Many many Chariot wheels found at bottom of Red sea.

[Subduction Zone]

Jacob is Semitic . He was a descendant of Shem. Specifically, it’s a Hebrew name! Learn what Jacob means… you’ll see it’s unique.

Horn of Africa lol.

LOL! Sorry, you lose when you refer to clear myths in the Bible. But yes, Jacob is a Semitic name too since Hebrew is a Semitic language. But there are many other Semitic languages too. That is a common name across them. And why did you laugh at the Horn of Africa? Were you boasting about your ignorance again?

 

[shunyadragon]

I corrected him.

No, you did not correct me. There may be some misunderstanding on your part and exaggerating the importance of the Silver Scrolls. Yes the Silver scrolls are dated about the time of the return of the Hebrews in ~539 BCE The scrolls date to about ~600 BCE. My point is there are absolutely no known Pentateuch text or any other Hebrew text before 800 to 600 BCE. This is the period of the development of the Paleo Hebrew/Canaanite text which evolved into Hebrew after 600 BCE.

How did you correct me beyond these historical facts?

Ketef Hinnom scrolls - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Ketef Hinnom scrolls, also described as Ketef Hinnom amulets, are the oldest surviving texts currently known from the Hebrew Bible, dated to c. 600 BCE.[2] The text, written in the Paleo-Hebrew script (not the Babylonian square letters of the modern Hebrew alphabet, more familiar to most modern readers), is from the Book of Numbers in the Hebrew Bible,

 

[Valjean]

I have something better than evidence from men. I have faith in God.

How is unwarranted belief better than evidence?

 

[Valjean]

We are at the last days of the last days. It won't be much longer.

Again: Source? Evidence?
You keep preaching and making unevidenced claims.
Every generation predicts the imminent end of days. Jesus predicted it within the lifetime of His auditors. We're still waiting.

 

[Valjean]

Yes, there is…. for the Bible.
The historical aspects of the Bible have been supported by unearthed evidence time & time again!

But you knew that right, right?

No. You are wrong here. Most Biblical stories are hearsay at best. Many would surely have left objective evidence and third party commentary -- but there is none.

Like which ones?

Noah's flood. Plagues of Egypt. Israelites in Egypt. The exodus, Forty years in the desert. Worldwide census. -- and these are just claims that would have left clear evidence had they actually happened.

Should be, yes.

So why believe the unevidenced or poorly evidenced over the well-evidenced?

What, for example?

Speaking things into existence. Breathing life into things.

Your claims that ‘evolutionary processes can eventually build complex cellular machinery such as the bacterial flagellum’, hasn’t been observed…. But that doesn’t keep you from believing it, does it?

Your claims of magic haven't been observed, and the irreducible complexity of the flagellum has been shown to be quite reducible.

And the “evidence” for such naturalism is not objective, it’s biased; Behe’s stressed this point many times.

The evidence is entirely objective, unlike Behe's claim of magic.

 

[Valjean]

I am interested. All my beliefs are based on scripture, And I don't believe in hell, The truth is the only thing that is important.

Why do you believe in scripture?
Aren't there alternative scriptures claiming all kinds of alternative stories? Aren't the Christian scriptures largely apocryphal? Aren't the Christian scriptures highly edited and altered? Aren't most of the miraculous claims just much repeated hearsay? Aren't many of the stories clearly false?
Why do you believe these scriptures and not the Sikh, Hindu, Muslim or Mayan scriptures?

Why do you not accept the well-evidenced, tested scientific scriptures?

 

[servant1]

No, if your words were facts you could support them. You have not been able to do so rationally.

Can you answer one simple question: Does God lie?

No God does not lie. Its your believing lies of men that influences your thinking against God.

 

[servant1]

Trump does not have two horns nor does he have seven heads.

Trump isn't either one of those beasts. All who know how Daniel interprets parts of revelation know world powers were given the mark of a beast in Daniel.

 

[servant1]

Again: Source? Evidence?
You keep preaching and making unevidenced claims.
Every generation predicts the imminent end of days. Jesus predicted it within the lifetime of His auditors. We're still waiting.

I already said-The 7 headed beast and 2 horned beast of Rev 13 had to be in place, they have been for many years now.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No God does not lie. Its your believing lies of men that influences your thinking against God.

Ease up there you are now breaking the Ninth Commandment. I know that you have to keep yourself ignorant of reality to defend your religious beliefs, but that does not make your religious beliefs real. In fact I can show that when it comes to your beliefs you are a hypocrite. Far far more often than you realize. If you understood the sciences you could see that one cannot read Genesis literally. One is actually claiming that God is a liar to say that stories such as the Noah's Ark myth are true when one does that. The scientific evidence against the flood is so strong that it could only be true if God planted endless false evidence and planting false evidence is a form of lying.

But sadly, you keep yourself ignorant of the sciences to maintain your beliefs where you actually call God a liar. And to add on to your sins you regularly profit from the sciences that you deny. You use the internet. You drive your car. You consume food grown with modern agriculture.

Your beliefs and acts do not agree with each other.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Trump isn't either one of those beasts. All who know how Daniel interprets parts of revelation know world powers were given the mark of a beast in Daniel.

No, Daniel fails as prophecy because there are multiple interpretations of it. That make it an invalid prophecy. It cannot be one since no one can properly justify their claims. You are disqualified almost immediately since you, as I just pointed out, cannot be consistent in your reasoning.

 

[Audie]

How is unwarranted belief better than evidence?

Don’t have to study or think?
Plus you can be sanctimonious?
And infallible.

 

[servant1]

No, Daniel fails as prophecy because there are multiple interpretations of it. That make it an invalid prophecy. It cannot be one since no one can properly justify their claims. You are disqualified almost immediately since you, as I just pointed out, cannot be consistent in your reasoning.

I don't care how many interpretations there are. There is one truth interpretation. And anyone who can understand English clearly sees the world powers mentioned in Daniel were all given the mark of a beast. Thus the beasts mentioned in Rev 13= world powers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't care how many interpretations there are. There is one truth interpretation. And anyone who can understand English clearly sees the world powers mentioned in Daniel were all given the mark of a beast. Thus the beasts mentioned in Rev 13= world powers.

Then why do so few Christians agree with you? Here is the problem, if you cannot clearly justify all of your interpretations you are problem wrong. Others before you have been just as sure as you are or even more sure. They claimed that the "end was near" all of them have been shown to be wrong to date.

Once again, overly vague prophecies are automatically failed prophecies. Even if some sort of end comes that does not confirm the prophecy since it failed so many times before.

 

[shunyadragon]

Trump isn't either one of those beasts. All who know how Daniel interprets parts of revelation know world powers were given the mark of a beast in Daniel.

Nonetheless T Rump is a beast.

 

[GoodAttention]

LOL! Sorry, you lose when you refer to clear myths in the Bible. But yes, Jacob is a Semitic name too since Hebrew is a Semitic language. But there are many other Semitic languages too. That is a common name across them. And why did you laugh at the Horn of Africa? Were you boasting about your ignorance again?

Since you mentioned Western Asia...

Jacob/Yakob

யா​

yā interrog. pron. What or which things; யாவை. பெண்ணிற் பெருந்தக்க யாவுள(குறள், 54).

கப்பு​

kappu n. cf. கம்பு 1. Forked branch; கவர்கொம்பு. (பிங்.) 2. Branch, bough;கிளை. 3. Cleavage, cleft; பிளவு கப்புடைநாவினாகர் (கம்பரா. எதிர் 2). 4. Small pillar, post;சிறுதூண். (J.) 5. Shoulder; தோள் கப்பா லாயர்கள் காவிற் கொணர்ந்த (திவ். பெரியாழ். 3, 1, 5). 6.Support, refuge; ஆதாரம் ரக்ஷ்யரக்ஷகபாவம் தன்கப்பிலே கிடக்கும் (்ரீவசன. 244). 7. That which draws unto itself; கவர்ச்சி கப்பின்றா மீசன் கழல்(சி. போ 11, 5, வெண் ).


Esau I have also translated, but I think I will stop here..

 

[Valjean]

I already said-The 7 headed beast and 2 horned beast of Rev 13 had to be in place, they have been for many years now.

So Jesus missed it, and Christians for 2,000 years have missed the signs, which you just noticed now?
What are these multi-headed and two horned beasts, and how would a multi-headed beast have evolved?

Q: Why do you believe Revelation is an authoritative scripture? As I understand it, Revelation wasn't voted in like the rest of the canon, but got included at a whim of a pope.

 

[Audie]

Ease up there you are now breaking the Ninth Commandment. I know that you have to keep yourself ignorant of reality to defend your religious beliefs, but that does not make your religious beliefs real. In fact I can show that when it comes to your beliefs you are a hypocrite. Far far more often than you realize. If you understood the sciences you could see that one cannot read Genesis literally. One is actually claiming that God is a liar to say that stories such as the Noah's Ark myth are true when one does that. The scientific evidence against the flood is so strong that it could only be true if God planted endless false evidence and planting false evidence is a form of lying.

But sadly, you keep yourself ignorant of the sciences to maintain your beliefs where you actually call God a liar. And to add on to your sins you regularly profit from the sciences that you deny. You use the internet. You drive your car. You consume food grown with modern agriculture.

Your beliefs and acts do not agree with each other.

Very few educated people hold to such wonky views.
Those who do tend to be uneducable.

 

[shunyadragon]

No God does not lie. Its your believing lies of men that influences your thinking against God.

Yes God does not lie, but believers clinging to ancient tribal religions lie based n intentional ignorance.

 

[shunyadragon]

Since you mentioned Western Asia...

Jacob/Yakob

யா​

yā interrog. pron. What or which things; யாவை. பெண்ணிற் பெருந்தக்க யாவுள(குறள், 54).

கப்பு​

kappu n. cf. கம்பு 1. Forked branch; கவர்கொம்பு. (பிங்.) 2. Branch, bough;கிளை. 3. Cleavage, cleft; பிளவு கப்புடைநாவினாகர் (கம்பரா. எதிர் 2). 4. Small pillar, post;சிறுதூண். (J.) 5. Shoulder; தோள் கப்பா லாயர்கள் காவிற் கொணர்ந்த (திவ். பெரியாழ். 3, 1, 5). 6.Support, refuge; ஆதாரம் ரக்ஷ்யரக்ஷகபாவம் தன்கப்பிலே கிடக்கும் (்ரீவசன. 244). 7. That which draws unto itself; கவர்ச்சி கப்பின்றா மீசன் கழல்(சி. போ 11, 5, வெண் ).


Esau I have also translated, but I think I will stop here..

I remain puzzled why you emphasis similarity of names and other words across regions and cultures as meaningful.