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marriage and romantic love: a case against

cruxette

Member
I don't get any of it. I am not interested in romance, marriage etc. For a number of reasons:

- I don't want to damage anyone. I like women that much that I want to leave them alone.
- Surely love is a contradiction. If you love someone you marry them. Yet if you love them then the other person must be free. Free to leave.
- I know that if I ever did have a romantic relationship I would damage the other person. I can't live with anyone. So I don't really have the right to expose anyone to that.
 

Terese

Mangalam Pundarikakshah
Staff member
Premium Member
Why do you think you would hurt the one you love? Is there something you're not living up to?
 
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SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
- Why would you damage people? Are you violent? Abusive?
Do you need to seek professional help?
-There are open marriages, you know? Swingers are very.........erm free
-I think you may need to speak to someone far more qualified than I, good sir or madam.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I don't get any of it. I am not interested in romance, marriage etc. For a number of reasons:

- I don't want to damage anyone. I like women that much that I want to leave them alone.
This reminds me of a quote from the movie "40 Year Old Virgin".
Andy: You know what, I respect women. I love women. I respect them so much I completely stay away from them.

But seriously, it isn't for everyone. Sometimes it takes longer. I wouldn't stress too much about it. :)
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
Romantic love usually doesn't last very long. Six months to two years or so. Most marriages last a bit longer than that, and involve a different kind of love than romantic love.
Six months romantism???? I would love to feel that ecstasy lasting for full 180 days.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
I don't get any of it. I am not interested in romance, marriage etc. For a number of reasons:
- I don't want to damage anyone. I like women that much that I want to leave them alone.
- Surely love is a contradiction. If you love someone you marry them. Yet if you love them then the other person must be free. Free to leave.
- I know that if I ever did have a romantic relationship I would damage the other person. I can't live with anyone. So I don't really have the right to expose anyone to that.

You're already halfway to love because part of loving someone is not wanting to hurt them. If you didn't love, you wouldn't give a damn about the other person.

In my experience, I've found communication works great. Tell the other person how you feel. Loving someone doesn't equate to being a mind reader.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
I don't get any of it. I am not interested in romance, marriage etc. For a number of reasons:

- I don't want to damage anyone. I like women that much that I want to leave them alone.
- Surely love is a contradiction. If you love someone you marry them. Yet if you love them then the other person must be free. Free to leave.
- I know that if I ever did have a romantic relationship I would damage the other person. I can't live with anyone. So I don't really have the right to expose anyone to that.

I suspect you don't have much to worry about.
 

Scott C.

Just one guy
Romantic love usually doesn't last very long. Six months to two years or so. Most marriages last a bit longer than that, and involve a different kind of love than romantic love.

I agree that romantic love, the goosebumps, the infatuation, motivate people to marry. But initial excitements wear off. As a man who was happily married for 31 years, I know absolutely that enduring love is built over time through effort and sharing life's hardships and experience. But I also learned through a more painful experience than I thought I would ever have to endure, that the other party may not have grown so attached over the years. But I believe in marriage and being together with someone and being loyal to one another. Hence I took the plunge once again last month.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
I don't get any of it. I am not interested in romance, marriage etc. For a number of reasons:

- I don't want to damage anyone. I like women that much that I want to leave them alone.
- Surely love is a contradiction. If you love someone you marry them. Yet if you love them then the other person must be free. Free to leave.
- I know that if I ever did have a romantic relationship I would damage the other person. I can't live with anyone. So I don't really have the right to expose anyone to that.
This is not a case against marriage, this is a case against cruxette.
 

Wirey

Fartist
I don't get any of it. I am not interested in romance, marriage etc. For a number of reasons:

- I don't want to damage anyone. I like women that much that I want to leave them alone.
- Surely love is a contradiction. If you love someone you marry them. Yet if you love them then the other person must be free. Free to leave.
- I know that if I ever did have a romantic relationship I would damage the other person. I can't live with anyone. So I don't really have the right to expose anyone to that.

You're inability to be a decent person doesn't remove the legitimacy of love. Sorry 'bout your luck.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't get any of it. I am not interested in romance, marriage etc. For a number of reasons:

- I don't want to damage anyone. I like women that much that I want to leave them alone.
- Surely love is a contradiction. If you love someone you marry them. Yet if you love them then the other person must be free. Free to leave.
- I know that if I ever did have a romantic relationship I would damage the other person. I can't live with anyone. So I don't really have the right to expose anyone to that.

Some questions to ask yourself.

Is it possible to live your day to day life without "damaging" anyone? You have relationships with other people, right? With parents? Friends? Coworkers? What, to you, makes the "damage" possibilities of romantic relationships significantly worse than any of these? Can the "damage" done in other types of relationships be just as bad, or possibly worse? What do you do about that?


Did you know that there are animal species that only ever have one mate, but that humans are not one of these species? In other words, they are not obligately monogamous? Are you able to accept that and work with it, or not? Are you aware that the social institution of marriage does not have to mean practicing monogamy? Have you considered that both you and your partner are entirely free to allow each other freedom to engage in other romantic relationships?

 

bain-druie

Tree-Hugger!
Marriage is not for everyone, and that's fine. However, the fact that this thread exists would suggest that you have at least enough interest in it to want a discussion.

Love is exactly like life in many ways; risk is inherent, and pain inevitable. You're right that you'd damage the one you love; but then, we all do, regardless of our best intentions and efforts. The greater the love, the greater the potential for pain, and therefore the scarier it is. But as I see it, living in fear is much worse than living in love and enduring the pain that will certainly walk hand in hand with it at least some of the time. Some people don't want romance or marriage because they're happy without it; others don't want it because they're afraid of the potential pain involved. Your post indicates that you fall into the second category. To me, fear is a poor reason for action or lack of action, and it cheats many of us out of the heights and depths of joy we could experience if we defy it.

My husband and I come from almost opposite cultures; our marriage has not been particularly peaceful or easy, and although it gets easier as we grow and learn, I doubt it will ever be without severe storms every so often. I have experienced more pain in this relationship than I did in any others, but I have also experienced greater joy and ecstasy than I ever did before. Is it worth it? Well, I would probably answer differently depending on the moment at which you asked. But overall, yes. Even at the worst times, I have never regretted this love, because it has brought me gifts and experiences I could never have had otherwise; shown me new facets of myself and the world around me. It's been a journey of discovery on so many levels.

And as others point out, there are incredibly varied ways to express love and to be in relationships. Each relationship is as unique as the individuals that comprise it, and it must define its own boundaries.

No one would suggest that you *must* have romantic entanglements in order to be happy; but if you choose to avoid them, I would encourage you not to avoid them because of fear. Fear impoverishes the soul too often, leaving nothing in exchange for what it takes away.
 

Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
To be loved by someone is to realize how much they share the same needs that lie at the heart of our own attraction to them. Albert Camus suggested that we fall in love with people because, from the outside, they look so whole, physically whole and emotionally 'together' - when subjectively we feel dispersed and confused. We would not love if there were no lack within us, but we are offended by the discovery of a similar lack in the other. Expecting to find the answer, we find only the duplicate of our own problem.

Every fall into love involves the triumph of hope over self-knowledge. We fall in love hoping we won't find in another what we know is in ourselves, all the cowardice, weakness, laziness, dishonesty, compromise, and stupidity. We throw a cordon of love around the chosen one and decide that everything within it will somehow be free of our faults. We locate inside another a perfection that eludes us within ourselves, and through our union with the beloved hope to maintain (against the evidence of all self-knowledge) a precarious faith in our species.
 
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