Making sense of the Pandemic

[Evangelicalhumanist]

God thinks killing babies is evil.

Not always. Some of the first born of Egypt were babies. Many of the victims of the flood were babies. Many of the Canaanites (at least the boys - the girls could be reserved for more fun things) were babies.

God thinks violating nature in sexual matters is evil.

So of course having your uninvited way with virgin females (see the Canaanites) doesn't count as violating nature in sexual matters -- and so is okay!

God had what He thinks written down for us, so don't blame me.

In which case, according to the writings quoted, you would be justified in killing your enemy neighbour's son, and raping his daughter. Especially if it was to get his land and property. It's in the book.

 

[PureX]

Humans have been blaming disasters on 'divine anger' since the dawn of time. And yet so much inhumanity still goes on unpunished. I really just don't buy it. If God were punishing us for our our immoral behavior, we'd all be long dead. And the fact that we aren't then makes that idea of God look like an cheap poser.

 

[Windwalker]

I think it's more about so many not seriously thinking about issues and also thinking that what they do doesn't impact the overall picture - such as, leave it up to governments. So quite often people aren't behaving deliberately bad or with bad intent, they often just don't consider the consequences of their actions.

No, I don't think we're being deliberately bad for the most part either. It's the system itself which is based upon greed, where you have individuals and people in positions of power where they are, often times consumed by it, hoarding wealth and not putting it back into the system, creating great and harmful economic disparities. The system itself becomes distorted and broken, and the average person who is a participant in that system (we all are), is not driven as much by that greed factor as those at the top are. But we still serve it and just assume everything the machine is doing to the world, which includes ourselves, will someone just work itself out magically.

Hey, it's not an easy thing, but it's the system we're all in. I think maybe we do have a moral obligation to act as the checks and balances of such a system by not buying products which harm the world. End the demand for it. But as long as we demand it, like must have a giant piece of meat for every meal, the system will give us what we want, and then create a wasteland. Basically, we need to step out and change the system, from the ground up, replacing the top with a more representative moral leadership, as opposed to corrupted agents of unchecked greed.

The whole thing is an interconnected tapestry, and we are all threads woven into it.

 

[dad]

It's a virus, there's even a hint in the name.

I someone disputing that? I think the thread is asking why we are seeing such a serious pestilence and if God is involved because of society being so sick.

Sure killing babies is an abomination, killing anyone is but your loving God has no problem doing it according to you.

So now you want to divert the focus to some twisted old wives notions you have about the bible and nature of God. No, don't think so.

There are many crimes humanity should be punished for. What we have done to the planet we live on and forcing children to believe nonsense like you and some religions sprout, mass genocide and probably many others.

True, but if God had to step in, we would be looking for certain signature types of wickedness.

I have seen no evidence of the procedures you claim are being forced on children and you failed to provide any evidence when quizzed by OldBadger.

When a child is loved and taught the truth and brought up in the way they should go, we would not have the sort of thing going on today. I had assumed that when articles said children as young as seven years old were being transgendered that this involved medical procedures. Apparently the actual surgery itself usually comes later, but there are still phases of the 'transition' happened. Possibly some drugs and behavior modification and etc as part of the process. Since I haven't dug deeply into it *(being grossed out at how children are subjected to that sort of thing) I am not really knowledgeable on the minutia of how they do it.
In some cases, they seem to claim it is a medical necessity. I doubt that for the most part and why would I trust the sort of people involved in this? They say much the same sort of thing about killing babies.
To offend children by claiming they need such procedures on the massive scale we see today is and doing so against parental wishes in some cases is truly evil as far as I am concerned, and as far as I understand Scripture.

 

[dad]

Perhaps some of us are free-to-think idiots rather than robot idiots.

Perhaps some of us fancy ourselves to be such.

 

[dad]

So you deceive us with false facts and bible quotes. Then you try to splice rape and murder to sex transition. Now you try to splice mass murder in to your perception of 'Why God punishes us'.

You now question a quotation about a case which you linked us to, querying the honesty of the link that you chose.

You see? This is a typical example of religious extremism which seeks to subject people, even children, to its own controls.

It is not even about good people seeking to be free of the wicked controls you endorse and try to justify here. The thread is about whether God is acting as a result of the wickedness. Since the bible already tells us what good and bad is, we don't need you for that.

You mention abortion as well, which is a different subject, but since you did mention it, can I ask you....:-
What do you think about totally free medicare, education and subsistence for all minors?

It is not a different subject when various sins that comprise the full cup of iniquity are cited. I am not here to debate whether unnatural sexual relations, molesting kids with trans propaganda and procedures, or sacrificing babies is right or wrong. The thread simply asks if these Scripturally wicked acts have resulted in judgments of God or not. We do not need your opinion as to whether God is right or wrong in His commands and advice to man.

 

[dad]

How would God do that? Could God protect, administrate, police and judge all by himself? That seems unlikely.

He can do anything. He happens to have innumerable angels as well so that probably helps. He will even give His saved children the opportunity to rule with Him. Relax, He got this.

 

[dad]

Not always. Some of the first born of Egypt were babies. Many of the victims of the flood were babies. Many of the Canaanites (at least the boys - the girls could be reserved for more fun things) were babies. So of course having your uninvited way with virgin females (see the Canaanites) doesn't count as violating nature in sexual matters -- and so is okay!

In some cases, God had to stop the wicked and this resulted in some babies getting promoted to heaven early. Just as the babies killed in child sacrifice/abortions are taken to be with Him today. But this is not really a thread for devils to blaspheme God, or second guess the Almighty.

In which case, according to the writings quoted, you would be justified in killing your enemy neighbour's son, and raping his daughter. Especially if it was to get his land and property. It's in the book.

Demonic foolishness. One cannot use exceptional events in the history of ancient Israel to justify their twisted and evil actions today.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It amazes me how fundamentalist "thinkers" can rationalize anything, no matter how irrational, to fit with their world view through contortions, mental gymnastics, going two directions at once, poor reasoning and untestable assertions.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It amazes me how fundamentalist "thinkers" can rationalize anything, no matter how irrational, to fit with their world view through contortions, mental gymnastics, going two directions at once, poor reasoning and untestable assertions.

Shouldn't amaze you. They're conditioned to it. There's a whole apologetics industry dedicated to just that.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Shouldn't amaze you. They're conditioned to it. There's a whole apologetics industry dedicated to just that.

It should not amaze me given what you say, but it still does. Perhaps it is because I know people that believe in God and Christ and do not have to reinvent the world to fit their views nor claim to know the mind of God that they must force on everyone else. Those Christians do not fear reality will cause them to stop believing.

You have a good point. When you can make money off of stupid people and get them to perpetuate your money making scheme for free, the dollars will never stop rolling in.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Shouldn't amaze you. They're conditioned to it. There's a whole apologetics industry dedicated to just that.

When I was a child, they told me that Satan was the Dad of Lies. Perhaps it is Satan that is running the world and confusing us all. But if that were true, then we could believe nothing. Not even the people that claim to be telling us the truth. I cannot imagine a God that would let people be painted into a corner where nothing we see, hear, read or learn could be trusted. It would be amazing to me and irrational beyond reasoning and then I learned about fundamentalist thinking.

 

[John53]

I someone disputing that?

Yes, you were earlier in the thread.

I think the thread is asking why we are seeing such a serious pestilence and if God is involved because of society being so sick.

The thread is an attempt to scare people into believing what you believe. It's a time honoured religious tactic and with the current air of uncertainty we will see a lot of religious charlatans using the same tactics to benefit their own cause.

So now you want to divert the focus to some twisted old wives notions you have about the bible and nature of God. No, don't think so.

I got it from your claim that God is punishing us with coronavirus.

True, but if God had to step in, we would be looking for certain signature types of wickedness.

And they would of course line up with your agenda.

When a child is loved and taught the truth and brought up in the way they should go, we would not have the sort of thing going on today.

You should learn your bible. According to it we are all sinners.

I had assumed that when articles said children as young as seven years old were being transgendered that this involved medical procedures. Apparently the actual surgery itself usually comes later, but there are still phases of the 'transition' happened. Possibly some drugs and behavior modification and etc as part of the process. Since I haven't dug deeply into it *(being grossed out at how children are subjected to that sort of thing) I am not really knowledgeable on the minutia of how they do it.
In some cases, they seem to claim it is a medical necessity. I doubt that for the most part and why would I trust the sort of people involved in this? They say much the same sort of thing about killing babies.
To offend children by claiming they need such procedures on the massive scale we see today is and doing so against parental wishes in some cases is truly evil as far as I am concerned, and as far as I understand Scripture.

So basically you're making stuff up without any evidence and using it to try and scare people into believing what you believe.

 

[dad]

Yes, you were earlier in the thread.

Insane false allegation.

The thread is an attempt to scare people into believing what you believe. It's a time honoured religious tactic and with the current air of uncertainty we will see a lot of religious charlatans using the same tactics to benefit their own cause.

If you want to deny any possibility that God may step in no matter what people do, then you are in denial of history.

I got it from your claim that God is punishing us with coronavirus.

The question of whether or not nations have warranted judgment from God is valid. Your denial and lack of ability to debate or reason show you have nothing but attitude, and that needs adjusting.

You should learn your bible. According to it we are all sinners.

True. It also talks about a lot of other things.

So basically you're making stuff up without any evidence and using it to try and scare people into believing what you believe.

So basically you are denying for no reason and making stuff up falsely about the position of other posters. How small.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

True, but if God had to step in, we would be looking for certain signature types of wickedness.

And they would of course line up with your agenda.

Of course! Every Christian knows that God hates exactly the same things that they do!

 

[dad]

Of course! Every Christian knows that God hates exactly the same things that they do!

He did show the reasons that nations were destroyed in the past. One should not dismiss asking oneself if modern nations may have followed that pattern. Not if one was smart and wanted life.

 

[oldbadger]

It is not a different subject when various sins that comprise the full cup of iniquity are cited. I am not here to debate whether unnatural sexual relations, molesting kids with trans propaganda and procedures, or sacrificing babies is right or wrong. The thread simply asks if these Scripturally wicked acts have resulted in judgments of God or not. We do not need your opinion as to whether God is right or wrong in His commands and advice to man.

Nor have I given my opinion about the many varied actions and conditions which you have included in this thread.

But I have asked you a question, and wonder what you think about:-
You mention abortion as well, which is a different subject, but since you did mention it, can I ask you....:-
What do you think about totally free medicare, education and subsistence for all minors?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Of course! Every Christian knows that God hates exactly the same things that they do!

Absolutely. What I cannot reconcile is why some Christians hate things like truth, knowledge and science and why they have to lie to support that hate. It is not good Christian behavior or honesty.

 

[oldbadger]

He can do anything. He happens to have innumerable angels as well so that probably helps. He will even give His saved children the opportunity to rule with Him. Relax, He got this.

How could God's saved children help God to rule?
What could they possibly do?
What kind of a World would it be like?

 

[oldbadger]

Demonic foolishness. One cannot use exceptional events in the history of ancient Israel to justify their twisted and evil actions today.

..... but you would (presumably) take many of your tenets and laws from the Old Testament, from those days.... yes?
Which ones to take, and which ones to discard?