Misappropriation of the word 'racist' used against Trump

[Mindmaster]

I'm done with the racist word being thrown around...

Several things are not racist:

1) Being against illegal aliens, or others that reside outside of your country because you feel they are damaging your country economically or otherwise. Especially, if there are some valid reasons to the claim or statistics involved. This is called being a protectionist.

2) Complaining that you feel you are discriminated against because you have a position of being anti-illegal alien and there is a good chance the judge in the case is related to a few. You are not racist if you complain about this even if you are a white guy, to say this is so to be a racist yourself. This "white" person is entitled to have his case heard by people who would not be biased against him, just as anyone else should.

3) Saying that certain races of people have certain traits when trends and statistics back that claim. For example, black on black crime or rape outbreaks in the countries accepting refugees. There are hard numbers for these things, so people stating it are not racist. They probably aren't helping the people they mention much, but it's probably worse to ignore the issue entirely.

4) Commenting against Syrian refugees in any way after having the information from events that have already happened in countries that are having problems. Look, no one wishes them harm, but we've seen what happens and to do the same as others are questionable. There should be a better plan in place than, "Hey, let's do something just exactly the same stupid way as country X!", when we know it doesn't work! Making this point is not racist either if again it can be proven it is problematic.

5) RACISM DOESN'T: Apply to being a Syrian or Mexican, these are nationalities or processes of enforcing laws we already have on the books regarding illegal aliens.

RACISM IS ONLY THINKING YOU ARE SUPERIOR TO PEOPLE BASED ON _YOUR_ RACE OR DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM ON A NON-LOGICAL BASIS. BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES ARE BEING COMPLETELY SPINELESS.

What COHESIVE races are in each political party? That's right, none... There is every race in both the Democrats and the Republicans. I'm getting tired of the misinformation, and the chicken ****s that will not speak up and say it correctly. Anyone calling these things racist needs to be denounced for the absolute ridiculousness of their ignorance. Anyone pandering to people by embracing these foolish definitions of racism are just opportunists seeking to deceive others.

Racism is a big enough problem, we don't need to derail the attention that should be placed on its awareness by spinning our wheels on things are completely unrelated.

 

[tytlyf]

Trump's comments on the Mexican judge are the epitome of racism. He feels since the judge has Mexican heritage, that immediately means he's unskilled and beneath him. What else could it mean?

It's common to hear conservative media refer to mexicans as having no skills and no education.

 

[columbus]

Racism is a big enough problem, we don't need to derail the attention that should be placed on its awareness by spinning our wheels on things are completely unrelated.

I definitely agree that the word racism has been stretched way out of shape. People overuse it to describe almost any conflict between groups of people with the slightest difference in ethnicity.

The problem is largely finding new words to describe the many varieties and motivations for bigotry. I certainly do think that Trump is employing bigotry against the judge. Racism is not the most accurate word. But what better one is there?
"Bigotry" is such a broad category. But this is clearly not gender or orientation or any of the other many forms of bigotry. Racism is closer than any other words I can think of, off the top of my head.
Tom

 

[George-ananda]

I'm on board with the vent. Nowadays, when I hear the word 'racist' my inclination is to roll my eyes and doubt it. The word is overused.

 

[columbus]

He feels since the judge has Mexican heritage, that immediately means he's unskilled and beneath him. What else could it mean?

Uh, no. Trump has not suggested that the judge is in any way unable to do the very demanding job. Only that the judge can't be trusted to be impartial in his own case.

Trump should consider himself lucky that I am not the judge. As one of the 99%, I would be combing the evidence and testimony looking for ways to inconvenience Trump. I would be trying to find ways to get his ill gotten gains back to the people he cheated. I would be looking for felonies I could charge him with. I would set a team of lawyers to look for any and everything I could. And when they find one, I would set his bail at a billion dollars in cash, put him in jail until all the cash is delivered, then impound his jet as a "flight risk".
Because I really am biased against people like him, despite not being Mexican, female, Muslim, or any other kind of citizen he may have become obnoxious to in his run for POTUS.
Tom

 

[tytlyf]

Uh, no. Trump has not suggested that the judge is in any way unable to do the very demanding job. Only that the judge can't be trusted to be impartial in his own case.

That's just his bizarre notion. If that were true, the Judge wouldn't have made it through law school to where he is. Judges are supposed to be impartial and unbiased. It's part of the job or you're removed.

 

[Mindmaster]

Trump's comments on the Mexican judge are the epitome of racism. He feels since the judge has Mexican heritage, that immediately means he's unskilled and beneath him. What else could it mean?

It's common to hear conservative media refer to mexicans as having no skills and no education.

Racism is superiority OR discrimination, but not stating someone has discriminated against you. Anything else is just reaching, and again this is sort of just plugging the holes in the conversation with whatever fits. Your comparison is a straw man argument in this case.

1) Epitome means extreme, Trump is not comparable to someone like a white supremacist directly. Spend a few minutes on The Daily Stormer so you can tell the difference.

2) Why does Trump feel he's discriminated against? Does anyone even know? I really don't, and I've been looking. Saying that his assertion is invalid just because it comes from Donald J. Trump is called a genetic fallacy. Each claim has to be investigated independently. The judge was appointed by Obama, and he's been screening for Hillary. His complaints seem to be valid or at least plausible.

3) It's not racist to feel someone is unskilled or beneath you if you feel it is true based on certain facts. We don't even know what those facts are to some extent in this case. Hard to say.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm done with the racist word being thrown around...

Several things are not racist:

1) Being against illegal aliens, or others that reside outside of your country because you feel they are damaging your country economically or otherwise. Especially, if there are some valid reasons to the claim or statistics involved. This is called being a protectionist.

2) Complaining that you feel you are discriminated against because you have a position of being anti-illegal alien and there is a good chance the judge in the case is related to a few. You are not racist if you complain about this even if you are a white guy, to say this is so to be a racist yourself. This "white" person is entitled to have his case heard by people who would not be biased against him, just as anyone else should.

3) Saying that certain races of people have certain traits when trends and statistics back that claim. For example, black on black crime or rape outbreaks in the countries accepting refugees. There are hard numbers for these things, so people stating it are not racist. They probably aren't helping the people they mention much, but it's probably worse to ignore the issue entirely.

4) Commenting against Syrian refugees in any way after having the information from events that have already happened in countries that are having problems. Look, no one wishes them harm, but we've seen what happens and to do the same as others are questionable. There should be a better plan in place than, "Hey, let's do something just exactly the same stupid way as country X!", when we know it doesn't work! Making this point is not racist either if again it can be proven it is problematic.

5) RACISM DOESN'T: Apply to being a Syrian or Mexican, these are nationalities or processes of enforcing laws we already have on the books regarding illegal aliens.

RACISM IS ONLY THINKING YOU ARE SUPERIOR TO PEOPLE BASED ON _YOUR_ RACE OR DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM ON A NON-LOGICAL BASIS. BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES ARE BEING COMPLETELY SPINELESS.

What COHESIVE races are in each political party? That's right, none... There is every race in both the Democrats and the Republicans. I'm getting tired of the misinformation, and the chicken ****s that will not speak up and say it correctly. Anyone calling these things racist needs to be denounced for the absolute ridiculousness of their ignorance. Anyone pandering to people by embracing these foolish definitions of racism are just opportunists seeking to deceive others.

Racism is a big enough problem, we don't need to derail the attention that should be placed on its awareness by spinning our wheels on things are completely unrelated.

Good luck with this rant.
"Racism" is used so broadly that next time I fill out a census form, I'm going to put down "atheist" for my race.
Or maybe I'll put down "Michigander".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yeah, it would be easier and more accurate just to call Trump an equal opportunity hater.

 

[Revoltingest]

The word, "bigot", is a useful one which has fallen into disfavor.

 

[columbus]

That's just his bizarre notion. If that were true, the Judge wouldn't have made it through law school to where he is. Judges are supposed to be impartial and unbiased. It's part of the job or you're removed.

No, Trump is not suggesting that the judge is generally unfit. Only that the judge is biased against him, Trump, personally.

It's completely different.
Tom

 

[Mindmaster]

The word, "bigot", is a useful one which has fallen into disfavor.

I especially love it when people conflate bigot and racist to mean the same thing. Most people are bigots about something, whereas few are actually racists.

 

[Revoltingest]

I especially love it when people conflate bigot and racist to mean the same thing. Most people are bigots about something, whereas few are actually racists.

True dat.

 

[tytlyf]

No, Trump is not suggesting that the judge is generally unfit. Only that the judge is biased against him, Trump, personally.

It's completely different.
Tom

What was Trumps reasoning as to why the judge would be biased? Judges don't get to their level for being biased.

 

[Revoltingest]

What was Trumps reasoning as to why the judge would be biased? Judges don't get to their level for being biased.

But neither do they shed all their biases.
Anyone experienced in court, as lawyer, plaintiff or defendant will have a
preference for or against particular judges because they've predicable biases.
In some, it's minimal, but in others it's striking.

 

[Debater Slayer]

[...] whereas few are actually racists.

Jesus Christ...

 

[Walter Russell]

I'm done with the racist word being thrown around...

Several things are not racist:

1) Being against illegal aliens, or others that reside outside of your country because you feel they are damaging your country economically or otherwise. Especially, if there are some valid reasons to the claim or statistics involved. This is called being a protectionist.

2) Complaining that you feel you are discriminated against because you have a position of being anti-illegal alien and there is a good chance the judge in the case is related to a few. You are not racist if you complain about this even if you are a white guy, to say this is so to be a racist yourself. This "white" person is entitled to have his case heard by people who would not be biased against him, just as anyone else should.

3) Saying that certain races of people have certain traits when trends and statistics back that claim. For example, black on black crime or rape outbreaks in the countries accepting refugees. There are hard numbers for these things, so people stating it are not racist. They probably aren't helping the people they mention much, but it's probably worse to ignore the issue entirely.

4) Commenting against Syrian refugees in any way after having the information from events that have already happened in countries that are having problems. Look, no one wishes them harm, but we've seen what happens and to do the same as others are questionable. There should be a better plan in place than, "Hey, let's do something just exactly the same stupid way as country X!", when we know it doesn't work! Making this point is not racist either if again it can be proven it is problematic.

5) RACISM DOESN'T: Apply to being a Syrian or Mexican, these are nationalities or processes of enforcing laws we already have on the books regarding illegal aliens.

RACISM IS ONLY THINKING YOU ARE SUPERIOR TO PEOPLE BASED ON _YOUR_ RACE OR DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM ON A NON-LOGICAL BASIS. BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES ARE BEING COMPLETELY SPINELESS.

What COHESIVE races are in each political party? That's right, none... There is every race in both the Democrats and the Republicans. I'm getting tired of the misinformation, and the chicken ****s that will not speak up and say it correctly. Anyone calling these things racist needs to be denounced for the absolute ridiculousness of their ignorance. Anyone pandering to people by embracing these foolish definitions of racism are just opportunists seeking to deceive others.

Racism is a big enough problem, we don't need to derail the attention that should be placed on its awareness by spinning our wheels on things are completely unrelated.

To start, i'm NOT a Trump fan. There is absolutely nothing about him that appeals to me and he won't be getting my vote.

With that said however...

When the white kid shot and killed several black people in a South Carolina church and also when a white cop shot a black man in the back at a traffic stop, again in South Carolina, they would not let a white judge sit the bench for those trials. They purposely chose black judges and it was even reported so by the local media.

Now supposedly this was to ensure the judge would be impartial although that makes no sense to me as the black judge could have been equally partial in the other direction.

I say this only to reluctantly side with Trump in situation as its an etablished common practice. Trump has cause based on his public stance on immigration to question whether or not a hispanic judge can be impartial in the case against him and his rights require that concern to be taken seriously.

This is nothing more than a media circus.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

1) Being against illegal aliens, or others that reside outside of your country because you feel they are damaging your country economically or otherwise. Especially, if there are some valid reasons to the claim or statistics involved. This is called being a protectionist.

It's often based on racial and ethnic bigotry. It ties into nativism and serves as a wedge, which right-wing populists and demagogues use to rile the masses up against scapegoated groups. Trump's racially-charged rhetoric has inspired at least one racist violent attack, which Trump did not denounce; only saying that his followers are "very passionate": http://nypost.com/2015/08/20/trump-...p-hispanic-homeless-man-suspects-tell-police/

2) Complaining that you feel you are discriminated against because you have a position of being anti-illegal alien and there is a good chance the judge in the case is related to a few. You are not racist if you complain about this even if you are a white guy, to say this is so to be a racist yourself. This "white" person is entitled to have his case heard by people who would not be biased against him, just as anyone else should.

Yes, his complaint is racist and so is his call to build a wall between here and Mexico. He is scapegoating the Mexican people, he assumes that this judge has anything to do with undocumented migrants and is just stereotyping him based on his ethnicity. His ridiculous claims have no legal ground and he is just trying to wriggle out of the fact that his criminal activity is being exposed by this case.

"That is undoubtedly because court precedents are unanimous in holding that race, ethnicity, gender, religion and sexual orientation are not themselves grounds for disqualifying a judge. If they were, legal ethicists observe, the legal system would fall into chaos because no judge would be free from taint. The five Supreme Court justices who are Catholic could not rule on a case in which the Catholic church participated, but neither could the other justices who are not Catholic."
http://www.npr.org/2016/06/04/48071...at-mexican-judge-curiel-is-biased-against-him

3) Saying that certain races of people have certain traits when trends and statistics back that claim. For example, black on black crime or rape outbreaks in the countries accepting refugees. There are hard numbers for these things, so people stating it are not racist. They probably aren't helping the people they mention much, but it's probably worse to ignore the issue entirely.

Now that is racism, because science currently does not recognize discrete categorizations of humans and there are no behavioral traits that more common to certain ethnic groups over others. It's just generalizing and making judgments about the behavior of a group of people over what phenotype they have. It's stupid and prejudiced. Human behavior is largely shaped by environment. Impoverished and working class areas will always be more violent and have higher rates of crime in general. That has nothing to do with the ethnic makeup of the neighborhood.

Yes, Trump is a racist. He's at least using racism as a political weapon. He's a disgusting piece of **** in general.

This thread is just you trying to make apologies for the racism that is widespread among even the mainstream right. Sickening.

 

[Acim]

RACISM IS ONLY THINKING YOU ARE SUPERIOR TO PEOPLE BASED ON _YOUR_ RACE OR DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM ON A NON-LOGICAL BASIS. BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES ARE BEING COMPLETELY SPINELESS.

What COHESIVE races are in each political party? That's right, none... There is every race in both the Democrats and the Republicans. I'm getting tired of the misinformation, and the chicken ****s that will not speak up and say it correctly. Anyone calling these things racist needs to be denounced for the absolute ridiculousness of their ignorance. Anyone pandering to people by embracing these foolish definitions of racism are just opportunists seeking to deceive others.

Racism is a big enough problem, we don't need to derail the attention that should be placed on its awareness by spinning our wheels on things are completely unrelated.

Obviously like your post as it puts in all caps what actual racism is, though the later (discriminating on non-logical basis) isn't actually racism. It is prejudicial, and is perhaps/probably stereotyping.

Your last assertion to me gets at a core issue with what's going on in the Trump situation. By suggesting Trump's remarks are 'textbook racism' means we've dumbed down actual racism to a level that equates it with any type of prejudice. IOW, it takes away (substantially) from actual cases of historical racism. Which means you either have to go with degrees of racism or somehow believe all types of prejudice are equally bad. The latter might not be horrible way to go, but I'm 99% convinced it would be inconsistently applied. If person on say left engaged in remarks that were (clearly) prejudicial, I believe it would be argued forever and a day that it is "not racism" while person on the right using (clearly) prejudicial remarks would be associated with racism, and get enough propagandists to suggest the same association and suddenly the lie becomes the 'factual assertion.'

Seeing that we already have degrees of prejudice, we don't need to assume every prejudicial remark rises to the level of racism. And in reality, it makes the person using that term seemingly not understanding of what racism actually means, or entails. I used to have the degrees worked out (in the 90's), but seems like that type of critical thinking has been tossed aside and we best just assume its all racist. Anyway, I see the degrees from lowest to highest as:

- discrimination (chances are everyone does this)
- prejudice
- stereotyping
- bigotry
- racism

If anything, I'm glad when situations like the one Trump is associated with now, do come up because it is yet another opportunity for us to get back to critically thinking about such issues rather than holding allegiance to PC versions of 'thought' which seem to be devoid of critical analysis. People in America routinely say "we need to have a discussion on racial relations" but how is that permissible when every plausible comment that alludes to some level of discrimination is deemed "racist" and the emotion is seen as outweighing the thoughtful discussion that is desired to take place???

 

[Acim]

Trump's comments on the Mexican judge are the epitome of racism. He feels since the judge has Mexican heritage, that immediately means he's unskilled and beneath him. What else could it mean?

I dunno, it could mean what he stated. That because the judge appears to have great pride in his Mexican heritage and is associated with political group that advocates for rights of all Hispanics (legal or not) in America, that this could present a conflict of interest in a case where Trump is involved, seeing that Trump wishes to build a wall along the Mexican border, specifically to keep illegal immigrants out.

If Trump were known to despise / suggest inferiority of all persons of Mexican heritage, and seek to keep all of them out of the country, then the allegation of racism would make sense. As that is very far away from his actual position, then we get the PC version of racism and are not asked to think critically of this, cause you know, that might actually mean you could find a way to not have utter disgust for Trump. Take it down to the level of (mere) bigotry or (worse) stereotyping and well you just voided your PC card. How dare you not get on board with identifying this as racism? Why you trying to bring critical thinking into our witch hunt?