set up meetings of his supporters here. I'd like to see him try his shtick on Glasgow women. He'd soon be breathing through a few new face holes.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So the question is, why should men join a group who has clearly decided that the needs of their (men's) gender is low on their list of priorities?

It's not that priorities are low, it's that, as I mentioned earlier, men set the bar for women to be equal to, much in how white people set the bar for non-whites to be equal to.

 

[Wirey]

This prick-pickle is coming to Scotland, or is trying to set up meetings of his supporters here. I'd like to see him try his shtick on Glasgow women. He'd soon be breathing through a few new face holes.

Don't kid yourself. That fake perv thing I do here? That works in real life if you smile. Women are just as gullible as us.

 

[Revoltingest]

The 3rd wave is attempting to fix all this, but it's still a problem.

I allow for both men's & women's rights movements to be diverse & have imperfect members.
Anyone working towards something good is OK with me.
(Of course, we libertarians are all unfailingly wonderful.)

 

[Thanda]

Indeed. Though they might find some excuse or other why they attack, I doubt there was anything sensible why you were targeted, clothing, appearance or anything that you should change. Same goes for rapes.

That is precisely why I added the disclaimer at the bottom. Not all assault happen in the same circumstances. Some of them may happen in a situation where you could have run away. Others happen in a situation where you could have called for help before it happens. Others happen in a situation where you could have de-escalated an argument before it turned to an assault.

Likewise with rapes. There are things women can do in certain types of rape to prevent them from happening. But there are obviously certain types of rape where nothing the woman could have done have prevented. It's not one size fits all.

 

[Thanda]

It's not that priorities are low, it's that, as I mentioned earlier, men set the bar for women to be equal to, much in how white people set the bar for non-whites to be equal to.

Men did not set the bar for what women should be equal to. Men had a different set of rights and responsibilities versus women for thousands of years which was for the most necessitated or encouraged by the circumstances societies found themselves in. There were up-sides and down-sides to both parts of the equation. So since the circumstances have changed drastically over the last 200 years women have been asking/demanding for a change in these rights and responsibilities. Good for them. We must also, though, allow for men to have their own movements where they can ask/demand a change in their rights and responsibilities.

 

[Augustus]

When you get narcissistic trolls Like the guy in the OP, I'm not convinced that the best strategy is to give them masses of free publicity and make them think that they are important.

Protesting against people with very little support, creating online petitions, being outraged at their antics and complaining to politicians and the media is the best possible way to help them.

When will people with good intentions realise that it is often better to shut up and say nothing, than say something that is counterproductive to your goals. I suppose some people just want everyone else to know how outraged they are.

In an ideal world, the media would realise it is better to miss out on a nice juicy headline than give millions of $$$ of free publicity to those they are appalled by.

If it is illegal, quietly ban it. If it's not illegal, it's best to shut up and stop actively promoting them.

 

[Jumi]

You will do well to remember men and women had different sets of rights in different cultures and at different times. For example Aztec women had more rights before they were invaded by conquerors with less value and those values were forced. In some places during those thousands of years it was normal for women to have multiple husbands, own property, be a soldier or have their own business. In other places women barely had rights at all.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Ah, is this a jab against those believing rapists do their thing only due to mental illness, and never ever due to sexual fulfillment?

I mean, teaching men to not rape can only be done to men with no mental illness.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ah, is this a jab against those believing rapists do their thing only due to mental illness, and never ever due to sexual fulfillment?
I mean, teaching men to not rape can only be done to men with no mental illness.

The whole "teaching men not to rape" seems accusatory.
Should we also "teach women not to steal"?
Neither sounds good.
Instead, we need to teach values which respect the rights of others,
in all the possible complexities which confront us, eg, what constitutes
consent for sex, the ethics of handling other people's money.

 

[Smart_Guy]

The whole "teaching men not to rape" seems accusatory.
Should we also "teach women not to steal"?

Now that you mentioned it... this is sexist against men!

I demand equality!

 

[Revoltingest]

Now that you mentioned it... this is sexist against men!
I demand equality!

How about this proposal for one aspect of sexual assault & misadventures.....
Teach all kids about the issues of consent to sex.
This will help some avoid committing an offense,
& help others avoid becoming the victim of it.
This is a coed approach.

 

[Smart_Guy]

How about this proposal for one aspect of sexual assault & misadventures.....
Teach all kids about the issues of consent to sex.
This will help some avoid committing an offense,
& help others avoid becoming the victim of it.
This is a coed approach.

I think:
1- Teach them that rape is bad; e.g. how they would feel in the victim's shoes.
2- Inform them well about the rape penalties and scare them with it.
3- Encourage them to get married as soon as safely possible and start their own families.

And I mean all the above in conjunction together, so please don't scold me for one of them individually.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think:
1- Teach them that rape is bad; e.g. how they would feel in the victim's shoes.
2- Inform them well about the rape penalties and scare them with it.
3- Encourage them to get married as soon as safely possible and start their own families.
And I mean all the above in conjunction together, so please don't scold me for one of them individually.

I don't think that would change much.
Generally, rapists who know they're doing wrong won't benefit from being told it's wrong.
The problem which can be addressed by education is the date rape scenario. People
need to learn about giving & granting consent, & avoiding risky situations, eg, getting
drunk & becoming vulnerable, having sex with a drunken partner.
Also, don't rush into marriage. (The penalties can be severe.)

 

[Oldsoul]

Am I reading. ."Teach Rape is bad?"

Is there such a thing as Good Rape?

Who rapes for the greater good?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Who rapes for the greater good?

You'd be surprised. People can be really nasty at times.

 

[Yerda]

This prick-pickle is coming to Scotland, or is trying to set up meetings of his supporters here. I'd like to see him try his shtick on Glasgow women. He'd soon be breathing through a few new face holes.

Hey, the love of my life is a Weegie!

You callin ma burd a headcase, pal?