Many many Chariot wheels found at bottom of Red sea.

[servant1]

No, the Bible fails again and again and again. If God gave you a mind you should be able to use it. You seem to be rejecting the gifts that you claim that God gave you. Your beliefs are inconsistent.

Your lack of bible knowledge is what fails.

 

[servant1]

Now it sounds as if you are saying that Jesus was incompetent and immoral. Why would you make such a claim?

I never said either thing you claim in your twisted reasonings.

 

[Valjean]

Your lack of bible knowledge is what fails.

Your lack of bible authority or verification is what fails. Until you have these you're citing unevidenced folklore.

 

[River Sea]

red sea

How come not blue sea

 

[Subduction Zone]

I never said either thing you claim in your twisted reasonings.

We could go over how you did.

 

[shunyadragon]

Once again I am confused at your statements. You said -

(1) Tamil is the root of the Indus Valley - by this I interpret you agree that this could date this language up to 3000BCE

(2) Language is spread by trade - You did not deny evidence that suggests the Mesopotamian civilizations such as Sumer traded with the Indus Valley Civilization

Of course not, but the first written language associated with trade is Sumerian dating to 3400 BCE The oldest Tamil writing is 5th century BCE.

(3) Semitic languages have root in Sumerian.

Adding on to the evidence which also suggests the IVC traded with Egypt and now we basically get a picture that the Tamil was basically everywhere.

No, the origin of languages begins in the Southern Eurasian Steppes and goes East and West. The Tamil is ONLY the root language of Southeast Asia and India region and it is very late, 5th century BCE, in terms of a written language associated with trade.. Trade explains any similarities in word and names.

The first writing is and is likely the root of languages East and West from the Tigris Euphrates Valley Sumerian is more likely everywhere as the root written language beginning at 3400 BCE,

If you disagree with my translations show me where they fail? I challenge you to do so.

It is not the translations it is your conclusions, If anything the trade routes developed in the Central Eurasia Middle East and and spread Est and West from there,

Now the 4.2ky event is a SPECIFIC point in time.

No it is not. It is part of the Climate Chane going back to the end of the last glaciation,

Making a general statement that it was just a part of climate change and migrations minimizes completely the significance of why scientists choose this time period.

No

Note it is DEFINED by when it happened, and whilst it is part of a period change in climate as you say, it is nevertheless significant in history. Have you considered the history of the Repeller of the Amorites wall?

I also never said Peleg was related somehow to the Tower of Babel, I specifically said he lived “when the Earth was divided”. In fact this “division” is during his lifetime which is just under 300 years.

The answer Biblically it is related to the mythology of Genesis and the tower of Babel,

This correlates very closely to -

(a) When the 4.2ky event starts and there is an acute drop in the population of the Fertile Northern Crescent

Due to drought of the region, different populations in the regions in the Middle East fluctuated with changing climate going back the end of the Ice Age, The overwhelming greatest event was the desertification of the Sahara leading to the migration into the Nile River and beginning the civilization.

It isa puzzle why you think the 4,2 K event has anything to do with the Indus River Valley, since the climatic response to the end of the last Ice Age was very different.

(b) When this population starts to recover 200-300 years later.

It is not that simple according to your source.

 

[shunyadragon]

How come not blue sea

. . . because it was named for the common toxic red times and red bacteria blooms.

 

[GoodAttention]

Of course not, but the first written language associated with trade is Sumerian dating to 3400 BCE The oldest Tamil writing is 5th century BCE.

Written language? You understand this is completely different to language that was spoken yes? Most scholars consider the IVC script to be "Proto-Dravidian".

No, the origin of languages begins in the Southern Eurasian Steppes and goes East and West. The Tamil is ONLY the root language of Southeast Asia and India region and it is very late, 5th century BCE, in terms of a written language associated with trade.. Trade explains any similarities in word and names.

The first writing is and is likely the root of languages East and West from the Tigris Euphrates Valley Sumerian is more likely everywhere as the root written language beginning at 3400 BCE,

So Sumerian could indeed be the root to both the Indus language and Hebrew, so how do you conclude that Tamil cannot be connected to Hebrew through a Sumerian root?

It is not the translations it is your conclusions, If anything the trade routes developed in the Central Eurasia Middle East and and spread Est and West from there,

No it is not. It is part of the Climate Chane going back to the end of the last glaciation,

No

The answer Biblically it is related to the mythology of Genesis and the tower of Babel,

Due to drought of the region, different populations in the regions in the Middle East fluctuated with changing climate going back the end of the Ice Age, The overwhelming greatest event was the desertification of the Sahara leading to the migration into the Nile River and beginning the civilization.

It isa puzzle why you think the 4,2 K event has anything to do with the Indus River Valley, since the climatic response to the end of the last Ice Age was very different.

I am concluding the years circe 2200BCE-1900BCE was important enough on population groups that it required them to move. The documentation and modelling both suggest the change in the climate was worldwide. This is the understanding according to science.

The desertification of the Sahara and Arabian deserts is described differently as part of the African Humid Period which occurred thousands of years earlier. It is what drove humans to establish civilizations along river systems, hence giving us the 3 ancient civilizations, being the Egyptian, Sumerian, and Indus Valley. It also preceeds the 4.2ky event period, and sits somewhere between it and the flooding of the Persian Gulf.

I said earlier you are applying a macroscopic lens. We should look at what the science tells us, and apply it to the areas and timelines we are discussing. I believe that it is not illogical to consider that people would move towards "greener pastures" when the climate changes, and that they would also move to centers of large population groups.

It is not that simple according to your source.

Of course not.

However I am making interpretations and inferences from what is told to us by science, and what is written in Hebrew scriptures.

You can choose to dismiss the scriptures as mythology, which is fine. But I choose not to.

 

[Audie]

Written language? You understand this is completely different to language that was spoken yes? Most scholars consider the IVC script to be "Proto-Dravidian".



So Sumerian could indeed be the root to both the Indus language and Hebrew, so how do you conclude that Tamil cannot be connected to Hebrew through a Sumerian root?



I am concluding the years circe 2200BCE-1900BCE was important enough on population groups that it required them to move. The documentation and modelling both suggest the change in the climate was worldwide. This is the understanding according to science.

The desertification of the Sahara and Arabian deserts is described differently as part of the African Humid Period which occurred thousands of years earlier. It is what drove humans to establish civilizations along river systems, hence giving us the 3 ancient civilizations, being the Egyptian, Sumerian, and Indus Valley. It also preceeds the 4.2ky event period, and sits somewhere between it and the flooding of the Persian Gulf.

I said earlier you are applying a macroscopic lens. We should look at what the science tells us, and apply it to the areas and timelines we are discussing. I believe that it is not illogical to consider that people would move towards "greener pastures" when the climate changes, and that they would also move to centers of large population groups.



Of course not.

However I am making interpretations and inferences from what is told to us by science, and what is written in Hebrew scriptures.

You can choose to dismiss the scriptures as mythology, which is fine. But I choose not to.

Exactly. You choose to believe.
Perhaps, wrongly accused before a jury of choosers
you will at length see the error.

 

[shunyadragon]

Written language? You understand this is completely different to language that was spoken yes? Most scholars consider the IVC script to be "Proto-Dravidian".

Proto-Davidian is defined as the origin of languages in India and Southeast Asia, and NOT the Middle East languages. Do you realize the origin of many of the aspects of spoken language is centered in the Southern Central Steppes of Asia.

Nonetheless

So Sumerian could indeed be the root to both the Indus l anguage and Hebrew, so how do you conclude that Tamil cannot be connected to Hebrew through a Sumerian root?

I believe to a degree spoken languages evolved naturally independently regionally and truly ancient including Sanskrit and Tamil in Southern Asia, The origin of the evolution of spoken language is much older and influenced by trade going back to the Neolithic..

Indo-European languages - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Where did Indo-European languages originate?

The geographical location where it was spoken, the Proto-Indo-European homeland, has been the object of many competing hypotheses; the academic consensus supports the Kurgan hypothesis, which posits the homeland to be the Pontic–Caspian steppe in what is now Ukraine and southern Russia, associated with the Yamnaya ...

Tamil is dominant in Southern India and is a much younger written language.

There is no evidence that Sanskrit and Tamil are the origin of Middle Eastern languages. Translation and similarities in words and names can go both ways as a result of trade going back to the Neolithic,

I am concluding the years circe 2200BCE-1900BCE was important enough on population groups that it required them to move.

True, but as far as what you call the 4.2 K event movement and migration was within the Middle East s per your reference and other sources. I can cite.

The documentation and modelling both suggest the change in the climate was worldwide. This is the understanding according to science.

True, mybe but different in different regions of the world. Southeast Asia was to a degree isolated from Climate Change due to largest mountain ranges in the eorld.

The desertification of the Sahara and Arabian deserts is described differently as part of the African Humid Period which occurred thousands of years earlier. It is what drove humans to establish civilizations along river systems, hence giving us the 3 ancient civilizations, being the Egyptian, Sumerian, and Indus Valley. It also preceeds the 4.2ky event period, and sits somewhere between it and the flooding of the Persian Gulf.

ALL part of the post glacial Climate Change. There is absolutely to evidence that the migration and population changes in the Middle East extended beyond the Middle East and Asia Minor.

I said earlier you are applying a macroscopic lens.

I DO NIOT DO THAT. Your problem is you are using selective inconclusive evidence to justify the Tamil as the origin of all languages, It is specific that the language tree of the Tamil ONLY applies to Southern Asia. There is also the problem of a religious agenda on your part.

We should look at what the science tells us, and apply it to the areas and timelines we are discussing.

True and I do that. The timeline most definitely traces the origin of spoken language structure and vocabulary originates in the Southern Steppes of Central Asia, and written languages originated in the Tigris Euphrates Valley

I believe that it is not illogical to consider that people would move towards "greener pastures" when the climate changes, and that they would also move to centers of large population groups.

True but as far as the Middle East migration and changes in population waa within the Middle East as per your reference,

Of course not.

However I am making interpretations and inferences from what is told to us by science, and what is written in Hebrew scriptures.

I consider science first and not scripture without provenance as you are doing.

You can choose to dismiss the scriptures as mythology, which is fine. But I choose not to.

I go by the facts of the origin of the Pentateuch as compiled after 600 BCE largely based on Canaanite/Phoenician, Sumerian, and Babylonian far more ancient text and yes ancient mythology.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I am not clueless--I have watched for years man misuse science and math. They have destroyed the Ozone layer, Polluted Gods air, land and water thus our food as well. They are selling us cancer. All for the almighty dollar over life of mankind. They know its being done, to stop it would destroy economy's, they wont do it. But thank God he will step in soon and bring to ruin those ruining the earth. Jesus will bring Gods kingdom rule here at Rev 19:11-The whole earth will live by its power. Gods kingdom will be a cure all=science and math used with precision to benefit mankind=forever.

Science has also IMPROVED the lives of millions.

The overall outlook for children and adolescents with cancer has improved greatly over the last half-century. In the mid-1970s, 58% of children (ages 0 to 14 years) and 68% of adolescents (ages 15 to 19 years) diagnosed with cancer survived at least 5 years (2). In 2013–2019, 5-year survival was 83.2% for children younger than 1 year, 87.8% for children ages 1–4 years, 85.7% for children ages 5–9 years, 85.5% for children ages 10–14 years, and 87.3% for adolescents ages 15–19 years.​

​

Although the 5-year survival rates for most childhood cancers have improved in recent decades, the improvement has been especially dramatic for a few cancers, particularly acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL), the most common childhood cancer. Improved treatments for ALL introduced beginning in the 1960s and 1970s raised the 5-year survival rate for children diagnosed with this disease from 57% in 1975 to 92.3% in 2014–2020. The 5-year survival rate for children diagnosed with non-Hodgkin lymphoma also increased dramatically, from 43% in 1975 to 91.4% in 2014–2020.​

​

The cancer mortality rate—the number of deaths due to cancer per 100,000 people per year—among children and adolescents younger than 20 years declined by more than 50% from 1975 to 2022. It dropped from 5.1 per 100,000 children and adolescents in 1975 to 2.2 per 100,000 children and adolescents in 2022.​

​

Cancer in Children and Adolescents

A fact sheet that provides statistics about childhood and adolescent cancers in the United States, and discusses the types, causes, and treatment of these cancers.

www.cancer.gov

 

[Wandering Monk]

The true religion obeys Jesus.

MAGA Jesus:

 

[servant1]

Science has also IMPROVED the lives of millions.

The overall outlook for children and adolescents with cancer has improved greatly over the last half-century. In the mid-1970s, 58% of children (ages 0 to 14 years) and 68% of adolescents (ages 15 to 19 years) diagnosed with cancer survived at least 5 years (2). In 2013–2019, 5-year survival was 83.2% for children younger than 1 year, 87.8% for children ages 1–4 years, 85.7% for children ages 5–9 years, 85.5% for children ages 10–14 years, and 87.3% for adolescents ages 15–19 years.​

​

Although the 5-year survival rates for most childhood cancers have improved in recent decades, the improvement has been especially dramatic for a few cancers, particularly acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL), the most common childhood cancer. Improved treatments for ALL introduced beginning in the 1960s and 1970s raised the 5-year survival rate for children diagnosed with this disease from 57% in 1975 to 92.3% in 2014–2020. The 5-year survival rate for children diagnosed with non-Hodgkin lymphoma also increased dramatically, from 43% in 1975 to 91.4% in 2014–2020.​

​

The cancer mortality rate—the number of deaths due to cancer per 100,000 people per year—among children and adolescents younger than 20 years declined by more than 50% from 1975 to 2022. It dropped from 5.1 per 100,000 children and adolescents in 1975 to 2.2 per 100,000 children and adolescents in 2022.​

​

Cancer in Children and Adolescents

A fact sheet that provides statistics about childhood and adolescent cancers in the United States, and discusses the types, causes, and treatment of these cancers.

www.cancer.gov

Recent write ups say there is a large increase in Colon cancer and breast cancer in people under 50. Its become a major business. If they stopped selling it to us and stopped polluting everything that would be the improvement all need.

 

[servant1]

MAGA Jesus:


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There is no maga Jesus.

 

[Audie]

Science has also IMPROVED the lives of millions.

The overall outlook for children and adolescents with cancer has improved greatly over the last half-century. In the mid-1970s, 58% of children (ages 0 to 14 years) and 68% of adolescents (ages 15 to 19 years) diagnosed with cancer survived at least 5 years (2). In 2013–2019, 5-year survival was 83.2% for children younger than 1 year, 87.8% for children ages 1–4 years, 85.7% for children ages 5–9 years, 85.5% for children ages 10–14 years, and 87.3% for adolescents ages 15–19 years.​

​

Although the 5-year survival rates for most childhood cancers have improved in recent decades, the improvement has been especially dramatic for a few cancers, particularly acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL), the most common childhood cancer. Improved treatments for ALL introduced beginning in the 1960s and 1970s raised the 5-year survival rate for children diagnosed with this disease from 57% in 1975 to 92.3% in 2014–2020. The 5-year survival rate for children diagnosed with non-Hodgkin lymphoma also increased dramatically, from 43% in 1975 to 91.4% in 2014–2020.​

​

The cancer mortality rate—the number of deaths due to cancer per 100,000 people per year—among children and adolescents younger than 20 years declined by more than 50% from 1975 to 2022. It dropped from 5.1 per 100,000 children and adolescents in 1975 to 2.2 per 100,000 children and adolescents in 2022.​

​

Cancer in Children and Adolescents

A fact sheet that provides statistics about childhood and adolescent cancers in the United States, and discusses the types, causes, and treatment of these cancers.

www.cancer.gov

A year two in, say, Poland around the year 900
and if our friend survived he’d whistle a diff tune.

 

[Soandso]

There is no maga Jesus.

There is in America

 

[Wandering Monk]

 

[Soandso]

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There's a part of me that wants to put on the most ridiculous maga themed stuff I can wear, hold a giant maga themed Jesus on a crucifix, and just yell out "hell yeah, brother!" at one of those rallies

 

[Audie]

There's a part of me that wants to put on the most ridiculous maga themed stuff I can wear, hold a giant maga themed Jesus on a crucifix, and just yell out "hell yeah, brother!" at one of those rallies

I’d never have imagined the USA brought so low
as to have two such absurd characters running for
president.

 

[Soandso]

I’d never have imagined the USA brought so low
as to have two such absurd characters running for
president.

The USA is a big country... It's unimaginable when I compare these politica to the local politics of my neck of the woods, but the rest of the country tends to be a little more on the crazy side than where I live