Measuring Value

[Orias]

So what do you think "value" is measured with.

Is it sentiment?

How you feel in the moment?

How the object is performing now?

How the object performed then?

How true it is?

(etc)

And after we determine what exactly it is measured with how does apply to truth?

Is "truth" more literal than metaphorical (or vice versa)?

What is the difference between a literal truth, and a metaphorical truth? And how are these "truths" ultimately measured to determine value?

 

[Quintessence]

Value is measured on a subjective basis by individuals. What determines their subjective valuation is culture, experience, and environment. As a truth, it is as subjective as the process used to determine it. Value judgements are never objective truth (what perhaps you're calling "literal truth") and that is precisely why they are kept out of science. Technically, it's a bit more complicated than that, but also probably beyond the scope of this thread. It suffices to say humans can't help themselves when it comes to making value judgements and part of training to be a good scientist is learning to recognize when you make them them (since it compromises objectivity).

 

[Father Heathen]

Supply and demand.

 

[Orias]

Value is measured on a subjective basis by individuals. What determines their subjective valuation is culture, experience, and environment. As a truth, it is as subjective as the process used to determine it. Value judgements are never objective truth (what perhaps you're calling "literal truth") and that is precisely why they are kept out of science. Technically, it's a bit more complicated than that, but also probably beyond the scope of this thread. It suffices to say humans can't help themselves when it comes to making value judgements and part of training to be a good scientist is learning to recognize when you make them them (since it compromises objectivity).

From what I'm getting from this I think of electoral colleges, but concerning the value of something, currency, material objects, etc etc.

Supply and demand.

What about it?

 

[F0uad]

I think real values come from Family and Religion that's why maybe America is losing it? ^_^

 

[idav]

Value is based on importance and usefulness of the individual or group assigning the value. Truth is only of value as far as being able to utilize it for a purpose. Wisdom is of more value than knowledge itself.

 

[Storm]

Value can be anything from monetary worth of an object to an individual's moral priorities. Could you be a bit more specific?

 

[Orias]

Value can be anything from monetary worth of an object to an individual's moral priorities. Could you be a bit more specific?

Something more based off of idav's post. The "talent is worthless unless exercised" type thing.

 

[Amechania]

Nothing of any real value is subject to measure.

 

[1137]

Value is pretty much completely subjective / relative. Depends how you use it though. For example, I use the term "truth value" as analogous to the measurement of how much truth a claim, argument, etc has. For example, a mystical experience has no objective truth value: nothing about it can apply as truth to reality external of the mind of the person who had the experience. Meanwhile, science has much objective truth value.

 

[Quintessence]

Nothing of any real value is subject to measure.

Wait. So... the entire universe has no value? We can measure the stars, our planet, the oceans, the sky, the plants, animals, ourselves... none of that has value? Are you a nihilist by chance?

 

[Me Myself]

Value is as true as you enjoy it.

If you are not enjoying it, it has lost value. Or well, if you don´t have it, it could have risen in value for al the much you are not enjoying it

 

[oldbadger]

So what do you think "value" is measured with.

Is it sentiment?

How you feel in the moment?

How the object is performing now?

How the object performed then?

How true it is?

(etc)

And after we determine what exactly it is measured with how does apply to truth?

Is "truth" more literal than metaphorical (or vice versa)?

What is the difference between a literal truth, and a metaphorical truth? And how are these "truths" ultimately measured to determine value?

Hi....... I've been thinking about 'value'all day, whilst I was labouring, and then all this (and more) just flashed across my mind. It seemed so clear for a fraction of a second, and then I lost it. (typical!) Here is what I have tried to grasp back from that moment:-

Value is viewed (weighed?) by most people subjectively.
To a spiritless materialistic mind nothing has enough value. More will always be needed in a never ending agonised grasping. Everything will be weighed as 'not much'. Anger, greed and discontent remove the ability to measure value.

But I suspect that those closest to 'absolute truth' view value objectively.
I suspect that for a person moving towards the end of the great spiritual journey, every single particle, and every single energy.... has value. That means that very single creature, rock or thing, and every single action or event ...... that has ever been...... has value.
(I suspect) that means that every single, catastrophe, plague, war, murder, virus or death.... has value to a totally spiritual person.
(I suspect) that means that (to a spiritual 'flyer') every person, regardless of their faith, culture, religion, creed, honesty, decency, has value to them.

Further to that, I suspect that the value of these things and actions is greater than themselves. I suspect that God is constantly gaining value. I suspect that those of great spirit are content, no matter where they are, what is happening to them, how they are being treated, etc, and material wealth (ownership) has no value for them, and yet every part of everything they perceive has extreme value.

 

[Amechania]

Wait. So... the entire universe has no value? We can measure the stars, our planet, the oceans, the sky, the plants, animals, ourselves... none of that has value? Are you a nihilist by chance?

No, not a nihilist.
You can place a value on anything, but does that price reflect it's intrinsic worth? Does it even have an intrinsic value? What price a mind? How much for the sweat and tears? What's the going rate on a dream? Is the marble from which the David was cut of any real value, except in the rock market? Is the David priceless because of it's stunning beauty? Or does it transcend value because it is Michaelangelo's?

 

[Quintessence]

No, not a nihilist.
You can place a value on anything, but does that price reflect it's intrinsic worth? Does it even have an intrinsic value? What price a mind? How much for the sweat and tears? What's the going rate on a dream? Is the marble from which the David was cut of any real value, except in the rock market? Is the David priceless because of it's stunning beauty? Or does it transcend value because it is Michaelangelo's?

Ah, I was not thinking "price" as in monetary value or worth when you mentioned measuring things. When I think measuring things, I think length, width, depth, weight, amongst other quantities. >_>

So I was a bit confused there, naturally.

 

[Willamena]

Per this article, value is measured by something, some quality, property or feature, and then if asked what gives that thing value, a third thing will be brought in to explain it, and so on--each thing supplying value to the thing before it. "Beauty" might lend value to a judgement of "good," but then something lends value to a judgement of "beauty." But "real value," if there is an original value that starts this chain, would have nothing behind it, nothing to lend value to it. It is value for value's sake, so to speak.

It is quality.

 

[Orias]

I think for the fact that we can accurately measure and mathematically equate distances and sizes of physical objects in space means we have an inherit value within us that allows us to basically act as amplified DNA.

Because if you think about it, everything is DNA, it is a memory, something that we already inherently know which is why we are capable of recalling it and even predicting it.

 

[Father Heathen]

I think real values come from Family and Religion that's why maybe America is losing it? ^_^

If America gets any worse it might be almost as bad as Morocco. ^_^

 

[Gui10]

Value is objective, but social perception make it subjective. Even yourself does not know your own value. It also goes without saying that if you do not value yourself, you are probably closer to unvaluable, vice versa.

 

[1137]

I think for the fact that we can accurately measure and mathematically equate distances and sizes of physical objects in space means we have an inherit value within us that allows us to basically act as amplified DNA.

Because if you think about it, everything is DNA, it is a memory, something that we already inherently know which is why we are capable of recalling it and even predicting it.

This makes no sense.