Being criticized isn't the same as being harassed or bullied. But once again, this thread isn't about Leslie Jones. I had a thread about her harassment in the Feminist Only forum.
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Milo Yiannopoulos = transphobic, homophobic pig!
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This thread isn't about Islam. Take that somewhere else.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Anyone who thinks it isn’t is delusional.
This thread is in the Sexuality forum, not the Religious Debates forum.
Another reason why Milo might just be a stupid caricature of gay men and not actually for real: Milo Yiannopoulos appears to speak fondly of pedophilia in video
Notanumber
A Free Man
Doesn’t Islam get involved with sexual matters?
It seems to have a lot to say about it.
Why are you bringing the Catholic religion into this thread then?
*clicks ignore*
It seems to me that there's a current trend going on—and I'm not entirely sure if it's new, actually—where a lot of people defend vocal bigots, demagogues, and rabble-rousers because of the idea that doing so implies they support "freedom of speech" even if it's not "politically correct." I also see a slippery slope where people assume that because political correctness sometimes results in shutting down reasonable debate, political incorrectness becomes a good thing almost by default.
Yes, Milo Yiannopoulos has the right to espouse bigoted, ignorant views publicly. That doesn't make them any less harmful, though, regardless of how many things he's right about. I think it's less a matter of having some correct views and more a matter of weighing the harms and benefits his beliefs could cause—and as far as that goes, Yiannopoulos is clearly on the harmful and toxic side. I think he deserves not to be censored or forbidden from expressing his beliefs publicly at all but to be strongly condemned and called out on his bigotry and ignorance.
Coddling extremists of any kind merely leads to empowering them, and I think there's a need to shut down people like Milo Yiannopoulos in public discussions through reasoning and facts, although I doubt he cares about either of those things given that he has described himself as a "provocateur."
Yes, Milo Yiannopoulos has the right to espouse bigoted, ignorant views publicly. That doesn't make them any less harmful, though, regardless of how many things he's right about. I think it's less a matter of having some correct views and more a matter of weighing the harms and benefits his beliefs could cause—and as far as that goes, Yiannopoulos is clearly on the harmful and toxic side. I think he deserves not to be censored or forbidden from expressing his beliefs publicly at all but to be strongly condemned and called out on his bigotry and ignorance.
Coddling extremists of any kind merely leads to empowering them, and I think there's a need to shut down people like Milo Yiannopoulos in public discussions through reasoning and facts, although I doubt he cares about either of those things given that he has described himself as a "provocateur."
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jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
Wasn't Maher's bigger point when talking to Milo about how unfortunate it is that Liberals always take the bait??
Do you guys not see how that's exactly what this thread is doing?
In a matter of weeks, Milo has gone from a back-closet fringe speaker to a household name... Good job, us.
Do you guys not see how that's exactly what this thread is doing?
In a matter of weeks, Milo has gone from a back-closet fringe speaker to a household name... Good job, us.
Shad
Veteran Member
And not every claim to harassment and bullying is actually either. However my point is that celebrities espouse themselves. If they will bullied or harassed file a police report.
Sure. However Jones was a horrible example as she never filed a police report. She never took legal action. Instead she took to twitter again.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
That certainly may be the episode that ends Milo's career as the affable troll. He has already been dis-invited to speak at CPAC and has also had his book deal squashed. I guess it depends how stridently he comes out against his previous comments and how forgiving people are. My bet is that this is where the gravy train ends... ... for now... though I don't think we have heard the last from him...
You obviously don't understand how the Internet works. When someone is bullying you online, you don't file a police report. Especially if you don't know who the hell the people are and you're being gang bullied. You report their asses on whatever site you're on and the site handles it. Milo got banned from Twitter over it, anyway.
Yup. It's best news I've heard all day.
Shad
Veteran Member
Yes you do as cyber bullying is harassment which is illegal.
Hence why you file a report as law enforcement has the authority to gain access to information from social media sites to find said person using a warrant.
No. You as a citizen have the legal right to report crimes against you. You do not let some social media site advocate on your behave as if it were some lawyer or had any interest in protecting you over it's commercial interests. How many people have been charged harassing Jones with Twitter as her advocate? Zero. Twitter is not your lawyer, stop treating it like one.
Oh no he was banned by a social media site. Yet no legal charges against him at all...... Hence why you report to the police not just Twitter.
You are a horrible advocate against cyber bullying by ignoring law enforcement completely...
Yup, you don't know how the Internet works.
Shad
Veteran Member
Read about it today. He shot himself in the foot using his own tactics of defending Catholicism and playing the sinner card.
Shad
Veteran Member
You do not know how the law works. Banning and ignoring people or hitting the report button is not law enforcement.
I've been bullied online multiple times by trolls throughout the years. You really expect me to file police reports every time that happens? Do bullied kids in school go to the police?
Shad
Veteran Member
Do what you want. However it is hard to take your seriously when you do not bother to use the justice system to help solve the problem.
The police or school administration. The administration depending on policy is required to report crimes such as harassment.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
If it makes you feel better, you were the first person I thought of upon hearing about all this. I just have a strange feeling that Milo will weather this storm. His Facebook retraction was fairly straightforward and unlikely to tick off many. If anyone is still interested in asking him to come by and chat is the real question. Then again, if he is very careful (not likely) and very clever (chances are very low) he could turn this around and expose the seamy underbelly of the gay community that doesn't really want to talk about this particular topic. He is such an attention whore, I wouldn't put it past him.Yup. It's best news I've heard all day.