Misappropriation of the word 'racist' used against Trump

[David1967]

I'm done with the racist word being thrown around...

Several things are not racist:

1) Being against illegal aliens, or others that reside outside of your country because you feel they are damaging your country economically or otherwise. Especially, if there are some valid reasons to the claim or statistics involved. This is called being a protectionist.

2) Complaining that you feel you are discriminated against because you have a position of being anti-illegal alien and there is a good chance the judge in the case is related to a few. You are not racist if you complain about this even if you are a white guy, to say this is so to be a racist yourself. This "white" person is entitled to have his case heard by people who would not be biased against him, just as anyone else should.

3) Saying that certain races of people have certain traits when trends and statistics back that claim. For example, black on black crime or rape outbreaks in the countries accepting refugees. There are hard numbers for these things, so people stating it are not racist. They probably aren't helping the people they mention much, but it's probably worse to ignore the issue entirely.

4) Commenting against Syrian refugees in any way after having the information from events that have already happened in countries that are having problems. Look, no one wishes them harm, but we've seen what happens and to do the same as others are questionable. There should be a better plan in place than, "Hey, let's do something just exactly the same stupid way as country X!", when we know it doesn't work! Making this point is not racist either if again it can be proven it is problematic.

5) RACISM DOESN'T: Apply to being a Syrian or Mexican, these are nationalities or processes of enforcing laws we already have on the books regarding illegal aliens.

RACISM IS ONLY THINKING YOU ARE SUPERIOR TO PEOPLE BASED ON _YOUR_ RACE OR DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM ON A NON-LOGICAL BASIS. BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES ARE BEING COMPLETELY SPINELESS.

What COHESIVE races are in each political party? That's right, none... There is every race in both the Democrats and the Republicans. I'm getting tired of the misinformation, and the chicken ****s that will not speak up and say it correctly. Anyone calling these things racist needs to be denounced for the absolute ridiculousness of their ignorance. Anyone pandering to people by embracing these foolish definitions of racism are just opportunists seeking to deceive others.

Racism is a big enough problem, we don't need to derail the attention that should be placed on its awareness by spinning our wheels on things are completely unrelated.

Thank you voice of reason!

 

[David1967]

Jesus Christ...

Jesus Christ is not racist.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Jesus Christ is not racist.

That was an interjection, not a mention of Jesus as an example.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Jesus Christ is not racist.

Well...no, I won't get into it because that's a different topic.

 

[David1967]

That was an interjection, not a mention of Jesus as an example.

Sorry, just couldn't resist.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Sorry, just couldn't resist.

No worries, man. I actually smiled at the joke.

 

[tytlyf]

I dunno, it could mean what he stated. That because the judge appears to have great pride in his Mexican heritage and is associated with political group that advocates for rights of all Hispanics (legal or not) in America, that this could present a conflict of interest in a case where Trump is involved, seeing that Trump wishes to build a wall along the Mexican border, specifically to keep illegal immigrants out.

If Trump were known to despise / suggest inferiority of all persons of Mexican heritage, and seek to keep all of them out of the country, then the allegation of racism would make sense. As that is very far away from his actual position, then we get the PC version of racism and are not asked to think critically of this, cause you know, that might actually mean you could find a way to not have utter disgust for Trump. Take it down to the level of (mere) bigotry or (worse) stereotyping and well you just voided your PC card. How dare you not get on board with identifying this as racism? Why you trying to bring critical thinking into our witch hunt?

But the group isn't affiliated with La Raza (must mention the meaning 'the race' for maximum impact in RW media land). You just proved you don't know what group the judge is a part of. Additionally, you're assuming he has great pride in his heritage. I haven't seen any examples of that except the linking to a group he has no affiliation with. Plenty of top republicans have said its racist. And so did the speaker Paul Ryan. The majority of America has issue with it. It also doesn't help that the judge was born in America.

I can see you're influenced by conservative media to make that statement, I would suggest further fact checking and context for understanding the difference. Don't let the lack of information by the propagandists get to you. This is normal for RW media, they intentionally leave information out.

I'm sure there are angry conservatives out there that believe the judge is a part of La Raza now, with no clarification. That's called disinformation and it's dangerous. I'm very used to this tactic as I watch all media.

 

[David1967]

But the group isn't affiliated with La Raza (must mention the meaning 'the race' for maximum impact in RW media land). You just proved you don't know what group the judge is a part of. Additionally, you're assuming he has great pride in his heritage. I haven't seen any examples of that except the linking to a group he has no affiliation with. Plenty of top republicans have said its racist. And so did the speaker Paul Ryan. The majority of America has issue with it. It also doesn't help that the judge was born in America.

I can see you're influenced by conservative media to make that statement, I would suggest further fact checking and context for understanding the difference. Don't let the lack of information by the propagandists get to you. This is normal for RW media, they intentionally leave information out.

I'm sure there are angry conservatives out there that believe the judge is a part of La Raza now, with no clarification. That's called disinformation and it's dangerous. I'm very used to this tactic as I watch all media.

 

[David1967]

I actually had a customer today that expressed concern that if Trump were elected he would have to leave the country. I asked him if he were here legally to which he replied yes I am. I assured him that he had nothing to worry about. I wish there was more honesty from the political talking heads concerning this.

 

[tytlyf]

What part do you take issue with?

 

[Scott C.]

Trump's comments on the Mexican judge are the epitome of racism. He feels since the judge has Mexican heritage, that immediately means he's unskilled and beneath him. What else could it mean?

It's common to hear conservative media refer to mexicans as having no skills and no education.

Many conservatives are appalled by what Trump said, as am I. But let's correctly represent what he said. He did not say or imply that the judge of Mexican heritage is unskilled or beneath him. Trump made several leaps, all with no evidence. He said that he believes that since the judge is Mexican (actually American and of Mexican heritage), he must be opposed to Trump's positions on immigration. Since he's opposed to Trump's positions on immigration, he must want to see Trump stopped politically and otherwise punished by the legal system. Trump believes the judge treats him unfairly, based on his rulings. Put it all together and Trump concludes that the judge is acting based on ulterior motives to bring him down. Is it possible that a judge would do this? Sure. Is there any evidence that this judge is doing this? No, none. Trump's allegations are ridiculous. But, he didn't accuse the judge of inferiority or incompetence. He accused him of something which is worse IMO, which is a lack of integrity and of an abuse of judicial power.

So are these absurd accusations racist? It depends. If Trump believes that there's something in the judge's racial makeup that makes him more likely to be corrupt, then that accusation is racist. But if he believes that a U.S. citizen judge of Mexican heritage is no more likely than a judge of any race to be corrupt and to allow bias to impact his decisions, then I see no racism in his claims. I suspect that Trump would be an equal opportunity offender and attack any judge of any race, and try to make a case of bias against him. But if you put all of his statements together regarding folks of Mexican descent, be they natural born U.S. citizens, legal residents, or undocumented immigrants, I see a pattern of disrespect generally. That seems to indicate racist attitudes.

 

[Acim]

But the group isn't affiliated with La Raza (must mention the meaning 'the race' for maximum impact in RW media land). You just proved you don't know what group the judge is a part of. Additionally, you're assuming he has great pride in his heritage. I haven't seen any examples of that except the linking to a group he has no affiliation with. Plenty of top republicans have said its racist. And so did the speaker Paul Ryan. The majority of America has issue with it. It also doesn't help that the judge was born in America.

I was basing my previous words on what Trump believed. Giving explanation as to the basis for "absolute conflict of interest" in Trumps words. Thus not based on the pseudo narrative of it being based on Trump thinking any judge of Mexican heritage is incapable of doing their job because they are inherently biased (and they alone are like this).

Prior to writing that previous post, I came across this article that spells out the information on Judge Curiel, So, I did kind of know the actual group that he is associated with, but don't really care a whole lot, at least until you are trying to make me show up as ignorant, plus making it (as usual) all about RW propaganda/spin.

That article points link to the San Diego La Raza Lawyer's Association. Which does have link under its right side bar "Community" section for the La Raza organization that people (Trump?) mistakenly associated Curiel with. The SDLRLA has 2015 post (on their site) that reads: "This year we are proud to be honoring Judge Gonzalo Curiel at our reception and recognizing him for his leadership and support to the community and to our Association!"

So, I'm thinking there's a pretty solid link there.

I can see you're influenced by conservative media to make that statement, I would suggest further fact checking and context for understanding the difference. Don't let the lack of information by the propagandists get to you. This is normal for RW media, they intentionally leave information out.

I'm sure there are angry conservatives out there that believe the judge is a part of La Raza now, with no clarification. That's called disinformation and it's dangerous. I'm very used to this tactic as I watch all media.

Hopefully I helped clarify it for one and all.

 

[Nahwns Reefglin]

Saying that certain races of people have certain traits when trends and statistics back that claim. For example, black on black crime or rape outbreaks in the countries accepting refugees. There are hard numbers for these things, so people stating it are not racist. They probably aren't helping the people they mention much, but it's probably worse to ignore the issue entirely.

Saying that a race does that because they are that race is what you people call "racist".

If your so scared of being called a word you shouldn't be on the internet.

 

[Acim]

Saying that a race does that because they are that race is what you people call "racist".

It would be nice if this made a connection to the post it quoted. Unfortunately, it does not.

 

[Nahwns Reefglin]

It would be nice if this made a connection to the post it quoted. Unfortunately, it does not.

It would also be nice if you could get off your high horse for a second.

 

[Acim]

It would also be nice if you could get off your high horse for a second.

It would be nice if you could avoid an ad hominem attack.

 

[Nahwns Reefglin]

It would be nice if you could avoid an ad hominem attack.

I did not attack you to defeat your argument, therefore it is not ad hominem.

Anyways, I was pointing out that saying that because there is high black on black crime that black people are more violent is racist by definition because that is saying that the blacks are inherently more violent than most other races.

 

[Nahwns Reefglin]

It would be nice if you could avoid an ad hominem attack.

Asking for someone to be reasonable is not an attack to you, unless you are saying it would hurt you to do so,

 

[Acim]

I was pointing out that saying that because there is high black on black crime that black people are more violent is racist by definition because that is saying that the blacks are inherently more violent than most other races.

No, that's an implication from the reported trend. The original post said:

For example, black on black crime or rape outbreaks in the countries accepting refugees. There are hard numbers for these things, so people stating it are not racist. They probably aren't helping the people they mention much, but it's probably worse to ignore the issue entirely.

You added in the "...that black people are more violent" part. Even that isn't racist, it would be stereotyping.

 

[Acim]

Asking for someone to be reasonable is not an attack to you, unless you are saying it would hurt you to do so,

Nothing you've said (to me) is literally an attack on me. I believe it is not possible to do that. But rules are rules. Make it about the point up for discussion rather than persona of posters.