Mask excempt-interesting

[Shadow Wolf]

The best thing is social distancing and hygiene. I'm really not sure why masks both anti and pro people are up in arms about it, though. It could be the fear or highly concern over being asymptomatic?

It has been demonstrated time and time and time and time again that wearing a mask helps to reduce the spread of covid.
Even Sean Hannity said "wear a mask for grandma."

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Sounds like when the someone obese starts blaming their genes and hormones for their obesity rather than diet and exercise. Sure, it can happen. Most likely and probably not with that individual person, however.

Or this absurd idea masks cause oxygen deprivation. Halloween single handedly deminstrates, year after year after year, that claim is total rubbish.
But boo-hoo, poor me, whatever I can do to maintain my snowflake status and not do what is expected of me like everybody else.

Opinions aside, some masks do prevent breathing. Since there are different types of masks, of course people have the choice to get ones that best suites their health. But they do have justified excuse in and of itself.

COVID-19 Mythbusters – World Health Organization

It doesn't matter "our" opinions about mask wearing. I wear masks. You do too. It does prevent oxygen levels especially when worn inappropriately. I have material masks cause it was cheaper and I'm not around people to be afraid of being asymptomatic. But there are people who can't wear any thing over their face-the politics, pandemic, etc is besides the point. It's a health issue.

Maybe finding other alternative ways they, the minority, can help not catch the virus and vis versa would help more than not being emphatic to those who actually cannot wear a mask; thinking of those at a disadvantage. Social distancing and hygiene is better than masks anyhow. It just depends on their health, environment, and situation not the masks themselves.

Anyway.

I'm sure there are people who find other alternatives for those rare cases people can't wear masks. Their doctors could suggest another way. That, or like one post here, wear glass shields. I do not feel that's necessary but people feel they may be asymptomatic to others so if it helps, it does. Just hopefully both parties aren't having anti-rallies because of it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It has been demonstrated time and time and time and time again that wearing a mask helps to reduce the spread of covid.
Even Sean Hannity said "wear a mask for grandma."

Yes.... And, not but.

Not being around people and good hygiene helps much more.

If you are not around people, you can't spread it.
If you have good hygiene, you lessen your chances of getting it and vis versa.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes.... And, not but.

Not being around people and good hygiene helps much more.

If you are not around people, you can't spread it.
If you have good hygiene, you lessen your chances of getting it and vis versa.

Most people have to go around ithers at some point for whatever reason. Such as to the grocery store. Or for medical appointments. My own personal thing is going to the gym to use the elliptical to and a no-impact aerobic workout given my bad knees, and that is after I asked my doctor for his input about, which did include wearing a sweat band and putting my hakr in a ponytail so I'm not wiping sweat off my face, wearing gloves, and wearing a mask. Breathing is difficult at times, but like anything else my body is adjusting.

 

[sun rise]

However, the amount they deprive a person of oxygen is not significant for 99% of people unless they are exercising intensely,

The other day I was passed by a running going at high speed and wearing a mask.

Yes, very thick masks of multiple layers of fabric with a high thread count will make breathing more difficult. But a freaking loosely woven bandana?

A few that have an oxygen tank or have PTSD, sure, there are always a few. But if we did not have so many adult children running around, we could easily accommodate those few. Their legitimate needs get spoiled by the many cry babies with adult bodies.

 

[Mindmaster]

Apparently there are a small handful of people who have medical conditions where wearing a mask for extended periods of time can have negative effects. But we're talking about someone having to wear a mask for an entire 8 hour work shift. That same person would be able to wear a mask for the 30 to 60 minutes it would take to go shopping in a store with no ill effects whatsoever.

There are many problems that make this true, usually cardiac-related, but I knew another person who had an embolism in their lung and after the related scarring from the injury has extremely reduced breathing capacity. They can't wear the mask or they're just going to fall over and hit the floor. Asthma sufferers may find a reduction in breathing impossible as well. (The masks reduce your oxygen intake per breath an easy 10-20%.) Though with the mask in that case, it might be better off having them wear it anyway to prevent the allergens from bothering them.

No one is supposed to wear these masks for 8 hours. You are supposed to wear them 2 hours on and then 15-30 minutes off. (preferably 30) The instructions for these masks say this, as do the CDC recommendations for their medical use. This is not optional. You will build up CO2 with the mask on no matter what you do, and you need to normalize it. If you allow the CO2 to build up it'll create an acid environment in your blood that will be conducive to growing cancer, so have fun with that. Anyway, masks can be used safely if the precautions are followed. I'd still recommend you use them only when you have to and for as long as you do. If you can keep social distance there is virtually no reason to wear it. Most people aren't getting this but through the air, they're getting it through contact with contaminated items. This means hand washing/hygiene/area cleaning is far more important.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Edit. Shadow. Mindmaster (#26) said it better than me. Nothing wrong with masks. Just the judging and negativity surrounding it is terrible.

Most people have to go around ithers at some point for whatever reason. Such as to the grocery store. Or for medical appointments. My own personal thing is going to the gym to use the elliptical to and a no-impact aerobic workout given my bad knees, and that is after I asked my doctor for his input about, which did include wearing a sweat band and putting my hakr in a ponytail so I'm not wiping sweat off my face, wearing gloves, and wearing a mask. Breathing is difficult at times, but like anything else my body is adjusting.

I'd try not to compare bodies, though. General health, age, location, are factors. For example, I have seizures so I sometimes have seizures running or on a treadmill (any cardio). I don't wear a mask because I get dehydrated easily and all that together but to wear a mask "just in case" I cough or sneeze at someone ten feet away from me is ridiculous. But masks do make people
feel safe regardless what the mask itself is intended to do or admit it or not.

The thing I have an issue is why people have so many negative feelings about people wearing "and" not wearing masks. Emotions affect me mentally and physically. Now, I get it if someone was in people's faces. Some people like to reach over my shoulder to get food off the grocery shelf when they could wait a couple seconds for me to move out their way. Masks may help but social distancing (don't get near me) helps a lot more.

The emotions people have bother me the most more so than the virus and masks and so forth.

But this asymptomatic thing is what's causing much of the fear. Gosh. I'd be a hypochondriac if I kept thinking I'm asymptomatic to every other virus we haven't yet cured and can treat. Masks shouldn't be used to hate and judge others. Fear is highly contagious. Most people have small symptoms if they do catch the virus but fear... that's a whole 'nother animal.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

There are many problems that make this true, usually cardiac-related, but I knew another person who had an embolism in their lung and after the related scarring from the injury has extremely reduced breathing capacity. They can't wear the mask or they're just going to fall over and hit the floor. Asthma sufferers may find a reduction in breathing impossible as well. (The masks reduce your oxygen intake per breath an easy 10-20%.) Though with the mask in that case, it might be better off having them wear it anyway to prevent the allergens from bothering them.

No one is supposed to wear these masks for 8 hours. You are supposed to wear them 2 hours on and then 15-30 minutes off. (preferably 30) The instructions for these masks say this, as do the CDC recommendations for their medical use. This is not optional. You will build up CO2 with the mask on no matter what you do, and you need to normalize it. If you allow the CO2 to build up it'll create an acid environment in your blood that will be conducive to growing cancer, so have fun with that. Anyway, masks can be used safely if the precautions are followed. I'd still recommend you use them only when you have to and for as long as you do. If you can keep social distance there is virtually no reason to wear it. Most people aren't getting this but through the air, they're getting it through contact with contaminated items. This means hand washing/hygiene/area cleaning is far more important.

I think the main reason masks work is because they prevent people from touching their noses and mouths and getting germs that way. I'm not an expert but I have a suspicion that contaminated items are the most common way of getting sick in general, COVID being no exception. My reason for this is because I have been around people with the flu who were 3 feet away from me and coughed and never got sick (I didn't have a flu shot either). Many times I have been around people with colds and flu in very close proximity and never gotten sick, as long as I've been careful about washing my hands. Nearly every virus that I have had has come from a completely unknown source i.e. I didn't know anyone sick at the time I contracted the virus. This leads me to think that touching one's face after unknowingly touching a contaminated item is the most common way of getting sick. Also, the idea that people with COVID have a cloud of germs with a 6 to 12 foot radius floating around them all the time is absolutely ridiculous. If that were true, the entire world would have been infected by now.

 

[Mindmaster]

Also, the idea that people with COVID have a cloud of germs with a 6 to 12 foot radius floating around them all the time is absolutely ridiculous. If that were true, the entire world would have been infected by now.

Well, there is also the "amount" of the pathogen. If you are exposed to a small quantity of COVID you aren't necessarily assured to be infected, but our scientific lab testing could pick up COVID in that space, for example. If you get subjected to one little virus particle that doesn't mean you're going to get it. The aerosolized virus isn't very viable because it's in an extremely low concentration. But, that being said, contact via actual droplets of people wiping their mucous on things and then into your own mucous membranes would be very dangerous. Once you get that, you know what the priority is. Mostly if you never touch your eyes/nose/mouth or eat w/o washing your hands well your chances are _EXTREMELY_ low. My family works in a line of business where we are in close contact with about 1000 people a year (for long durations), and many of them come in sick or we find out they are later. We still haven't got it, and we haven't stopped working either. But, we have high hygiene standards in place, etc. I think if you're doing this already you're doing enough. This thing isn't measles which is so airborne infective you have little you can do.

 

[Valjean]

I think the main reason masks work is because they prevent people from touching their noses and mouths and getting germs that way. I'm not an expert but I have a suspicion that contaminated items are the most common way of getting sick in general, COVID being no exception. My reason for this is because I have been around people with the flu who were 3 feet away from me and coughed and never got sick (I didn't have a flu shot either). Many times I have been around people with colds and flu in very close proximity and never gotten sick, as long as I've been careful about washing my hands. Nearly every virus that I have had has come from a completely unknown source i.e. I didn't know anyone sick at the time I contracted the virus. This leads me to think that touching one's face after unknowingly touching a contaminated item is the most common way of getting sick. Also, the idea that people with COVID have a cloud of germs with a 6 to 12 foot radius floating around them all the time is absolutely ridiculous. If that were true, the entire world would have been infected by now.

I disagree. You're drawing conclusions from your own experience. That's not good epidemiology.

Covid is primarily droplet and, likely, airborn transmitted. You breathe it in. Fomitic transmission does happen, but it's not the major route in this case.

People vary in susceptibility to different diseases. Some will catch them, some won't. Moreover, in the case of Covid 19, many who do become infected remain asymptomatic, and likely never realize they caught it.

As far as being surrounded by a cloud of virus, this is not ridiculous. You do breathe out viruses, and, like smoke particles, they can hang in the air for a long time as aerosols. Luckily, though, it takes more than a few airborn viruses to transmit disease, and concentrations needed for transmission vary a lot in different diseases.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But this asymptomatic thing is what's causing much of the fear. Gosh. I'd be a hypochondriac if I kept thinking I'm asymptomatic to every other virus we haven't yet cured and can treat.

Or those with symptoms so mild they don't think about going to the doctor. And sure, most who get it will be fine. But as far as we know, about 20% of people will get sick, about 20% of those will require ICU admission. Amd many are very slow to recover, some have yet to recover.
Someone may have the sniffles, not think anything of it, and pass it to someone who is weeks and months recovering. Thats why the issue is so important. Amd when you're gambling with your health, a 20% chance of getting really sick should make anyone pause and consider if what they're are abkut to go out and do is really worth it or not.

 

[PureX]

I would think that if you can breath without one, you can breathe with one. But I am not a doctor. So maybe there are some VERY RARE conditions that would dictate otherwise.

Again, they'd be VERY RARE, though.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Or those with symptoms so mild they don't think about going to the doctor. And sure, most who get it will be fine. But as far as we know, about 20% of people will get sick, about 20% of those will require ICU admission. Amd many are very slow to recover, some have yet to recover.
Someone may have the sniffles, not think anything of it, and pass it to someone who is weeks and months recovering. Thats why the issue is so important. Amd when you're gambling with your health, a 20% chance of getting really sick should make anyone pause and consider if what they're are abkut to go out and do is really worth it or not.

My community has had 500 cases, 0 deaths with no one in the ICU. Even people in nursing homes have gotten it without severe illness. So, based on my local experience, either there are false positives or the virus is mutating to a weaker strain. This would make sense from an evolutionary standpoint as people who live for the duration of the virus have more chances to spread it to more people, so natural selection would favor less deadly mutations over time.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

I would think that if you can breath without one, you can breathe with one. But I am not a doctor. So maybe there are some VERY RARE conditions that would dictate otherwise.

Again, they'd be VERY RARE, though.

Two 14 year old boys died after running with masks. Don't assume you know everything about their safety, especially during intense exercise.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Or those with symptoms so mild they don't think about going to the doctor. And sure, most who get it will be fine. But as far as we know, about 20% of people will get sick, about 20% of those will require ICU admission. Amd many are very slow to recover, some have yet to recover.
Someone may have the sniffles, not think anything of it, and pass it to someone who is weeks and months recovering. Thats why the issue is so important. Amd when you're gambling with your health, a 20% chance of getting really sick should make anyone pause and consider if what they're are abkut to go out and do is really worth it or not.

That's for many illnesses. We can send ourselves into anxiety and so forth because one day we don't think about sniffles for allergies that we wake up (aka, short period of time) and think that same sniffle could be there virus. The interval is too short. Highly congested areas it makes more sense. As a whole, it's sounds more fear. Nothing wrong with fear. Some accept it others don't but the negativity.

 

[PureX]

Two 14 year old boys died after running with masks. Don't assume you know everything about their safety, especially during intense exercise.

And three million 14 year old boys did not die by running with masks on. So, a VERY RARE possibility. Also, how were they not smart enough to take take masks off?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's for many illnesses. We can send ourselves into anxiety and so forth because one day we don't think about sniffles for allergies that we wake up (aka, short period of time) and think that same sniffle could be there virus. The interval is too short. Highly congested areas it makes more sense. As a whole, it's sounds more fear. Nothing wrong with fear. Some accept it others don't but the negativity.

Most diseases aren't new and requiring us to learn to treat them as on the go. It's not fear. It's called being sane and rational. Epidemics come and go. Treatments are improving. No one who's opinion matters on the subject is saying a vaccine won't happen.
And with Covid, its spreads like wildfire. It spreads very easily. Many may not die, but a chunk of them will likely get very sick, several will need intensive cate.

 

[metis]

Go to the Secretary of State's office with a signed letter from one's physician, and then carry it and be ready to show it at the door.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Most diseases aren't new and requiring us to learn to treat them as on the go. It's not fear. It's called being sane and rational. Epidemics come and go. Treatments are improving. No one who's opinion matters on the subject is saying a vaccine won't happen.
And with Covid, its spreads like wildfire. It spreads very easily. Many may not die, but a chunk of them will likely get very sick, several will need intensive cate.

Anything new causing deaths to thousands that brings up so much political strife and negativity over stuff like masks have fear involved. A lot of fear can be justified (so it doesn't mean one is insane. One can be afraid and be completely rational; natural human response to danger and uncertainity).

Being an old disease doesn't make it less important when it comes to people having risk of catching it and dying from it compare to the virus. The point isn't to categorize which disease is worse off than the other and which can be treated. People die faster from some sorts of cancer than they do from the virus (and this is generalizing since we don't know all the diseases in the world that are worse off than this virus).

I may get defensive but I'm not a pessimist and one-sided person at heart. Maybe I should be angry at people who don't like masks or belittle trump etc, but that's just not my thing. A lot of things don't make sense but what can I do...