Milo Yiannopoulos = transphobic, homophobic pig!

[The Emperor of Mankind]

You don't.
He's trolling you.

No he's not. What he's doing isn't even technically satirical. He's goading people into a reaction then laughing about it - which is baiting, not satire. That he finds it funny makes the fact that people like him even sadder. The only difference between him and a kid saying mean things to other kids in the playground to laugh at their reactions is their age.

He admits he's trolling you.
Don't feed the trolls.

Milo's using trolling as a convenient excuse for what he really is - an attention whore; what he's really doing is perpetuating stereotypes, unfounded prejudices and outright lies. He's put on a front of being gay and effeminate so people will think he's counter-cultural and will be less likely to question him. He's not really much different from Katie Hopkins here in the UK. She just says outrageous things to stay in the headlines.

 

[Revoltingest]

Part of his message is that our society is too easily triggered. He admits to being a troll and a provocateur. I agree with some of his claims, I disagree with others. And sometimes...

he's gotten me to think more carefully!!!



Agreed, and not totally unearned.

Milo reminds me of....
Camille Paglia
Joan Rivers
Rush Limbaugh
George Carlin
Penn Gillette
Quite a mixed bag, eh.

 

[Notanumber]

Whatever derogatory things he might say about homosexuals, transsexuals, and females, I am sure he has no desire to physically harm them, which is more than can be said about some.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Him as a whole, I already said he ****ed up on that show. Overall he's just a clever guy who tries to make a point with some blunt, mean humor. And yes I admit that it's mean humor, it isn't for everyone, I just happen to get a kick out of his rambunctious personality.

So because he's funny to you that means he's a comedian. Okay.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

As an afterthought: It is my feeling that those who take themselves far too seriously might be easily offended by Milo. He's a rude clown. Get over it.

I don't see why you continue to defend him. He thinks you're disordered and thinks that trans people are "confused", mentally ill and sexual predators.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Perhaps in that department he is simply a bit old fashioned.

"Old fashioned" = spewing hateful, factually incorrect bull**** about trans people which is actually hurting us. I'm very disappointed in you.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Whatever derogatory things he might say about homosexuals, transsexuals, and females, I am sure he has no desire to physically harm them, which is more than can be said about some.

Saying that trans people are sexual predators who want to assault women and children can translate into physical violence when that **** is taken seriously.

 

[icehorse]

"Old fashioned" = spewing hateful, factually incorrect bull**** about trans people which is actually hurting us. I'm very disappointed in you.

SF - Not all social causes are well thought out or productive.

E.g. Milo has said "black lives don't matter to Black Lives Matter". This criticism is well put, grokkable, and might cause some people to think more carefully about that which they sign up for. I would say that I would agree with Milo concerning BLM. I think that movement's energies could be far well better spent - say in protesting for better schools.

That one idea is worth the price of admission, and I'd say it's not his only one. Again, I disagree with some of his ideas, but there are enough good ones to be worth it. And isn't this what free speech is all about?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

SF - Not all social causes are well thought out or productive.

E.g. Milo has said "black lives don't matter to Black Lives Matter". This criticism is well put, grokkable, and might cause some people to think more carefully about that which they sign up for. I would say that I would agree with Milo concerning BLM. I think that movement's energies could be far well better spent - say in protesting for better schools.

That one idea is worth the price of admission, and I'd say it's not his only one. Again, I disagree with some of his ideas, but there are enough good ones to be worth it. And isn't this what free speech is all about?

What does this have to do with what he said about trans people? What deep thoughts am I supposed to have from what he said about us? Please tell me because I'd love to know!

 

[icehorse]

What does this have to do with what he said about trans people? What deep thoughts am I supposed to have from what he said about us? Please tell me because I'd love to know!

I don't know enough about trans people to have an opinion.

All I'm saying is that he's opinionated across many domains, and sometimes his opinions are wheat and sometimes they are chaff, and for me, the wheat is worth putting up with the chaff.

 

[lovesong]

So because he's funny to you that means he's a comedian. Okay.

I looked up the definition of comedian:
an entertainer whose act is designed to make an audience laugh.
He does intend for us (his audience) to laugh, and to think. He wants people to think about the ideas of free speech and censorship, and he does that through his comedic talks. You might not think he's funny, but "makes every person laugh" is not a criterion. Having some people dislike you does not erase your title, or else most of the people in office wouldn't be politicians anymore!

 

[Nietzsche]

So because he's funny to you that means he's a comedian. Okay.

I hate Milo. I think he's a massive cock who should be taken out behind a shed and beaten until he can no longer spell his own name. I don't think he's funny either, or at least, not nearly as funny as he wants to think he is.

But he's not a comedian because...you don't find him funny? I wasn't aware you were the grand arbiter of humour. Where do you get a license for that?

 

[Notanumber]

Saying that trans people are sexual predators who want to assault women and children can translate into physical violence when that **** is taken seriously.

The Quran can translate into physical violence when that **** is taken seriously.

 

[YmirGF]

I don't see why you continue to defend him. He thinks you're disordered and thinks that trans people are "confused", mentally ill and sexual predators.

You know I like you and respect your thoughts, @Saint Frankenstein ...

I don't have to agree with Milo to defend his right to say what he wishes. Full stop.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Evelyn Beatrice Hall

There are some topics we agree on entirely. Other topics not so much.

The best thing to do about Milo is to ignore him. He needs and feeds on the outrage, as proven by his star hardly dimming due to the incident at Berkeley. Heck, he is more famous now because of the speech he never gave.

When serious players like Maher are booking him to come in for a chat and for the most part, that chat is amiable, that says something in very strong terms.

"Old fashioned" = spewing hateful, factually incorrect bull**** about trans people which is actually hurting us. I'm very disappointed in you.

Objectionable speech coming from a moron should not bother you at all. Most people who listen to his thinking on the trans issue probably know that he is just blowing smoke and would not react to trans people any differently after listening to him rant. I think you are giving him too much power. He isn't all that influential, but if people keep up their withering outrage they might just succeed in creating a superstar.

 

[suncowiam]

You don't.
He's trolling you.
He admits he's trolling you.
Don't feed the trolls.

As @freethinker44 so eloquently stated, he is an unabashed, unrepentant, self-proclaimed troll. He is baiting people simply to get a rise out of them and he does that with surgical precision. That you take his rambling statements seriously clearly shows that you take your own ideas too seriously and perhaps have a bit too much time on your hands. I suppose one thing he gets right, almost all the time, is that people, in general, are tired of all the hand-wringers with their causes de jour.

As a gay man, I'm not the slightest bit troubled by any comments he has made about gays. I'm just too damned secure to be. You criticize his blanket statements by making your own blanket statement. He, very clearly, is most often talking about some of the more "out there" 3rd wave feminists and some of their more bizarre viewpoints. As for transsexuals, his views aren't quite so strident when you consider that transsexuals were largely shunned by the gay community for many years. There's really nothing more indignant than reformed sinners. Perhaps in that department he is simply a bit old fashioned.

I'm still stunned by Maher's quip that he has the potential to be a young gay Christopher Hitchens. Any way you slice it, that is a huge, huge, compliment.

Feel free to point out my blanket statement. I can admit fault. So we can move on and conclude that blanket statements are wrong.

Keep in mind, that I didn't support the riots or further actions preventing him from having his free speech. I can react however I want now that I've heard him talk. If he is "baiting" me as you suggest, then I'm the one at fault for being baited? What is going on with this line of logic?

Let's be clear on this. I'm not supporting any suppression of his right to free speech or other civil liberties, not like the OP mentioned. I'm debating his specific comments on gays, transexuals and women. If he's not clear on this matter, then I don't see how this is my fault for not understanding his intentions. Seems like a weird twist of logic, honestly.

So maybe he really is a Bruno. Even we can tell that Sasha Cohen were trolling people after his acts. Im not getting that sense with Milo, but if you folks insist, then I'm willing to be a bit more patient. So, maybe we can continue this discussion after several months to see how he further plays out.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The Quran can translate into physical violence when that **** is taken seriously.

That has nothing to do with this thread. This thread is about the poisonous statements about gay and trans people that that idiot is putting out.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm thinking that those of you defending him in this thread actually agree with what he says. It's all so funny, right? He's just a troll, right? Hahahaha. Let's all laugh. But when you're a part of a misunderstood, attacked minority, it's not so ****ing funny. When you're just spewing what far-right nutjobs already are saying and presenting yourself as a caricature of another misunderstood minority (who knows if he is what he says he is), it does translate into harm. This harm can be in the form of ridicule, slander (as he did with the trans woman he accused of being a sexual predator with zero proof of that, aside from her just being a trans woman), harassment (such as with Leslie Jones, who did nothing to deserve what happened to her on Twitter) and could end up in physical harassment or violence. So if you defend him, you're enabling that. I hope you're okay with that.

Yes, I'm angry and I made this thread in anger. I have the right to be angry when people spread lies about me or people like me. Some speech is just reprehensible and not worth defending. I believe in freedom of speech, but tempered by duty and responsibility. I don't believe in freedom of speech across the board. That's just unethical, imo. He's not even an American in the first place. He's basically a foreign provocateur.

 

[icehorse]

such as with Leslie Jones, who did nothing to deserve what happened to her on Twitter

As far as Leslie Jones goes, she's a millionaire celebrity who chose to start in a movie and play a really unoriginal, stereotypical role. You wanna be a celebrity, be prepared for some taunting.

SF, my wife and I had to move to a different state because of serious trolls making actual serious personal threats of physical violence towards us. Milo isn't in that category.

As a society, we simply cannot shut down speech for fear that it will offend or cause hurt feelings.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

As far as Leslie Jones goes, she's a millionaire celebrity who chose to start in a movie and play a really unoriginal, stereotypical role. You wanna be a celebrity, be prepared for some taunting.

So being a celebrity means that you should prepared to be bullied and harassed? Hell, I guess everyone with an online presence should be prepared to be bullied and harassed.

SF, my wife and I had to move to a different state because of serious trolls making actual serious personal threats of physical violence towards us. Milo isn't in that category.

Milo is part of something larger and I already explained how that can lead to possible physical violence.

As a society, we simply cannot shut down speech for fear that it will offend or cause hurt feelings.

So slander and lying is just a case of "hurt feelings"? Well, okay.

 

[icehorse]

Milo is part of something larger and I already explained how that can lead to possible physical violence.

Actually I think it's the other way around from a free speech perspective. The authorities told us that the threats against my wife were potentially actionable.

So slander and lying is just a case of "hurt feelings"? Well, okay.

The movie star can take up a civil case against Milo if she thinks she really has been slandered.

And yes, nasty criticism is an aspect of free speech. SF - I grew up near Skokie in Illinois. Skokie is a largely Jewish community and the Neo-Nazis used to march there. It's horrible. But free speech is worth that sort of crap.