Man Radicalized By BLM Videos Stabs AutoZone Employee 7 Times — Wanted To “Find A White Male To Kill

[Lyndon]

I've thought about it, honestly.

...Recently I've been tinkering with my grandpa's old banjo. Maybe I'll come by one day when my kids get into band at school. I'm not far from Redlands.

thats scary

 

[Revoltingest]

So any video that shows a cop abusing a black person is now a BLM video? How bizarre.

What I find truly disturbing is that there are so very many videos online that show police blatantly abusing people that people can become 'radicalized' by them.

I read it as a "BLM video" in the sense that such videos
drive the movement....not that BLM produces or shows it.
Yes...this description is awkward.
But the radicalizing aspect is pushed by the news media,
who present the inaccurate picture that these shootings
are happening only to black folk & are always unjustified.
It's very blatant race baiting.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, you caught me. I'm a real "far-righty".

...And it’s Cooky with a capital C.

Odd...I remember your former self as moderately right leaning.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you think that a 17 year old young man shooting Black protesters constitutes a hate crime?

Just wondering where your threshold lies there.

The victims are white.
Does that make it not a hate crime?
These Are The Victims Of The Kenosha Protest Shooting | HuffPost

 

[Cooky]

Nope. The fallacy, called the genetic fallacy, occurs when somebody declares that an argument's conclusion is wrong because of its source or author.

There is no fallacy involved to say that a source is not trustworthy, and rather than declare its assertions wrong, one simply isn't interested in information coming from that source.

A classic example was a creationist apologetics source that argued that man could not have come from the same ancestor as the other great apes, since they all have 24 pairs of chromosomes, and man has only three. The author argues that if any 24 chromosome ape simply gave birth to an descendant missing an entire chromosome, that descendant would die, not pass the mutation into the population's gene pool.

The problem here is that important information has been left out, without which it's pretty hard to disagree with the apologist's argument. You can evaluate the essay all you want, and never be able to find the problem in it. You have to do a review of the subject to learn about human chromosome 2

Once one understands the dishonesty of such sites and sources - and we all have dozens of examples of the dishonesty rampant in creationist apologetics, one simply and justifiably refuses to even consider anything from such sources.

Ethos is the term used in the philosophy of argumentation to refer to the way the speaker's audience relates to him apart from his message. Does the source seem knowledgeable? What are his apparent values? Does he seem to have an unstated agenda? Does he seem trustworthy?

These things can damage the effectiveness of a speaker independent of his actual argument (logos). Christian apologetics and apologists fail at all of those. Their agenda is to promote religion, not to spread factual knowledge. They will write whatever they think promotes that agenda, however dishonest. And you won't find many that know the science they condemn. So no, I won't even look at such links.

Conservative news and editorial sites such as the one you cited, En-Volve, suffer from the same problem. What won't Limbaugh or Hannity say if they think that it will convince their audience to support Republicans? So why even read them or listen to them? I don't need to rebut them to simply dismiss them out of hand.

Why is that legitimate? Because nothing that is true is known only to Christian apologists or conservative indoctrinators, meaning that anything that is true can also be found in a more respected news or science source, which I expect my apologist or conservative friends to link to if they want a skeptic to read it. If the claim can only be found on such sites, one can be pretty confident that it is a lie.

How about a point by point rebuttal to the argument above if you have one, or just an admission that you don't if you don't. How about either explaining why the individual points made and supported are either something you agree with, or a rebuttal to them that explains why their supporting arguments are incorrect in your estimation. For example, do you agree that it is not a logical fallacy to reject a site with a reputation for dishonesty? Do you think that something found only on an apologetics site and nowhere else should be trusted?

Please be thorough.

But I'm not actually asking anyone to read the article... I personally clipped an excerpt from that source, that I knew came directly from the Police Department, which was not actually commentary, and was presented separately from any opinions that may have been found at the source by me in this thread... The same excerpt from the Police Department can be found in dozens of other articles from other sources.

...So while I do understand your point, and it would make sense if I were asking people to discuss the commentary presented in the article, I'm simply not. I'm only offering a source as evidence that I didn't make the story up myself.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I read it as a "BLM video" in the sense that such videos
drive the movement....not that BLM produces or shows it.
Yes...this description is awkward.
But the radicalizing aspect is pushed by the news media,
who present the inaccurate picture that these shootings
are happening only to black folk & are always unjustified.
It's very blatant race baiting.

But the radicalizing aspect is pushed by the news media,
who present the inaccurate picture that these shootings
are happening only to black folk & are always unjustified.
It's very blatant race baiting.

Interesting that you reached this conclusion. I watch these videos on YouTube and for the most part they simply depict what happened, without any commentary that it only happens to black people or that police shootings are never justified. In fact there are plenty of videos like this that depict white people being abused by police as well. The blatant execution of that man in an Arizona hotel is a prime example.

 

[Revoltingest]

But the radicalizing aspect is pushed by the news media,
who present the inaccurate picture that these shootings
are happening only to black folk & are always unjustified.
It's very blatant race baiting.

Interesting that you reached this conclusion. I watch these videos on YouTube and for the most part they simply depict what happened, without any commentary that it only happens to black people or that police shootings are never justified. In fact there are plenty of videos like this that depict white people being abused by police as well. The blatant execution of that man in an Arizona hotel is a prime example.

The news media publish the story, setting the tone. With that
story presented, it's their context when they go to the related
videos. The videos of whites being assaulted or shot are far
less visible in national news. They'd have no reason to search
for them.
Justine Damon, the Australian woman who was murdered by
a black cop in Minneapolis is an interesting case. At a protest
in Australia for George Floyd, I recall an interviewer asking
people there if they'd heard of her death. Very few knew of
the fellow Aussie who was shot here. But they knew all about
Floyd.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Not much chance of a follow-up story to this crime. Peaceful protesters burning down cities are not expected to show up....

Probably because the stores are not as valuable for looting them to the bare shelves.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

People been pushing this doomsday nonsense for decades.
At least now most of them have stopped setting dates.
Rather embarrassing when they find out they are completely wrong.
Again...

Way longer. There's copious evidence of such predictions at the turn of the first millenia.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

So really the increasing of lawlessness is causing the coldness in human society.

What does 'human society' mean?

 

[Lyndon]

The news media publish the story, setting the tone. With that
story presented, it's their context when they go to the related
videos. The videos of whites being assaulted or shot are far
less visible in national news. They'd have no reason to search
for them.
Justine Damon, the Australian woman who was murdered by
a black cop in Minneapolis is an interesting case. At a protest
in Australia for George Floyd, I recall an interviewer asking
people there if they'd heard of her death. Very few knew of
the fellow Aussie who was shot here. But they knew all about
Floyd.

nonsense the Justin Damon murder was headline news all over Australia for weeks,, I'm Australian you can't say nonsense like that to me.

 

[Revoltingest]

nonsense the Justin Damon murder was headline news all over Australia for weeks,, I'm Australian you can't pull crxp like that on me.

For an Aussie, you're not all that aware.
George Floyd Protesters Asked About White Woman Killed by Somali Minneapolis Police Officer - American Renaissance
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1269618532792360961?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1269618532792360961|twgr^share_3&ref_url=https://summit.news/2020/06/08/george-floyd-protesters-asked-about-white-woman-killed-by-somali-minneapolis-police-officer/

 

[Lyndon]

Your news source is a right wing propaganda outfit that claims to have interviewed two or three people, give me a break

 

[lewisnotmiller]

“Jayvon Hatchett stabbed an AutoZone employee seven times after watching Facebook videos of police shootings,” local news reported on Facebook, citing Columbus Police Sgt. R.S. Mills’ court testimony. “Hatchett smiles telling Detective he chose white man at random and stabbed him in the neck. Victim’s critical and traumatized by attack according to court testimony.”

Man Radicalized By BLM Videos Stabs AutoZone Employee 7 Times — Wanted To "Find A White Male To Kill"

...So why don't we see CNN or FOX reporting on this? That's what I want to know.

It's a fair question.
I'm more worried about how the justice system treats him (and assuming he's guilty I hope he has the book thrown at him) than the court of public opinion.

With my tongue firmly in my cheek I might suggest that this is still happening in 200 years, we take to the streets and start burning things.

 

[McBell]

Way longer. There's copious evidence of such predictions at the turn of the first millenia.

I suspected as much.
However, I have not done any research beyond my decades....

 

[lewisnotmiller]

For an Aussie, you're not all that aware.
George Floyd Protesters Asked About White Woman Killed by Somali Minneapolis Police Officer - American Renaissance
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1269618532792360961?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1269618532792360961|twgr^share_3&ref_url=https://summit.news/2020/06/08/george-floyd-protesters-asked-about-white-woman-killed-by-somali-minneapolis-police-officer/

Meh, it was all over the news here. It was a very big story.
The fact that uninformed idiots live in Australia is not news, and if you ask 100 people any question, and run the answers that push a point, it's indicative of nothing.

Suffice to say, any person who claimed her death is less important than George Floyd's is a f***ing moron.
If they want to claim the death is indicative of different source issues, then...maybe... I may not agree, but at least it's a coherent point to make.

That story is horrendous, and is more evidence of the requirement for better police training. And for police unions to be dismantled, and qualified immunity to be completely rethought.

Incidentally, there were protest marches at the time, and the Police Chief of Minneapolis Police Department was asked to resign by the Mayor (and did so).
The officer was charged, and found guilty of third degree murder. The sentence was criticized here, but there was some level of repercussion.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I suspected as much.
However, I have not done any research beyond my decades....

It's easy enough to find all through history, but I quite enjoyed 'Millennium', by Tom Holland.

 

[Revoltingest]

Meh, it was all over the news here. It was a very big story.
The fact that uninformed idiots live in Australia is not news, and if you ask 100 people any question, and run the answers that push a point, it's indicative of nothing.

Suffice to say, any person who claimed her death is less important than George Floyd's is a f***ing moron.
If they want to claim the death is indicative of different source issues, then...maybe... I may not agree, but at least it's a coherent point to make.

That story is horrendous, and is more evidence of the requirement for better police training. And for police unions to be dismantled, and qualified immunity to be completely rethought.

Incidentally, there were protest marches at the time, and the Police Chief of Minneapolis Police Department was asked to resign by the Mayor (and did so).
The officer was charged, and found guilty of third degree murder. The sentence was criticized here, but there was some level of repercussion.

I'm not saying that her death was never covered.
But white deaths receive less coverage.

Police reform is going to be a long & messy process
with some failed attempts. I just hope that it happens.

 

[Tambourine]

@Cooky
So have you already found out in what way this person is supposedly connected to BLM and leftist politics, because I haven't found out anything of the sort and the article isn't very clear on that, either.

 

[BSM1]

@Cooky
So have you already found out in what way this person is supposedly connected to BLM and leftist politics, because I haven't found out anything of the sort and the article isn't very clear on that, either.

Why all Blacks are members of the BLM...oh, wait...that's all Whites are racists....my bad.