McCarthy has been removed as Speaker of the House.

[anna.]

So it appears that the Democrats voted with the MAGA Republicans to oust McCarthy. So they either agree with the MAGA Republicans or they just are playing politics to make the Republican look bad. Pretty ****ty way to govern the country isn't it.....party before country.

Don't blame Democrats for the war within the GOP, that's on the GOP alone - the establishment dealing with a MAGA that wanted to burn it all down, even if they self-immolated in the doing. As Minority Speaker Hakim Jeffries said, it's not on Democrats to save Republicans from themselves.

 

[F1fan]

So it appears that the Democrats voted with the MAGA Republicans to oust McCarthy. So they either agree with the MAGA Republicans or they just are playing politics to make the Republican look bad. Pretty ****ty way to govern the country isn't it.....party before country.

What do you think Democrats owe Republicans? MAGAs are Republicans, and if they can't be reasoned with then it is a problem among conservatives. Can you name a Republican who can be trusted by the majority of the House, both sides? You do realize the MAGAs are going to cause trouble no matter who it is, yes?

 

[crossfire]

We finally agree on something! You are correct, the (D)'s secretly want to have a solid MAGA face in the GOP to oppose in the coming election.

Do you really think the Democrats will support Jim Jordan for Speaker of the House? Do you think even the mainstream Republicans will?

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

No Democrats voted for McCarthy back in January...and traditionally, the party in power does not seek nor receive support from the minority party in selecting the Speaker. McCarthy had not done anything that would appeal to the Dems except his panicked acceptance of the last-minute CR last weekend. So no, the Dems had no interest nor obligation in getting involved in the GOP's chaos.

 

[Colt]

Do you really think the Democrats will support Jim Jordan for Speaker of the House? Do you think even the mainstream Republicans will?

Im not sure what they will do.

 

[esmith]

Do you really think the Democrats will support Jim Jordan for Speaker of the House? Do you think even the mainstream Republicans will?

No, and this goes for any nomination the Republicans put fwd. The Democrats will vote in lock-step as they always do. The Democrats prefer to see the Republicans in disaray than do the job they were sent to Congress to do.

 

[Soandso]

No, and this goes for any nomination the Republicans put fwd. The Democrats will vote in lock-step as they always do. The Democrats prefer to see the Republicans in disaray than do the job they were sent to Congress to do.

To be fair, it's not the democrats job to help republicans with their own weakness, especially when republicans have the majority. The party's infighting will prevent them from getting anything meaningful done

 

[crossfire]

No, and this goes for any nomination the Republicans put fwd. The Democrats will vote in lock-step as they always do. The Democrats prefer to see the Republicans in disaray than do the job they were sent to Congress to do.

Who has been the ones disrupting the job congress critters are supposed to do? I don't think you can blame the disruptions on the democrats in this case.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Just moments ago -- the first ever removed by a House vote. So, who will the next Speaker be?

Someone worse.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Don't blame Democrats for the war within the GOP, that's on the GOP alone - the establishment dealing with a MAGA that wanted to burn it all down, even if they self-immolated in the doing. As Minority Speaker Hakim Jeffries said, it's not on Democrats to save Republicans from themselves.

Democrats are the ones who created Maga and brought Trump to power through their arrogance and sanctimonious behavior.

 

[crossfire]

Democrats are the ones who created Maga and brought Trump to power through their arrogance and sanctimonious behavior.

I'm curious why you used the word sanctimonious here.

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sanctimonious​

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1. making a hypocritical show of religious devotion, piety, righteousness, etc. They resented his sanctimonious comments on immorality in America.
2. Obsolete. holy; sacred.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Just moments ago -- the first ever removed by a House vote. So, who will the next Speaker be?

Someone worse.

It's beginning to look like a game of chicken.

Electing Jordan would be remarkable, and remarkably destructive. Electing anyone left of Jordan would likely lead to a repeat of the McCarthy takedown. All of this assumes that the Democrats will stay united which, in and of itself, would be remarkable.

 

[Soandso]

I'm curious why you used the word sanctimonious here.

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sanctimonious​

[ sangk-tuh-moh-nee-uhs ]SHOW IPA

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adjective

1. making a hypocritical show of religious devotion, piety, righteousness, etc. They resented his sanctimonious comments on immorality in America.
2. Obsolete. holy; sacred.

Seems to describe maga more, honestly

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, and this goes for any nomination the Republicans put fwd. The Democrats will vote in lock-step as they always do. The Democrats prefer to see the Republicans in disaray than do the job they were sent to Congress to do.

You mean like how the Reps broke that ground and refused to let Obama have his rightful Supreme Court nomination?
Like it or not the Reps have only themselves to blame.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Democrats are the ones who created Maga and brought Trump to power through their arrogance and sanctimonious behavior.

Yes, blame everyone else. Point the finger everywhere else. Accept no blame or shame for yourself because your own dysfunction must he the fault of another.

 

[Bthoth]

So it appears that the Democrats voted with the MAGA Republicans to oust McCarthy. So they either agree with the MAGA Republicans or they just are playing politics to make the Republican look bad. Pretty ****ty way to govern the country isn't it.....party before country.

MAGA is not conservative, they just like to use the term. Just as christians use the label but how many actually follow the acts of Jesus and show tolerance and empathy?

I didn't like McCarthy before he became speaker. Had nothing to do with party.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

FWIW, the following Washinhton Post analysis is intriguing (assuming, of course, that you can access it):

An ideologically extreme caucus mulls electing a more-extreme leader​

It summarizes ...

It seems at this point more likely that Scalise will win the speakership than Jordan. The current majority leader has less baggage than McCarthy did and holds more appeal for further-right legislators in the caucus. This is a good distillation of Republican politics at the moment: The consensus candidate who might be acceptable to both the very hard right and the rest of the caucus would still be the most ideologically extreme speaker in at least 50 years.​

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, blame everyone else. Point the finger everywhere else. Accept no blame or shame for yourself because your own dysfunction must he the fault of another.

I rest my case.

 

[anna.]

AOC on the McCarthy debacle:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC

"Contrary to how McCarthy’s defenders are behaving, men failing up is not a Constitutionally protected right. The man made risky decisions and faced the natural consequences of them. I am not his mom, and my job is not to put pool noodles around hard corners for Republicans."

 

[Copernicus]

So it appears that the Democrats voted with the MAGA Republicans to oust McCarthy. So they either agree with the MAGA Republicans or they just are playing politics to make the Republican look bad. Pretty ****ty way to govern the country isn't it.....party before country.

Are you trying to convince anyone that Republicans in Congress are putting the country ahead of politics? McCarthy lost his speakership because he let Democrats vote on the stopgap funding bill to keep the government from shutting down. It's the Republicans who wanted the government to shut down unless they got their way. In fact, can anyone think of a time when a looming shutdown was not the result of Republican partisan maneuvering? Republicans should stop whining about Democrats playing politics when they don't demand the same from themselves.

Good riddance to McCarthy. What the Democrats proved was that the Republicans are so dysfunctional that they can't even agree on a House speaker when they hold a reasonably comfortable majority of the seats. Not a single Democrat voted to put McCarthy in as speaker in the first place. Now Republicans complain that Democrats were not voting to keep him there this time around. If they want to be in total control, then they need to keep locking Democrats out of any role in bills that come before the House. Elect a speaker who can do that for themselves, or stop complaining that Democrats won't help them do it.

The solution to the dilemma that Republicans face is simple. Some of the few remaining moderate House Republicans should go to Hakeem Jeffries and offer concessions to put one of their members in the speakership. That would essentially form a bipartisan leadership in the House and lead to compromises that could actually get something done for the country. Republicans should grow up and learn how to govern when they hold a slim majority. Democrats have learned that in the Senate. Republicans need to do it in the House.