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Manliness in the Movies

Burning Giraffe

Burning Giraffe

Member
JohnWayne in McLintock! was a brilliant demonstration of manliness in every way. Fred Astaire in Top Hot was fantastic. Clark Gable in Capra's It Happened One Night was priceless. I just can't get enough of those classic male portrayals. Today it seems that a Man has to either kill fifty people or sexually slay every female he runs into in order to "be a man". Honor and Virtue seemed to have been lost in the modern movie lexicon. I don't see how violence and selfishness define masculinity but it seems that is the way men are viewing manhood these days, at least vicariously. In their own lives, it seems men are lost in the confusing morass of relativistic, valueless moralities in fashion among the intuitively submissive and self-sacrificing, and yet, somehow these "men" still enjoy watching explosions and murders. Strange.
 
cardero

cardero

Citizen Mod
I was watching that commentary to Beyond The Valley Of the Dolls by screenwriter and movie critic Roger Ebert and he was explaining how the director Russ Meyers (pbuh) used the women in his movies to emasculate and dominate the male roles in his picture. How refreshing and interesting to see a reversal of social stereotypes and to demonstrate men as objects instead of the women. I think this technique was what originally attracted me to Meyer's (pbuh) films.
 
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Ulver

Active Member
John Wayne in The Quiet Man. A great movie!

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Burning Giraffe

Burning Giraffe

Member
cardero said:
I was watching that commentary to Beyond The Valley Of the Dolls by screenwriter and movie critic Roger Ebert and he was explaining how the director Russ Meyers (pbuh) used the women in his movies to emasculate and dominate the male roles in his picture. How refreshing and interesting to see a reversal of social stereotypes and to demonstrate men as objects instead of the women. I think this technique was what originally attracted me to Meyer's (pbuh) films.
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lol That sounds kind of silly to me, but ok. :)
 
The Voice of Reason

The Voice of Reason

Doctor of Thinkology
cardero said:
I was watching that commentary to Beyond The Valley Of the Dolls by screenwriter and movie critic Roger Ebert and he was explaining how the director Russ Meyers (pbuh) used the women in his movies to emasculate and dominate the male roles in his picture. How refreshing and interesting to see a reversal of social stereotypes and to demonstrate men as objects instead of the women. I think this technique was what originally attracted me to Meyer's (pbuh) films.
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Patrick -

At the sound of being totally ignorant, what does (PBUH) mean?
 
rheff78

rheff78

I'm your huckleberry.
If you're looking for a manly man in movies with quiet confidence and the need to not kill everyone in sight you need look no further than Gregory Peck as Atticus Finch in To Kill a Mockingbird.
 
rheff78

rheff78

I'm your huckleberry.
OH yea.

Holiday: You, music lover, you're next.
Thug: You're the drunk piano player, in fact you're so drunk, you're probably seeing double.
Holiday: Well, I have two guns, one for each of ya.
 
Burning Giraffe

Burning Giraffe

Member
rheff78 said:
OH yea.

Holiday: You, music lover, you're next.
Thug: You're the drunk piano player, in fact you're so drunk, you're probably seeing double.
Holiday: Well, I have two guns, one for each of ya.
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I loved his loyalty and his unwillingness to let his closest friend engage in a fight he could not win.
 
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Random

Well-Known Member
Burning Giraffe said:
JohnWayne in McLintock! was a brilliant demonstration of manliness in every way. Fred Astaire in Top Hot was fantastic. Clark Gable in Capra's It Happened One Night was priceless. I just can't get enough of those classic male portrayals. Today it seems that a Man has to either kill fifty people or sexually slay every female he runs into in order to "be a man". Honor and Virtue seemed to have been lost in the modern movie lexicon. I don't see how violence and selfishness define masculinity but it seems that is the way men are viewing manhood these days, at least vicariously. In their own lives, it seems men are lost in the confusing morass of relativistic, valueless moralities in fashion among the intuitively submissive and self-sacrificing, and yet, somehow these "men" still enjoy watching explosions and murders. Strange.
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Rubbish.

I am an honourable and virtuous man by discipline, but also capably selfish and violent if challenged by another. That is nature, that is justice. Do not put the Lord your God to the test, as the saying goes...

Hollywood movies, new or old, are about the worst templates one could use to evaluate real Manhood. Hollywood peddles fantasy for money, and therefore anything you think it can tell you about yourself, your sexuality or your nature is a lie (and you have allowed yourself to be wilfully decieved).

John Wayne's portrayals of Manhood on-screen were riddled with covert misogyny, chauvanism, egomania, sublime emotional cowardice and psychopathy.

In real life, he was apparently no saint either.
 
Burning Giraffe

Burning Giraffe

Member
Random said:
Rubbish.

I am an honourable and virtuous man by discipline, but also capably selfish and violent if challenged by another. That is nature, that is justice. Do not put the Lord your God to the test, as the saying goes...

Hollywood movies, new or old, are about the worst templates one could use to evaluate real Manhood. Hollywood peddles fantasy for money, and therefore anything you think it can tell you about yourself, your sexuality or your nature is a lie (and you have allowed yourself to be wilfully decieved).

John Wayne's portrayals of Manhood on-screen were riddled with covert misogyny, chauvanism, egomania, sublime emotional cowardice and psychopathy.

In real life, he was apparently no saint either.
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I think maybe you are confusing the concepts of analogy to that of a literal portrayal. That aside, I think you also may have misremembered (to coin Roger Clemens) John Wayne's characters.
 
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