Mask excempt-interesting

[Unveiled Artist]

'Not really up for discussion for this, but thought it was interesting that there are IDs that give pass for people who "cannot" (rather than choose not) to wear masks due to medical conditions. Unfortunately, they try to make it part of the American's Disability Act, though I find that inappropriate just as not being waned in a government building because you have asthma rather than like myself and others with medal in our chest. So, its a give or take.

'Anti-maskers' say medical conditions prevent them from wearing masks, but doctors say that's not a legitimate excuse But doctors say various conditions don't excuse people from wearing masks, but rather emphasize the importance of wearing one correctly.

Enjoy.

 

[QuestioningMind]

'Not really up for discussion for this, but thought it was interesting that there are IDs that give pass for people who "cannot" (rather than choose not) to wear masks due to medical conditions. Unfortunately, they try to make it part of the American's Disability Act, though I find that inappropriate just as not being waned in a government building because you have asthma rather than like myself and others with medal in our chest. So, its a give or take.

'Anti-maskers' say medical conditions prevent them from wearing masks, but doctors say that's not a legitimate excuse But doctors say various conditions don't excuse people from wearing masks, but rather emphasize the importance of wearing one correctly.

Enjoy.

Apparently there are a small handful of people who have medical conditions where wearing a mask for extended periods of time can have negative effects. But we're talking about someone having to wear a mask for an entire 8 hour work shift. That same person would be able to wear a mask for the 30 to 60 minutes it would take to go shopping in a store with no ill effects whatsoever.

So sadly all of these people insisting that THEY have a condition that makes it impossible for them to wear a mask to go shopping are just a bunch of spoiled brats who can't be inconvenienced and are far too selfish and self-centered to care about the rest of society. I always knew that there were a certain percentage of selfish a holes in this country, but it's disturbing to find out that the percentage isn't nearly as small as I'd hoped.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I saw fake IDs being created, but no actual legitimate IDs being given out.
Honestly there's almost no reason why an ID should be necessary. If you cannot wear a mask, there's plethora of curbside assistance you can get. You don't NEED to be in a public space, unless you're in a hospital or something. In which case you can probably wear a face shield.

 

[columbus]

That same person would be able to wear a mask for the 30 to 60 minutes it would take to go shopping in a store with no ill effects whatsoever.

Pretty much this.
Someone with a health issue so severe that they can't wear a mask at Wal-Mart shouldn't be at Wal-Mart at all.
Or wherever.

If you're unable to wear a mask and sanitize your hands and whatever, stay home. You have no business out risking other people's health.
Tom

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Apparently there are a small handful of people who have medical conditions where wearing a mask for extended periods of time can have negative effects. But we're talking about someone having to wear a mask for an entire 8 hour work shift. That same person would be able to wear a mask for the 30 to 60 minutes it would take to go shopping in a store with no ill effects whatsoever.

So sadly all of these people insisting that THEY have a condition that makes it impossible for them to wear a mask to go shopping are just a bunch of spoiled brats who can't be inconvenienced and are far too selfish and self-centered to care about the rest of society. I always knew that there were a certain percentage of selfish a holes in this country, but it's disturbing to find out that the percentage isn't nearly as small as I'd hoped.

It's rare but when I think of excuses I think of people with oxygen tanks mostly. I don't know if they have to wear masks, but some stores here have designated hours for the elderly to shop. Which is interesting and sounds more discriminating than anything else. The other holocaust thread got me thinking of this. While I can't compare to an extreme, the singling out people as well is a bit harsh.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Pretty much this.
Someone with a health issue so severe that they can't wear a mask at Wal-Mart shouldn't be at Wal-Mart at all.
Or wherever.

If you're unable to wear a mask and sanitize your hands and whatever, stay home. You have no business out risking other people's health.
Tom

That's silly. If a person (like where I live) are elderly and have barely if no family (so was told by many) to shop for them and they can't literally go anywhere-no store, no bank, not even to get a ham sandwhich at Wendy's cause people act like they are a ticking time bomb for the five minutes they are in the same store (Wal-Mart is pretty big store). I can't imagine people's faces in fear when someone with a health condition falls on the floor and no one wants to help him for fear of the virus. I only saw one person help the elderly without a mask and I told him straight out, that was a nice thing he did.

With the OP, though, few people in between have justification for the card but I guess it depends on where they go.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

That's silly. If a person (like where I live) are elderly and have barely if no family (so was told by many) to shop for them and they can't literally go anywhere-no store, no bank, not even to get a ham sandwhich at Wendy's cause people act like they are a ticking time bomb for the five minutes they are in the same store (Wal-Mart is pretty big store). I can't imagine people's faces in fear when someone with a health condition falls on the floor and no one wants to help him for fear of the virus. I only saw one person help the elderly without a mask and I told him straight out, that was a nice thing he did.

With the OP, though, few people in between have justification for the card but I guess it depends on where they go.

There are services for this sort of thing. And I agree there should be more. My apartment organized volunteer food and medicine providers who could be contacted to go pick things up for sick or vulnerable people, and use venmo/paypal/cash drops to pay them for whatever. But as I said, elderly and vulnerable who are still able to drive have a lot of curbside pickup options. And those who can't usually have assisted living options and assistance programs they can use. If not just online ordering and delivery.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

There are services for this sort of thing. And I agree there should be more. My apartment organized volunteer food and medicine providers who could be contacted to go pick things up for sick or vulnerable people, and use venmo/paypal/cash drops to pay them for whatever. But as I said, elderly and vulnerable who are still able to drive have a lot of curbside pickup options. And those who can't usually have assisted living options and assistance programs they can use. If not just online ordering and delivery.

We live in an independent apartment complex. We have vans that go to the store for residents. The church used to help and we haven't seen the brown bag people in awhile. A lot of organizations do not want to visit "elderly homes" because of social distancing. There's a lot of issues involved and because this isn't a nursing home, organizations choose where they want to serve and those who aren't at higher risk.

I haven't seen Giant grocery deliver these days. The only people that really want to come near are, of course, first respondents. Churches closed down everywhere so people loss ways to get food. Amazon was backed up ad limited a lot of things as well. I don't know about Walmart but I wish everyone was as kind like that. Stores and organizations and other necessary places just don't want to take a chance.

I hope you got my point, though?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I saw fake IDs being created, but no actual legitimate IDs being given out.
Honestly there's almost no reason why an ID should be necessary. If you cannot wear a mask, there's plethora of curbside assistance you can get. You don't NEED to be in a public space, unless you're in a hospital or something. In which case you can probably wear a face shield.

Face shield. Now that's drastic.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

We live in an independent apartment complex. We have vans that go to the store for residents. The church used to help and we haven't seen the brown bag people in awhile. A lot of organizations do not want to visit "elderly homes" because of social distancing. There's a lot of issues involved and because this isn't a nursing home, organizations choose where they want to serve and those who aren't at higher risk.

I haven't seen Giant grocery deliver these days. The only people that really want to come near are, of course, first respondents. Churches closed down everywhere so people loss ways to get food. Amazon was backed up ad limited a lot of things as well. I don't know about Walmart but I wish everyone was as kind like that. Stores and organizations and other necessary places just don't want to take a chance.

I hope you got my point, though?

If this is something you're concerned about for yourself and friends, send me a PM. I bet I could find resources in your area. Usually there's a lot more than meets the eye. My gleaning and food bank associates have still been in operation this whole pandemic, and we had to put out a bunch of facebook shares because the community just didn't know they existed. And most stores are required to have curbside pickup, especially big chains like costco, sams club, walmart, fred meyers etc.

Face shield. Now that's drastic.

Not really. The tiny minority of people who can't wear masks can use them. Not put their communities at risk. And some studies show they're even more effective than masks anyway. Face Shields May Be Better Than Masks for COVID-19 And you can get them for less than $10. They're reusable, easier to clean than masks, and are just an all around great option.

 

[pearl]

I think there are some people with legitimate concerns wearing a mask, breathing problems and claustrophobia.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If this is something you're concerned about for yourself and friends, send me a PM. I bet I could find resources in your area. Usually there's a lot more than meets the eye. My gleaning and food bank associates have still been in operation this whole pandemic, and we had to put out a bunch of facebook shares because the community just didn't know they existed. And most stores are required to have curbside pickup, especially big chains like costco, sams club, walmart, fred meyers etc.

Not really. The tiny minority of people who can't wear masks can use them. Not put their communities at risk. And some studies show they're even more effective than masks anyway. Face Shields May Be Better Than Masks for COVID-19 And you can get them for less than $10. They're reusable, easier to clean than masks, and are just an all around great option.

I've been here most my life and this area near over 10 years. I did not say there were no resources. I said that it's hard for people "in my living complex" to get to places because of their disability, age, and non-ability to drive (and scared to go on public transportation some). Going into the bank alone, as mentioned, they turn people away. I mean it's nice to say every person has "a way" but that is simply not realistic. Even homeless we have around here its hard to find places. They finally offering more room for shelter but then they couldn't before the virus. So, unless people only care about catching or spreading the virus and not other implications that affect people because of it "and" people's reactions to others, it's very hard to fix the situation.

Not every thing has a fix-it. I wish that were the case then I'd be working full time and off of disability. It's simply not realistic.

Focus too much on masks and not on helping people in addition to.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

'Anti-maskers' say medical conditions prevent them from wearing masks, but doctors say that's not a legitimate excuse But doctors say various conditions don't excuse people from wearing masks, but rather emphasize the importance of wearing one correctly.

Sounds like when the someone obese starts blaming their genes and hormones for their obesity rather than diet and exercise. Sure, it can happen. Most likely and probably not with that individual person, however.
Or this absurd idea masks cause oxygen deprivation. Halloween single handedly deminstrates, year after year after year, that claim is total rubbish.
But boo-hoo, poor me, whatever I can do to maintain my snowflake status and not do what is expected of me like everybody else.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I've been here most my life and this area near over 10 years. I did not say there were no resources. I said that it's hard for people "in my living complex" to get to places because of their disability, age, and non-ability to drive (and scared to go on public transportation some). Going into the bank alone, as mentioned, they turn people away. I mean it's nice to say every person has "a way" but that is simply not realistic. Even homeless we have around here its hard to find places. They finally offering more room for shelter but then they couldn't before the virus. So, unless people only care about catching or spreading the virus and not other implications that affect people because of it "and" people's reactions to others, it's very hard to fix the situation.

Not every thing has a fix-it. I wish that were the case then I'd be working full time and off of disability. It's simply not realistic.

I don't think everyone has a way. Some people are truly without recourse. But I do believe that the vast majority of people who feel like they're the exception, aren't. Either due to lack of research (intention or ability), or lack of care.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I don't think everyone has a way. Some people are truly without recourse. But I do believe that the vast majority of people who feel like they're the exception, aren't. Either due to lack of research (intention or ability), or lack of care.

There are many factors why people can't. They do sell masks like they sell hot dogs in some mall complexes I found. They are expensive for material but a good idea instead of saying "they should..." type of thing. I'm not anzy about the virus since it's part of nature. I'm just unnerved at how people are treating others over material and other politics stuff of course. It's one thing to brush by it on the news or t.v. but then another on RF and other forums where it confirms a lot of the things that displeases me on screens.

Most people do care, though. Maybe pro-maskers who have strong opinions aren't giving others the benefit of the doubt. Causes issues like anti-mask riots and so forth. Very sad.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

There are many factors why people can't. They do sell masks like they sell hot dogs in some mall complexes I found. They are expensive for material but a good idea instead of saying "they should..." type of thing. I'm not anzy about the virus since it's part of nature. I'm just unnerved at how people are treating others over material and other politics stuff of course. It's one thing to brush by it on the news or t.v. but then another on RF and other forums where it confirms a lot of the things that displeases me on screens.

Most people do care, though. Maybe pro-maskers who have strong opinions aren't giving others the benefit of the doubt. Causes issues like anti-mask riots and so forth. Very sad.

Being part of nature doesn't change that going out in public without masks or proper social distancing has resulted in a lot of deaths, deaths that would have been avoidable with proper adherence to safety guidelines. There is no good reason for anti-mask riots other than massive amount of either ignorance or selfishness. And I say this as someone with someone in the vulnerable category at home, who does have difficulty breathing due to lung scarring and asthma, anxiety and claustrophobia, yet still makes the effort to either wear a mask or find other ways of getting what he needs. It's doable in 99% of cases, but there are more people pretending they're in the 1% than being honest with themselves, I think.

 

[Valjean]

They're fake. No such cards.

There’s no such thing as a government-issued ‘face mask exempt card’ — it’s all a fraud
Justice Department Issues Warning About Fake Mask Exempt Cards

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Sounds like when the someone obese starts blaming their genes and hormones for their obesity rather than diet and exercise. Sure, it can happen. Most likely and probably not with that individual person, however.
Or this absurd idea masks cause oxygen deprivation. Halloween single handedly deminstrates, year after year after year, that claim is total rubbish.
But boo-hoo, poor me, whatever I can do to maintain my snowflake status and not do what is expected of me like everybody else.

Actually, masks do cause oxygen deprivation. That's been demonstrated. However, the amount they deprive a person of oxygen is not significant for 99% of people unless they are exercising intensely, so most people are definitely making excuses.

About obesity--I'm not sure that jab at obese people was necessary. I used to think the same way you do, namely that obesity is purely a result of a lack of discipline and self-control. And while I still believe that is part of it, I think that genes and hormones certainly DO play a major role. I realized this when I discovered that there are people who eat only slightly more than me and weigh 270-280 pounds, a weight that I likely couldn't physically reach without eating until I felt sick at every meal.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Being part of nature doesn't change that going out in public without masks or proper social distancing has resulted in a lot of deaths, deaths that would have been avoidable with proper adherence to safety guidelines. There is no good reason for anti-mask riots other than massive amount of either ignorance or selfishness. And I say this as someone with someone in the vulnerable category at home, who does have difficulty breathing due to lung scarring and asthma, anxiety and claustrophobia, yet still makes the effort to either wear a mask or find other ways of getting what he needs. It's doable in 99% of cases, but there are more people pretending they're in the 1% than being honest with themselves, I think.

I'm personally not bothered about the virus since it's part of nature just people's emotions since it's more contagious. The mask thing, though, I know it's rare but those that are the minority shouldn't be made to feel they can't or aren't making the effort. I never did like that cause I get it a lot. It's like saying people won't be homeless if they they.... people won't take advantage off government funds if they.... and saying that the tiny majority have a justified excuse but most do not.

The best thing is social distancing and hygiene. I'm really not sure why masks both anti and pro people are up in arms about it, though. It could be the fear or highly concern over being asymptomatic?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

About obesity--I'm not sure that jab at obese people was necessary. I used to think the same way you do, namely that obesity is purely a result of a lack of discipline and self-control.

I didn't mention those. I said diet and exercise. That is the very basic foundation of body weight. Discipline and self control do faulter and fail. Adapting healthier lifestyles habits accepts that will happen and moves on and still works to do better. Even if you eat healthy, you can be very unhealthy if you're lifestyle is overall sedentary. If you're very active, that still wont give you the nutrients your body needs, let alone the extra you'll need for a high activity level lifestyle.

I realized this when I discovered that there are people who eat only slightly more than me and weigh 270-280 pounds, a weight that I likely couldn't physically reach without eating until I felt sick at every meal.

Going by seeing what someone eats basically only tells you what they ate then and there. It doesn't tell you their basal metabolic rate. It doesn't tell you what kind if diet they need. It doesn't tell you if they eat it all the time or rarely at all. If they only eat slightly more and weigh that much more, hiw much physical activity are they getting?
Not wearing the masks is about the same. Its not this or that, its not doing what should be done.