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Making sense of the Pandemic

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Two-bit trash blasphemy.
It is there to read in the bible. Your bible as well.
You call the bible blasphemy?

That's the trouble, you have picked and chosen the bits that fit your story, and when other perfectly clear bits are mentioned you scream foul.

Jesus Sonofthe Father is mentioned right there in the bible, in the last week of the story, loved by the people, and released by Pilot.

There is another story about Jesus Sonof Man as well, but he didn't die either.......

It's not blasphemy to read the bible and see it all.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
John lived for a long time. Apparently you have invented some other John. Again, trashy and ignorant slander.

There you go again..... I'm trashy and ignorant, eh?
Why do extreme Christians throw muck like that at folks when they are lost for a case to put?

I know that John apostle could not have been John disciple because he had no clue about the timeline of events, he did not know when anything happened!
And he told really naughty fibs about incidents where the synoptics told a much more accurate account.

If you think that a Galilean peasant fisherman could live about 50 years longer than the average age for such folks then you've really lost the plot.

I can feel quite angry about John Apostle...... he had Jesus against 'the jews' all the time, when in fact Jesus was campaigning 'FOR THE JEWS' against a corrupt Temple and Priesthood which was fleecing the working people in so many ways, sucking up to the invaders, practicing invader customs and religions, ...... bah! You really should research the story for yourself. Become an Investigator!

Learn some truth.

:)
 

dad

Undefeated
You are the consummate dogmatist. You think you way of thinking is "right" while other peoples thinking is "folly". Everyone thinks their own dogma it the only right one. And people who do not share the same dogma are insane. This is how dogma works.
There is no need to wonder about what is right or wrong, God gave us Scripture.
The problem with scripture is it was written by men.
Says you. Jesus disagrees.

The problem with scripture is it is interpreted by men.
Says you. God's hand and guidance was promised.


The problem with human language is it is full of ambiguities and connotative meanings. Some connotative meanings only exist in the historical context in which scripture was written.
Nuances can add to the text and meaning. They are not needed in understanding the gospel or basic thrust and content of Scripture.

The funny thing about people like you is you make no distinction between fact and opinion
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Yes, I do. The foolish baseless biased opinion and belief of so-called science is very much distinguished from actual fact.

You think your own opinions are facts.
No. I do think God's word is fact though.

The Catholic and Baptist religions are just as good as any swill you are drinking!
Great. So enjoy them.
 

dad

Undefeated
I don't believe that pro-life folks are genuine UNLESS they would support children as I have already described.
However genuine they may or may not be does not make mass murderers pure and right. I do not reject evil because some group protests it. I reject evil because God told us what was good and what is evil.


That's your guess, not mine.
Where's your faith in USA?
Good question. I suggest they find it fast before it is too late.


Oh please! A horrid article about a child?
The hypocrite is probably the bigot who wrote the article.

The carbon footprint of the little preacher was noted. Either you can show she really does not leave them, or not. Instead, we see name-calling.

I mean, you wanted to put her down for travelling on a plane, I guess you wanted her to swim to the USA..
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I do not follow little propped up propaganda acts that use young people. Far as I am concerned her parents should have taught her the truth.
 

dad

Undefeated
It is there to read in the bible. Your bible as well.
You call the bible blasphemy?

That's the trouble, you have picked and chosen the bits that fit your story, and when other perfectly clear bits are mentioned you scream foul.

Jesus Sonofthe Father is mentioned right there in the bible, in the last week of the story, loved by the people, and released by Pilot.

There is another story about Jesus Sonof Man as well, but he didn't die either.......

It's not blasphemy to read the bible and see it all.
When people think they see a wicked God, we know they are seeing things.
 

dad

Undefeated
There you go again..... I'm trashy and ignorant, eh?
Your post was.


I know that John apostle could not have been John disciple because he had no clue about the timeline of events, he did not know when anything happened!
And he told really naughty fibs about incidents where the synoptics told a much more accurate account.
What did he not know in your mind?
If you think that a Galilean peasant fisherman could live about 50 years longer than the average age for such folks then you've really lost the plot.
We know he lived the longest and was a leader in the early church.
I can feel quite angry about John Apostle...... he had Jesus against 'the jews' all the time, when in fact Jesus was campaigning 'FOR THE JEWS' against a corrupt Temple and Priesthood which was fleecing the working people in so many ways, sucking up to the invaders, practicing invader customs and religions, ...... bah! You really should research the story for yourself. Become an Investigator!

Learn some truth.

:)
It is funny that Jesus gave John the final and some say one of the greatest books in the bible if he was such a loser as you claim eh?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
When people think they see a wicked God, we know they are seeing things.
Huh?
I just explained what the Bible shows to any who cares to look.
I did not refer to a wicked God.
You ideas really do skip about, possibly because you have no real answer to what was actually written.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
What did he not know in your mind?
We know he lived the longest and was a leader in the early church.
It is funny that Jesus gave John the final and some say one of the greatest books in the bible if he was such a loser as you claim eh?
I just explained what he did not know. You see? You just cannot see that his report is very very different from, say, Mark's.
Do not tell me that I claim John is a loser! You stick to what I write, please. John had possession of a very useful bunch of documents and stories, maybe some were of oral tradition, and some are most useful historically.... factually, but he did not have a clue where to place them on any real timeline that really happened. And he embellished and exaggerated horribly... that's being kind to him.

Fortunately I don't live in any Christian Theocracy or Theonomy or I know what the religious police would do to me. Ah yes. :)
 

dad

Undefeated
Huh?
I just explained what the Bible shows to any who cares to look.
I did not refer to a wicked God.
You ideas really do skip about, possibly because you have no real answer to what was actually written.
No. You shared delusions.
 

dad

Undefeated
I just explained what he did not know. You see? You just cannot see that his report is very very different from, say, Mark's.
Of course they are different people. Why would God use them as marionettes and make them dance the same?

Do not tell me that I claim John is a loser! You stick to what I write, please. John had possession of a very useful bunch of documents and stories, maybe some were of oral tradition, and some are most useful historically..
You think you know what he was in possession of...how?


.. factually, but he did not have a clue where to place them on any real timeline that really happened. And he embellished and exaggerated horribly... that's being kind to him.
You seem to suggest all gospels are in chronological order? Or...?
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
There is no need to wonder about what is right or wrong, God gave us Scripture.
Says you. Jesus disagrees.

The Bible was translated by men. What the Bible was translated from has been lost or altered. We have no way to know what Jesus originally said.

What I do know, or what is my opinion, is what Jesus is saying in the Bible is not enough to get someone crucified. I think Jesus was probably saying something like you don't need to go to church for your salvation. Something big that was causing him to be noticed by the people in power.

You should read the Dead Sea scrolls. It's a much more accurate representation of the Jewish mind at the time:

Is the idea of having a "chosen people" detrimental to the World

Says you. God's hand and guidance was promised.

Nobody knows what God is thinking. The mind of God is beyond any human's comprehension.

Nuances can add to the text and meaning. They are not needed in understanding the gospel or basic thrust and content of Scripture.

There is some very good evidence the gospel was written by the Romans. Consider the following passages:

Matt.5 Verses 38 to 48, Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: [39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's." Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

What is the likelihood the most difficult people on the planet to govern are suddenly going to turn the other cheek, submit to their masters, and give to Caesar what is Caesar's. Not possible.

Here's a video suggesting the Gospel is war-time occupational propaganda:


Of course since you are Kool-Aid drinking you will dismiss this evidence out of hand. The thing is it's very hard to argue with Atwill's argument with regards to the over 40 topological associations all in the SAME sequence and in the SAME locations between the two literally works compared in his study. The parallels are ASTOUNDING! The locations and sequence of Jesus travels through the Gospel line up with the military campaign of Titus Flavius as if Titus Flavius is implied to be the Jewish savior! The propaganda was designed to imply Titus Flavius was the son of God! The Romans were using religion to govern the people in an occupied land.
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Yes, I do. The foolish baseless biased opinion and belief of so-called science is very much distinguished from actual fact.
No. I do think God's word is fact though.

You are just upset because for over 200 years now science has been extremely successful in dispelling thousands of silly superstitions. Do you honestly think slitting the throat of a goat is going to gain you favor with God? Come on now, be honest!

Leviticus 16:5
"He shall take from the congregation of the sons of Israel two male goats for a sin offering and one ram for a burnt offering.
Leviticus 3:12
'Moreover, if his offering is a goat, then he shall offer it before the LORD,
Leviticus 4:23
if his sin which he has committed is made known to him, he shall bring for his offering a goat, a male without defect.
Leviticus 9:3
"Then to the sons of Israel you shall speak, saying, 'Take a male goat for a sin offering, and a calf and a lamb, both one year old, without defect, for a burnt offering,
Leviticus 23:19
'You shall also offer one male goat for a sin offering and two male lambs one year old for a sacrifice of peace offerings.
Numbers 7:16
one male goat for a sin offering;
Numbers 7:22
one male goat for a sin offering;
Numbers 7:28
one male goat for a sin offering;
Numbers 7:34
one male goat for a sin offering;
Numbers 7:40
one male goat for a sin offering;
Numbers 7:46
one male goat for a sin offering;
Numbers 7:52
one male goat for a sin offering;
Numbers 7:58
one male goat for a sin offering;
Numbers 7:64
one male goat for a sin offering;
Numbers 7:70
one male goat for a sin offering;
Numbers 7:76
one male goat for a sin offering;
Numbers 7:82
one male goat for a sin offering;
Numbers 7:87
all the oxen for the burnt offering twelve bulls, all the rams twelve, the male lambs one year old with their grain offering twelve, and the male goats for a sin offering twelve;
Numbers 15:24
then it shall be, if it is done unintentionally, without the knowledge of the congregation, that all the congregation shall offer one bull for a burnt offering, as a soothing aroma to the LORD, with its grain offering and its drink offering, according to the ordinance, and one male goat for a sin offering.
Numbers 28:15
'And one male goat for a sin offering to the LORD; it shall be offered with its drink offering in addition to the continual burnt offering.
Numbers 28:22
and one male goat for a sin offering to make atonement for you.
Numbers 29:5
'Offer one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you,
Numbers 29:11
one male goat for a sin offering, besides the sin offering of atonement and the continual burnt offering and its grain offering, and their drink offerings.
Numbers 29:16
and one male goat for a sin offering, besides the continual burnt offering, its grain offering and its drink offering.
Numbers 29:19
and one male goat for a sin offering, besides the continual burnt offering and its grain offering, and their drink offerings.
Numbers 29:22
and one male goat for a sin offering, besides the continual burnt offering and its grain offering and its drink offering.
Numbers 29:25
and one male goat for a sin offering, besides the continual burnt offering, its grain offering and its drink offering.
Numbers 29:28
and one male goat for a sin offering, besides the continual burnt offering and its grain offering and its drink offering.
Numbers 29:31
and one male goat for a sin offering, besides the continual burnt offering, its grain offering and its drink offerings.
Numbers 29:34
and one male goat for a sin offering, besides the continual burnt offering, its grain offering and its drink offering.
Numbers 29:38
and one male goat for a sin offering, besides the continual burnt offering and its grain offering and its drink offering.
Ezekiel 45:23
"During the seven days of the feast he shall provide as a burnt offering to the LORD seven bulls and seven rams without blemish on every day of the seven days, and a male goat daily for a sin offering.
Numbers 28:30
also one male goat to make atonement for you.
Leviticus 4:28
if his sin which he has committed is made known to him, then he shall bring for his offering a goat, a female without defect, for his sin which he has committed.
Numbers 15:27
'Also if one person sins unintentionally, then he shall offer a one year old female goat for a sin offering.
Ezekiel 43:25
'For seven days you shall prepare daily a goat for a sin offering; also a young bull and a ram from the flock, without blemish, shall be prepared.
Ezekiel 43:22
'On the second day you shall offer a male goat without blemish for a sin offering, and they shall cleanse the altar as they cleansed it with the bull.
This is why religion in on the decline and science is so popular. It's people like you who refuse to accept the Bible is not literal truth. The Bible's message about morality is important is not to be taken out of the historical context in which it was written. Clearly this historical context suggests the Bible was written by men. Men who at the very least were giving their own opinions on what God was saying. Cultists like yourself scare people away from God with your blind and meaningless devotion.

Your problem is you are an idol worship. You worship the words in the Bible like they are little idols. You are not promoting the teachings of Jesus. You are promoting fandom in Jesus. Jesus is just another idol for you. For you, the way to be "saved" is to join Jesus's fan club. I just don't think it works this way. I think the only way to achieve salvation is by getting forgiveness from the people you have sinned against. Just saying magic words or promoting fandom is meaningless.

You are obviously not someone who is capable of thinking for himself. I believe the truth about God comes from within. I don't believe in other people's opinions who are pretending to speak for God. I believe absolute authority comes from within. The truth about God is not "out there". But my way of thinking is not for everyone. It's okay though. It takes a lot of courage to think for yourself. Just go ahead and keep listening to others and you will be fine.

You don't have to respond. Your response is predictable and boring anyway.
 
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dad

Undefeated
So that is baloney, eh?
You can't give me chapter and verse?
You make it up as you go along?
God hated child sacrifices. He also forbade murder. If this is news to you, you should not bring it up in a public debate. And yes, He also created us male and female, as confusing as that may be to some.
 

dad

Undefeated
No.
Really.
Take interest and I'll show you chapter and verse together with historical backgrounds that you obviously never studied.

And I'm not selling you Deism, I'm just offering to show you the true historical Jesus
I've been around the block a few times. Old wives' tales and silly weak bible pratts do not raise any concern for me at all.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Of course they are different people. Why would God use them as marionettes and make them dance the same?
Because, like witnesses, their testimony should co-oberrate!
Oh dear!
You think you know what he was in possession of...how?
Because they are shown in his gospel for me to study!
Jeesh!


You seem to suggest all gospels are in chronological order? Or...?
Now you just need to quote me to display that suggestion.!!!

Have you really studied individually, for yourself? Or were you just indoctrinated?

Individual Investigation beats Institutional Indoctrination!
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
God hated child sacrifices. He also forbade murder. If this is news to you, you should not bring it up in a public debate. And yes, He also created us male and female, as confusing as that may be to some.
You got nothing to show!
What a let down.

And then you wander off in to sexualities.

Shake extremism and it falls apart.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I've been around the block a few times. Old wives' tales and silly weak bible pratts do not raise any concern for me at all.
When you,'re losing you lapse in to insults and verbal abuse.
You're letting yourself down, which doesn't worry me, but you're letting down what I think true Christianity is and that is wrong imo.
 
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