Yeah, I do think there is something to say about dressing modestly. There's nothing wrong with being attractive and I would never force women to dress a certain way, but women can command more respect and develop appropriate self-esteem when they don't make their bodies the focal point (I mean as much as that is possible since a defined figure still shows). I also don't think they should have to cover their faces, but rather the face should be the focal point, especially the eyes as portals into one's soul. I guess I take a position of moderation, as in most things.
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Men in the West are dressed in full; women are dressed half , quarter or less
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Yeah, I do think there is something to say about dressing modestly. There's nothing wrong with being attractive and I would never force women to dress a certain way, but women can command more respect and develop appropriate self-esteem when they don't make their bodies the focal point (I mean as much as that is possible since a defined figure still shows). I also don't think they should have to cover their faces, but rather the face should be the focal point, especially the eyes as portals into one's soul. I guess I take a position of moderation, as in most things.
At least during the summer
.It's probably just best to assume all guys are creepy until one proves otherwise via their actions and words.
An advantage to dressing modestly is that gals won't have to complain, "Hey! Eyes up here, bub!".
I agree. I also take this position.
In my unprofessional and completely ignorant opinion, I think media has a little to do with it. Women with little cloths tend to be a little slutty in movies and so on. So people get that image that less cloths on women means she will sleep with anyone. Or something. I really dont know what I am talking about, just guessing.
And for what its worth, some of us guys do look for mature and stable women. Because I am who I am, I dont think I could be happy with anything less.
I think the media is the main influence. You are completely right.
I think that mature and intelligent men can be really great and exceptions to what I've been talking about. And I think RF has a lot of those great men. RF is a place that attracts and retains thinkers and thinkers are generally more mature and intelligent than non-thinkers. So it doesn't surprise me that just about every guy, from what I can tell, who is posting on this thread, are really decent men
Yes, even the most decent men may have difficulty avoiding a cheeky glance at open cleavage. Although, I think even straight women tend to check each other out. It's like an eye magnet. I feel proud and in control when I avoid looking, but yet I'm still aware of it when it's obvious. Women dressing modestly does help a lot haha.
I'm trying to think how to relate this to science and religion...
I think it shows that people care way too much about what women wear, and that men aren't as pressed by dress code as women are in many cultures.
Think about it: when men are "dressed in full" and women are "dressed in half, quarter, or less," the women's dress code gets more attention and is sometimes used to sexually objectify them.
When both men and women are "dressed in full," the women's dress code still seems to get more attention and scrutiny from society as to meet certain criteria set forth by culture and/or society.
Personally, I think this would be much less of an issue if more men focused on their own wardrobes and less on women's.
Think about it: when men are "dressed in full" and women are "dressed in half, quarter, or less," the women's dress code gets more attention and is sometimes used to sexually objectify them.
When both men and women are "dressed in full," the women's dress code still seems to get more attention and scrutiny from society as to meet certain criteria set forth by culture and/or society.
Personally, I think this would be much less of an issue if more men focused on their own wardrobes and less on women's.
I agree with Trey. The men are over-dressed.
I choose to wear what I want, and what *I* have noticed is that some men will hoot and holler no matter WHAT I wear, if it's considered modest or not.
What I have also noticed is that if a man hoots and hollers, it isn't because of me or what I provoke. It's entirely HIM and his choice to be a little brat. I refuse to take responsibility for HIS actions.
Consider this.....I myself enjoy looking at women as much as my fellow heterosexual male. I don't go out of my way to make comments, yell, pump my fist, high five, etc. when I see a woman wearing revealing clothing. My husband doesn't either.
Let me put it this way, I dress how I want and speak my mind. Period. I teach my daughter the same thing, and at 13 years old, she has no self-image issues. She's always asking me why her friends think they're fat and ugly, though.
AND, she dresses how she wants, too. I encourage it, because she's exploring her style and her shape. Most of the time, it's funky longer skirts with knee-high mismatched socks and a silver sparkle hat, but I digress.
I do ask the panel here who are so quick to judge....when did nudity automatically equate to sex?
I choose to wear what I want, and what *I* have noticed is that some men will hoot and holler no matter WHAT I wear, if it's considered modest or not.
What I have also noticed is that if a man hoots and hollers, it isn't because of me or what I provoke. It's entirely HIM and his choice to be a little brat. I refuse to take responsibility for HIS actions.
Consider this.....I myself enjoy looking at women as much as my fellow heterosexual male. I don't go out of my way to make comments, yell, pump my fist, high five, etc. when I see a woman wearing revealing clothing. My husband doesn't either.
Let me put it this way, I dress how I want and speak my mind. Period. I teach my daughter the same thing, and at 13 years old, she has no self-image issues. She's always asking me why her friends think they're fat and ugly, though.
AND, she dresses how she wants, too. I encourage it, because she's exploring her style and her shape. Most of the time, it's funky longer skirts with knee-high mismatched socks and a silver sparkle hat, but I digress.
I do ask the panel here who are so quick to judge....when did nudity automatically equate to sex?
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
I agree with Trey. The men are over-dressed.
I choose to wear what I want, and what *I* have noticed is that some men will hoot and holler no matter WHAT I wear, if it's considered modest or not.
What I have also noticed is that if a man hoots and hollers, it isn't because of me or what I provoke. It's entirely HIM and his choice to be a little brat. I refuse to take responsibility for HIS actions.
Consider this.....I myself enjoy looking at women as much as my fellow heterosexual male. I don't go out of my way to make comments, yell, pump my fist, high five, etc. when I see a woman wearing revealing clothing. My husband doesn't either.
Let me put it this way, I dress how I want and speak my mind. Period. I teach my daughter the same thing, and at 13 years old, she has no self-image issues. She's always asking me why her friends think they're fat and ugly, though.
AND, she dresses how she wants, too. I encourage it, because she's exploring her style and her shape. Most of the time, it's funky longer skirts with knee-high mismatched socks and a silver sparkle hat, but I digress.
I do ask the panel here who are so quick to judge....when did nudity automatically equate to sex?
^^ This ^^
Especially this part.
But the rest is pretty cool too.
Zoe Doidge
Basically a Goddess
I don’t know about the rest of the world but here in the UK I see quite a variety of different clothing styles, different women will dress according to their own tastes, and different occasions will prompt us to dress differently too. All it shows it that people have different personalities.
The media is not responsible for a trend towards revealing clothing, public perception is. If everyone thought, “OMG that woman in this magazine looks disgusting!” no girl in her right mind would be thinking “I need to dress like this to be cool!”
At the end of day it’s none of my business how other women dress. They can wear a full on burka or walk down the streets naked for all I care, as long as they don’t try to tell me what I should be wearing.
The media is not responsible for a trend towards revealing clothing, public perception is. If everyone thought, “OMG that woman in this magazine looks disgusting!” no girl in her right mind would be thinking “I need to dress like this to be cool!”
At the end of day it’s none of my business how other women dress. They can wear a full on burka or walk down the streets naked for all I care, as long as they don’t try to tell me what I should be wearing.
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I don't think you're referring to me, but you have to admit that it would be pretty distracting if everyone walked around naked. Maybe we would become desensitized to it?
paarsurrey
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Please read post # 2 in the thread.
I don't think you're referring to me, but you have to admit that it would be pretty distracting if everyone walked around naked. Maybe we would become desensitized to it?
I've been through such a scenario. It's distracting for about 5 minutes.
It's seriously VERY easy to acclimate to being nude around other people in a non-sexual manner.
My husband came to visit me backstage for a few of my shows when I performed regularly. At first, he didn't know what to think seeing half-naked men and women walking around the makeup alley getting ready for performances. He was witnessing a strange phenomenon culturally.....nudity without any sexual overtones. It didn't take long for him either.
Yeah, you do make a good point about the sexual overtones being cultural. I suppose many tribal folks live perfectly fine with it on a daily basis. The main thing isn't what we wear, but how we discipline our minds to respect others.
I think there's enough -- more than enough -- pushing in this world, and that women should not need to worry about what the local prude thinks they should be wearing.
