METHODIST CHURCH IS ACCESORY TO GENOCIDE. (In the George W. Bush police state).

[totalfreedom]

George W. Bush has created a police state that is a menace to the free world, or what remains of it, thanks to the Patriot Act fascist legislation passed in his therm, after 9-11, and it is said (and documented) that it was his government the creators of 9-11. He is a member of the Methodist Church, a Church who has not taken the steps necessary to bring him to justice or excomunicate him, becoming with that an acessory to genocide.



The 9-11 atack is said to be a creation of his gobernment.



Ref:

“GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT IN TERRORIST ATTACKS
Attack on America: Controlled Chaos for Global Dehumanization!
Resources -- Articles Sited by Alex Jones During His Broadcasts Regarding the Terrorist Attacks on the US”

http://infowars.com/resources.html



His Patriot Act Leguislation is the birth of a Police State:



“TOTAL POLICE STATE TAKEOVER
The Secret Patriot Act II Destroys What Is Left of American Liberty

A Brief Analysis of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003, Also Known as Patriot Act II
By Alex Jones
www.infowars.com
(Posted Feb 10, 2003)”

http://infowars.com/print/patriot_act/alexs_analysis.htm



George W. Bush is a Methodist:



“Religious beliefs and practices

"Between the years 1984 and 1986 Bush and his closest friends describe him as having both an experience of religious conversion, as well as an experience that enabled him to attain sobriety from his admitted drinking problems. Apparently these conversion experiences included two meetings with two evangelists. The first meeting occured ca. 1984 and was with evangelist Arthur Blessitt. The second meeting was with evangelist Billy Graham in 1985 [12]. During these years he left the Episcopal Church and joined his wife's denomination, the United Methodist Church, which was noted for its more conservative leanings. This decision probably reflected Bush's conversion experience during these years, prompting him to move towards a faith community that embraced a more conservative religious belief system.



“Currently Bush is known for his private daily morning Bible study periods, and for the Thursday lunch Bible study meetings which he sponsors at the White House. While he invariably shies away from directly discussing the particulars of his faith, he is known to generally advocate conservative Christian religious values.”



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush



He is obviously a false Methodist, a false reborn christian, he is… a genocidal, and the Methodist church is being acesory to genocide.



I don’t want another 9-11, another New Orleans, no more wars to rided them with “depleted” Uranium. I want him before the International Criminal Court.

 

[Bennettresearch]

Are you aware that Bill and Hillary Clinton are Methodists also? Hmmmm.

 

[s2a]

totalfreedom said:

Um...nevermind what he said...

Oh my.

How refreshing to witness a virgin poster that presents a premised argument free of rhetoric or hyperbole!

Or...was that in another thread?

[Note: For the unintiated, totalfreedom's referenced/linked sources are compliments of the happy paranoid rantings of a (readily discredited) conspiracy theorist named Alex Jones (who's credibility is unimpeachable[!], since Jones has both his own local cable access show and a radio program to spew his meretricious manifestos to an eager and disaffected audience of similarly-minded cranks and kooks that obviously have waaay too much free time, and too little common sense and critical thinking).

Of course, your first clue may have been the entitled "Methodist Church is accessory to genocide!" (Bold type means the claim is suspect - ALL CAPS of course means that it's TRUE!).

Most normal folks won't even bother to expend the time and energy to deconstruct and debunk Jones's most spurious and specious claims...and that's what keeps he and his devoted ilk self-gratifyingly self-sustaining in their delusional realm of "secret governments" and "men in black".

Yet...a few brave souls have ventured debunking rebuttals of Jones' conspiracy claims, and I'll be pleased to offer referenced titles and sources for any folks expressing a tortured continuing interest in such...]

Now...where did I leave my latest issue of the "World Weekly News"?

[PPS - I am of the most assured opinion, based upon the overwhelming (and still mounting) evidence, that the current Bush administration is far too incompetent and narrow-minded in irrational immutable ideology to sustain (much less successfully cover-up) any conspiracy. True (successful) conspiracies require guile, wit, forethought, and exacting execution - none of which are evinced by Bush and Co. (unless of course, they cleverly want us to think they're consistently: incompentent; stupid; and wrong, which is veritable evil genius I suppose...
Possible? Of course.
Plausible or likely?
I think not...even from the blind perspective of a bleeding-heart, atheist, social progressive like myself. ;-)]

 

[totalfreedom]

Yes Benett, I'm aware. During Clinton's term the "Siberia Bill" (Easy seizure of all) was passed.

Looks like the methodists have heavy crimes.

 

[totalfreedom]

2Sa, maybe you are not only a methodist but a teacher there.

"Most normal folks won't even bother to expend the time and energy to deconstruct and debunk Jones's most spurious and specious claims..."

Then you are not a normal folk. ja ja ja.

"and that's what keeps he and his devoted ilk self-gratifyingly self-sustaining in their delusional realm of "secret governments" and "men in black".

He shows evidence with mainstream media articles. You are calling the mainstream media delissional, ok, you do provide proof of your accusaton.

 

[totalfreedom]

"Martial Law: Police State America - We're So Close Now
Special Report:Katrina/Rita Fallout Part One

"Infowars | September 27, 2005
By Steve Watson

"For years we have warned that the police state is coming, how Martial Law will become the norm, how ancient laws, rights and freedoms are being overturned and replaced with repressive mechanisms of control.

"For years we have presented the evidence, the Army War College documents, the domestic military takeover drills, the draconian legislation, officials left right and centre calling for more centralized military control domestically.

"For years people refuted the evidence, or passed it off as being intended for something else, or simply refused to believe it. Now everything we warned you about is happening."


George W. Bush, William Klinton and HIllary are true genozidal characters, and they are Methodists all.

So far we have presented the George W. Bush Police state. in the Klinton era the "Siberia Bill" (easy zeisure of anybody) was passed. And Hillary... she is a strong advocate for the drugging of schoolchildren with addictive medication, like Ritalin (Methilphenidate).

 

[totalfreedom]

Reference:

http://infowars.com/articles/ps/ps_america_martial_law.htm

 

[greatcalgarian]

There are many conspiracists that come up with many anti-US stand. This one may be more objective, but anti-war sentiment is in there bountiful:
http://globalresearch.ca/
For example, here Canada is also turning into a police state:
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=region&regionId=2
And this is another on Oil Empire theory:
http://www.oilempire.us/

In short, there are no shortage of very bemusing web pages to read, but it is important for anyone reading these pages to shieve out the truth from half truth or distorted truth.

 

[greatcalgarian]

This is another interesting half truth web page on Bush

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm#Table

 

[mr.guy]

I agree. The verifiable truth is damning enough.

 

[s2a]

2Sa, maybe you are not only a methodist but a teacher there.

Maybe not. I'm an atheist. Pay attention. I now claim an excess of 150 searchable and referencable posts with this forum. You are invited and welcome to illustrate any of these as even marginally supportive of your ignorant (and asinine) supposition.

I said:
"Most normal folks won't even bother to expend the time and energy to deconstruct and debunk Jones's most spurious and specious claims..."

Then you are not a normal folk. ja ja ja.

Touché. Well met then.

Continuting the thought, I said:
"...and that's what keeps he and his devoted ilk self-gratifyingly self-sustaining in their delusional realm of "secret governments" and "men in black".

He shows evidence with mainstream media articles. You are calling the mainstream media delissional, ok, you do provide proof of your accusaton.

[Note: No one should confuse crank conspiracy-theorist Alex Jones with the serious journalist and Pulitzer prize-winning author Alex S. Jones, whose biography actually lends credibility and substance to his erudite media analysis and critical review. http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2000/04.20/shorenstein.html ]

Argument from Authority - Just because Jones' paranoid rantings have appeared (or been referenced) in "mainstream media articles", this should not suggest to you or anyone else that such "mainstream media" either supports or validates Jones' claims. Recounting claims is certainly not tantamount to authenticating claims. The "mainstream media" often recounts idotic statements from the likes of Pat Robertson (as example). Such accountings should never be inferred as validation or condonement of Robertson's claims or statements as veritable or factual (or even worthy of mild consideration).

Willful mischaracterization (in manifestation of a Strawman) - I did not state, suggest, or infer that "mainstream media" was delusional; I implicitly said that adherents of Mr. Jones' conspiracy theories were delusional. I repeat that assertion (with expected affirmation compliments of your fallacy-laden rebuttal).

You request that I provide "proof" that Alex Jones is a crank conspiracy-theorist?
Sorry.
That is a subjective evaluation/conclusion left to each individual to discern for themselves, predicated upon available facts and contradictory (corroberated) eviedence. To "label" someone as an "insignificant kook" is to render a purely subjective evaluation...not unlike qualifying beauty, art, intelligence, charisma, or personal character.

All I can offer is evaluations that succintly demonstrate that Mr. Jones' claims are unfounded, unmerited, specious, or just plain stupid. Some will see what they want to see, and disregard the rest (like any true zealot or "true believer"); and others will carefully weigh the validity of claims versus legitimacy and strength of support.

I am of the opinion, beyond a reasonable doubt (based upon the earmnestly provided claims, and subsequently evaluative credible contrarian evidence) that Alex Jones and his loyal adherents are conspiracy-theory kooks of the first order, and thusly incapable (and unworthy) of engaging serious topical debate.

"Shhhh! Listen! Hear that?"

"Nope"

"Me neither."

"That proves it!"

"Must be those stealth-mode, police-state helicopters circling again..."

 

[Bennettresearch]

Yes Benett, I'm aware. During Clinton's term the "Siberia Bill" (Easy seizure of all) was passed.

Looks like the methodists have heavy crimes.

:biglaugh: All this time I thought it was the Baptists!!:biglaugh:


Note: just a joke, nothing against the Baptists.

 

[totalfreedom]

with all this glib explanation, you offer no evidence of your acussations.


You are a sheme even to real atheists, that support their clemis.

 

[s2a]

totalfreedom said:

with all this glib explanation, you offer no evidence of your acussations[sic].

There's really very little need, since you have previously provided most of the (referenced and linked) supportive "evidence" that Alex Jones is unquestionably a crank (he does indeed "speak for himself"). All one need bring is skeptical inquiry and critical thinking (with a ripe sense of humor) to best and fully appreciate the paranoid rantings of the flamboyant Mr. Jones, in order to draw their own independant conclusions

"You are a sheme[sic] even to real atheists, that support their clemis[sic?]."

Oh, however will I bear the disgrace amongst "real" atheists ever again?
Such personal ignominy to endure, such mortifying opprobrium to overcome...

...such...wishful thinking on your part.

In gratitude, I extend similar sympathies in your regard. May the support for your "clemis" validate your status amongst your similarly-minded peers.

I have no motivation (nor inclination) to disabuse you of your, um..."opinions" regarding the varied conspiracies that you wish to proffer as "fact" and "truth", for they are fundamentally no different than any zealous adherence to religious belief.

There is little or no "proof" I could offer you that would persuade you that Mr. Jones' most deeply held convictions/conclusions are speculative (albeit sad, yet fancifully entertaining) bunk. You could of course, present a favored pet conspiracy/theory, and qualify what "proof" you would deem/require as to be demonstrably falsifying (beyond reasonable doubt). I predict that you either can not, or will not. Shame me once more, in proving me wrong in my prognostication.
[P.S. There's a spell-checker built-in to the forum reply page. You might find it useful, and others might take you a tad more seriously (though I doubt it) if you would invest the minimal time and effort to actually proof-read your posts before hitting that "submit" button next time around.]

--------------------------

For any that are still bothering with this thread, just some tidbits on the colorful Alex Jones, and so forth:

Alex Jones is Wrong on London Terror Drill
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/alex-jones-is-wrong-on-london-terror.html

A Word About Alex Jones...
http://www.politicalhobbyist.com/debunked/alexjones.html

9/11: Debunking The Myths
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

...and about "conspiracy theories" in general, and the adherents that "truly believe".

Conspiracy Theories (Why do people believe/accept dumb things?)
http://atheism.about.com/library/weekly/aa092299.htm?terms=conspiracy+theories

More Conspiracy: Masons, Illuminati, and the New World Order
http://atheism.about.com/library/weekly/aa092299b.htm

[Gee...I sure hope the "real" atheists will forgive my referencing their works...]

 

[Feathers in Hair]

t
Oh, however will I bear the disgrace amongst "real" atheists ever again?
Such personal ignominy to endure, such mortifying opprobrium to overcome...

I feel the only emoticon that fits this response is... :biglaugh:

Ah, if only theists were the only ones subject to the 'you're not a real ____' claim. Quite frankly, it looks all the more odd when used on an atheist.

 

[totalfreedom]

Good...

So you do have some IQ after all.

Good references that you provide...

By the way, do you know what was the greatest weapon of Hitler? The incredible was his weapon. Nobody would suspect what were doing his saboteur agents in Europe, because it was incredible. You do use the same weapon. "Do not believe Alex Johns... his claims are not beliebable!... nevermind, the death camp conspiracy theory was a reality.

You say: "[Gee...I sure hope the "real" atheists will forgive my referencing their works...]"

Shure they will not.

 

[greatcalgarian]

s2a:

9/11: Debunking The Myths
http://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...se/1227842.html

There are many articles debunking the popularmechanics as well
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm
http://911review.com/pm/markup/
and by Alex himself:
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/090305alexresponds.htm
No end to the arguement, facts and fallacy, who knows what is the truth?:banghead3

This is a link on 9/11 from another perspective:
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO404C.html
by Michel Chossudovsky

 

[s2a]

totalfreedom said:

"Good...

So you do have some IQ after all."

Well jeez, what a comforting validation from an enlightened intellectual such as yourself.

Good references that you provide...

And compounded non sequitur fallacious rationale in defense is poor rebuttal...

By the way, do you know what was the greatest weapon of Hitler?

Whups. I invoke Godwin's Law. You lose.

I predict that "Guy's corollary" ("If a Usenet discussion mentions Godwin's law as a conterrebuttal to a mention of Hitler/Nazis, then the probability of Godwin's law being disputed is equal to 1", ie., virtually certain) will be evoked by you in defense.

The incredible was his weapon. Nobody would suspect what were doing his saboteur agents in Europe, because it was incredible. You do use the same weapon. "Do not believe Alex Johns... his claims are not beliebable!... nevermind, the death camp conspiracy theory was a reality.

What's incredible is the number of fallacies employed in proffering such an analogy.

You say: "[Gee...I sure hope the "real" atheists will forgive my referencing their works...]"

Shure they will not.

You know what? I owe you an apology. Despite my experience and better judgment, I indulged your little trollish stink-bomb thread, simply and purely for it's prospective entertainment value.

In my defense, my previous exchanges with firebombing, flame-baiting trolls (not unlike yourself) has unveiled (for the most part) instigators with at least a modicum of intellect; a facility for rudimentary articulated thought; and apt discernment of sardonic subtleties. I considered the possibility that you were yet another one of these misguided and bent souls, and lent you credit which (is now most apparent) was quite undue you. I chose to placate your provocations, and that was wrong. My bad.

I can not continue (in good conscience) to treat with you further. It's patently obvious that you are ill-equipped to even recognize (much less cogently respond to) overt and unsubtle sardonic/sarcastic impugnments of your absurd/asinine claims.

If the entirety of your persona within this thread is all a ruse...an erstwhile feigned caricature of some ignorant rube (um, a "conspiracy" to deceive?)...then you certainly have me convinced of the authenticity in such a clever impersonation of an unequivocal fool.

But if my contemplative (non-conspiratorial) suspicion/conclusion is, in fact true, then your persona is no act, but quite reflectively genuine. If so, as a matter of personal ethics, it is unfair both to you and I...for me to continue in this "exchange". It is poor sport to shoot an unarmed man, or challenge one who can only manage to point his weapon at himself. I concede that witness to self-inflicted (non-fatal) wounds can at moments present some ironic humor, but I'm no sadist...and it eventually becomes tiresome and pointless to whack off yet another limb from the stalwart and steadfast Black Knight, while he refuses to concede that he has no longer has arms left to wield his sword in his own defense.

Oh, btw. I wouldn't count on me being another subscriber to any of your favored conspiracy newsletters.

My advice. Go peddle crazy somewhere else. No vacancy here.

 

[Snowbear]

frubals to s2a for the :biglaugh:

 

[totalfreedom]

s2a, you have there a reply on the PM article.

And I'm afraid you will have to dispense with the atheist sites, they are non scientific. Why? You'll see. Atheism aserts that only mater exists, matherialism. But matter is (according to science) 99.999999999999999999999 per cent empty space. Good. that tells you that matherialism is the biggest faith dogna ever existing in human history.

Do you follow?

So, the trend seems to be that accusations against the George W. Bush police state on genozide, and the Methodist Church being accesory to the crime, geto more solid.