Marmosets call each other by name.

[IndigoChild5559]

This is another one of my "Look how these animals are like humans. Coolness! Sounds like we are related" sort of things.

"Marmosets use unique calls for other monkeys in their family groups, similar to how humans call each other by name. They are the first non-human primates known to do so. This discovery shows that communication in marmosets is more complex than previously thought, and it could help teach us more about how human language evolved....This initial analysis also suggests that family members use similar identifying labels for the same monkey as if it were a designation distinct to them, like their personal name, and not just vague identifying information."

Marmosets seem to call each other by name

Marmosets are the first non-human primates shown to use personalised signifiers to refer to each other – the discovery could help us better understand how language evolved

www.newscientist.com

 

[Pawpatrol]

Well they're monkeys. I'm not really surprised.

On no way does that make me think I came from a monkey.

 

[ChristineM]

Well they're monkeys. I'm not really surprised.

On no way does that make me think I came from a monkey.

Is an ape like creature ok then?

 

[Pawpatrol]

Is an ape like creature ok then?

No, nothing like that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well they're monkeys. I'm not really surprised.

On no way does that make me think I came from a monkey.

You might not like this: You still are a monkey. There was no point in our evolution when our ancestors stopped being monkeys.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, nothing like that.

It appears that reality bothers you. One thing that many people do not understand is that there is no "change in kind" in evolution. Once you belong to a family you and your descendants will all belong to it. Odds are that you will admit to being a member of even a larger group. Do you admit to being a mammal? If not I have some news for you. Do you admit to having four limbs? That puts you in an even larger group? How about a backbone? Do you have one of those?

 

[Pawpatrol]

You might not like this: You still are a monkey. There was no point in our evolution when our ancestors stopped being monkeys.

I don't mind your words at all. But, while you might feel some sense of communion with monkeys, I do not. I was created by Allah and the first man was Adam. We are Adam's descendants and, though you might not like this, so are you.

 

[Pawpatrol]

It appears that reality bothers you. One thing that many people do not understand is that there is no "change in kind" in evolution. Once you belong to a family you and your descendants will all belong to it. Odds are that you will admit to being a member of even a larger group. Do you admit to being a mammal? If not I have some news for you. Do you admit to having four limbs? That puts you in an even larger group? How about a backbone? Do you have one of those?

I'm not sure that where this is going is worth my time. I don't believe that I evolved from monkeys.

What you think of me thinking that is not of any concern to me. And as for you thinking you are related to monkeys, I don't mind at all. I feel kind of bad for you, but then I only have so much time to think about it.

 

[ChristineM]

No, nothing like that.

Ahh, so are you bird, reptile, amphibian, invertebrate or fish?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well they're monkeys. I'm not really surprised.

On no way does that make me think I came from a monkey.

Well that's because you're on a genetic branch that went in our direction, but those monkeys are definitely our evoultionary related cousins. If the planet is still around eventually they'll probably be sapient.

 

[ChristineM]

Well that's because you're on a genetic branch that went in our direction, but those monkeys are definitely our evoultionary related cousins. If the planet is still around eventually they'll probably be sapient.

Some apes (and other animals) use tools putting them into their version of the early stone age

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I don't mind your words at all. But, while you might feel some sense of communion with monkeys, I do not. I was created by Allah and the first man was Adam. We are Adam's descendants and, though you might not like this, so are you.

The difference being that Subduction Zone's claim is supported by actual evidence, and your claim is merely something you read in a religious text.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Well they're monkeys. I'm not really surprised.

On no way does that make me think I came from a monkey.

You didn't come from a monkey -- your parents were human. Once again, your comment shows just how badly many people understand evolution. Strange, really, because it isn't really hard at all -- at least the basics.

 

[The Hammer]

I'm not sure that where this is going is worth my time. I don't believe that I evolved from monkeys.

What you think of me thinking that is not of any concern to me. And as for you thinking you are related to monkeys, I don't mind at all. I feel kind of bad for you, but then I only have so much time to think about it.

Being evolved from an Ape (monkey as you say), in no way negates being created by Allah or being a descendant of the Man Adam...

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm not sure that where this is going is worth my time. I don't believe that I evolved from monkeys.

What you think of me thinking that is not of any concern to me. And as for you thinking you are related to monkeys, I don't mind at all. I feel kind of bad for you, but then I only have so much time to think about it.

I'm happy I came across these boards because many people who believe in the theory of evolution really just say whatever they believe without substance except to say, "Well, that's what most scientists believe..." and then when asked more about it, they cannot explain and then call you uneducated, and the like. Meantime, only humans have developed cameras, cell phones, keyboards...bonobos, etc. are still not able to do so.

 

[YoursTrue]

You didn't come from a monkey -- your parents were human. Once again, your comment shows just how badly many people understand evolution. Strange, really, because it isn't really hard at all -- at least the basics.

except that some here, and science says humans came from fish...in the long run, of course. Hey, have a good day.

 

[ChristineM]

Moving away from primates, elephants call each other by name. Its possible that parrots and dolphins do too

Elephants Found to Have Names for Each Other

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

except that some here, and science says humans came from fish...in the long run, of course. Hey, have a good day.

And that is true, too. I'd like you to look at something. The picture here shows (left to right) my grandfather, my father and me -- all at about the same age. Remarkable likenesses, eh? And yet, we're all different from one another, and if there were some way we could be alive at the same time at the same age, nobody would have the least difficulty telling us apart.

So small differences are quite noticeable, really. But that's only 3 generations of the same paternal bloodline. Now multiply that by 30, or 300, or 3,000. What do you think those "small differences" might add up to when you look at my 3,003rd great grandfather? But that would only have been around 60,000 years ago, and we humans have been here for at least 3 times that! And hominids for even longer, and mammals for much, much longer than that, and the ancestors of mammals for vast ages longer still!

What do you think small changes, when multiplied by literally millions and hundreds of millions, might amount to?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Well they're monkeys. I'm not really surprised.

On no way does that make me think I came from a monkey.

I see this misunderstanding about evolution in here all the time.

First of all, you are right, you didn't "come from a monkey." What evolution actually teaches is that you and monkeys share a common ancestor that you and monkey then evolved from. That does make you related to monkeys in the same way that second cousins are related but neither giving birth to the other.

The second thing is that Science categorizes species by traits and genetic similarity. For example, "chordates" refers to all animals that have a spinal chord. You and I are chordates since we have spinal chords.

A mammal is a chordate that feeds its young with milk formed in mammillary glands. Humans, elephants, whales, even platypuses, are mammals.

Primates are those mammals that have a number of unique characteristics, the best known being opposable thumbs. Since you and I have opposable thumbs, we are primates.

Are with me so far, agreeing that humans are chordates, mammals, and primates?

Now let's talk about the Great Apes, which is a subcategory of primates. There are a number of traits that are looked at. I will compare the Great Apes with Monkeys, although it should be noted that primates also include creatures such as bushbabies and lemurs. I'm just going to paste what AI came up with to save time:

1. Lack of a Tail
Great Apes: Unlike most monkeys, great apes do not have tails. This is a significant anatomical difference and one of the most obvious ways to distinguish great apes from many other primates.
Monkeys: Many monkey species, especially those in the New World (such as capuchins and spider monkeys), have tails, some of which are prehensile and used for grasping branches.

2. Larger Brain Size
Great Apes: They have larger and more complex brains relative to their body size compared to other primates. This greater brain volume is associated with higher cognitive abilities, complex problem-solving skills, and advanced social behaviors.
Monkeys and Other Primates: While some monkeys have relatively large brains, their cognitive abilities are generally not as advanced as those of the great apes.

3. More Complex Social Structures and Behaviors
Great Apes: They often exhibit complex social behaviors, including intricate communication, tool use, and problem-solving. For example, chimpanzees and bonobos are known for their sophisticated social structures and the use of tools in the wild.
Monkeys: Monkeys also have social groups, but the complexity and level of social interactions can be less intricate compared to great apes.

4. Longer Developmental Periods
Great Apes: They have longer gestation periods, extended infancy, and a prolonged juvenile phase. This extended period allows for greater learning and the development of complex behaviors.
Monkeys: Typically have shorter developmental periods compared to great apes, with faster maturation.

5. Increased Dependency on Learned Behaviors
Great Apes: They rely heavily on learned behaviors, with significant knowledge being passed from one generation to the next. This cultural transmission is a hallmark of great ape societies.
Monkeys: Although they also learn behaviors, the cultural complexity seen in great apes is less common among monkeys.

6. More Flexible Shoulder Joints and Upper Body
Great Apes: They have highly flexible shoulder joints, allowing for a wide range of motion in their arms. This trait supports brachiation (swinging from branch to branch) and is evident in species like orangutans. It also contributes to their ability to manipulate objects skillfully.
Monkeys: While some monkeys have prehensile tails that aid in mobility, their shoulder and upper body flexibility are generally less developed than that of great apes.

7. Posture and Locomotion
Great Apes: They have a more upright posture and can walk bipedally (on two legs) for short distances. Gorillas and chimpanzees, for example, use a form of knuckle-walking, while orangutans may move using their fists.
Monkeys: Typically move on all fours, and their locomotion is often less focused on an upright stance.

8. Diet and Feeding Behavior
Great Apes: They often have diverse diets, including fruits, leaves, and in some cases, meat. Their feeding behaviors can be complex, involving the use of tools (e.g., chimpanzees using sticks to extract termites).
Monkeys: Many have specialized diets and may not exhibit the same level of tool use as great apes.

9. Facial Expressions and Communication
Great Apes: They have highly expressive faces and a wide range of vocalizations and gestures. These are used for nuanced communication and social interactions.
Monkeys: While they also communicate, the range and subtlety of expressions and vocalizations are generally more limited.

10. Greater Body Size
Great Apes: Typically, great apes are larger than most monkeys, with species like gorillas being the largest of all primates.
Monkeys: Come in a wider range of sizes, often smaller than great apes.

SOOOOO....
Just like we are chordates, mammals, and primates, we ALSO fit into the subcategory of primate known as the Great Apes.

 

[Pawpatrol]

I see this misunderstanding about evolution in here all the time.

First of all, you are right, you didn't "come from a monkey." What evolution actually teaches is that you and monkeys share a common ancestor that you and monkey then evolved from. That does make you related to monkeys in the same way that second cousins are related but neither giving birth to the other.

The second thing is that Science categorizes species by traits and genetic similarity. For example, "chordates" refers to all animals that have a spinal chord. You and I are chordates since we have spinal chords.

A mammal is a chordate that feeds its young with milk formed in mammillary glands. Humans, elephants, whales, even platypuses, are mammals.

Primates are those mammals that have a number of unique characteristics, the best known being opposable thumbs. Since you and I have opposable thumbs, we are primates.

Are with me so far, agreeing that humans are chordates, mammals, and primates?

Now let's talk about the Great Apes, which is a subcategory of primates. There are a number of traits that are looked at. I will compare the Great Apes with Monkeys, although it should be noted that primates also include creatures such as bushbabies and lemurs. I'm just going to paste what AI came up with to save time:

1. Lack of a Tail
Great Apes: Unlike most monkeys, great apes do not have tails. This is a significant anatomical difference and one of the most obvious ways to distinguish great apes from many other primates.
Monkeys: Many monkey species, especially those in the New World (such as capuchins and spider monkeys), have tails, some of which are prehensile and used for grasping branches.

2. Larger Brain Size
Great Apes: They have larger and more complex brains relative to their body size compared to other primates. This greater brain volume is associated with higher cognitive abilities, complex problem-solving skills, and advanced social behaviors.
Monkeys and Other Primates: While some monkeys have relatively large brains, their cognitive abilities are generally not as advanced as those of the great apes.

3. More Complex Social Structures and Behaviors
Great Apes: They often exhibit complex social behaviors, including intricate communication, tool use, and problem-solving. For example, chimpanzees and bonobos are known for their sophisticated social structures and the use of tools in the wild.
Monkeys: Monkeys also have social groups, but the complexity and level of social interactions can be less intricate compared to great apes.

4. Longer Developmental Periods
Great Apes: They have longer gestation periods, extended infancy, and a prolonged juvenile phase. This extended period allows for greater learning and the development of complex behaviors.
Monkeys: Typically have shorter developmental periods compared to great apes, with faster maturation.

5. Increased Dependency on Learned Behaviors
Great Apes: They rely heavily on learned behaviors, with significant knowledge being passed from one generation to the next. This cultural transmission is a hallmark of great ape societies.
Monkeys: Although they also learn behaviors, the cultural complexity seen in great apes is less common among monkeys.

6. More Flexible Shoulder Joints and Upper Body
Great Apes: They have highly flexible shoulder joints, allowing for a wide range of motion in their arms. This trait supports brachiation (swinging from branch to branch) and is evident in species like orangutans. It also contributes to their ability to manipulate objects skillfully.
Monkeys: While some monkeys have prehensile tails that aid in mobility, their shoulder and upper body flexibility are generally less developed than that of great apes.

7. Posture and Locomotion
Great Apes: They have a more upright posture and can walk bipedally (on two legs) for short distances. Gorillas and chimpanzees, for example, use a form of knuckle-walking, while orangutans may move using their fists.
Monkeys: Typically move on all fours, and their locomotion is often less focused on an upright stance.

8. Diet and Feeding Behavior
Great Apes: They often have diverse diets, including fruits, leaves, and in some cases, meat. Their feeding behaviors can be complex, involving the use of tools (e.g., chimpanzees using sticks to extract termites).
Monkeys: Many have specialized diets and may not exhibit the same level of tool use as great apes.

9. Facial Expressions and Communication
Great Apes: They have highly expressive faces and a wide range of vocalizations and gestures. These are used for nuanced communication and social interactions.
Monkeys: While they also communicate, the range and subtlety of expressions and vocalizations are generally more limited.

10. Greater Body Size
Great Apes: Typically, great apes are larger than most monkeys, with species like gorillas being the largest of all primates.
Monkeys: Come in a wider range of sizes, often smaller than great apes.

SOOOOO....
Just like we are chordates, mammals, and primates, we ALSO fit into the subcategory of primate known as the Great Apes.

This isn't about linguistics. This is about are the descendants of humans apes. Forget the fancy scientific vocabulary. It's not important