SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Well, it is if the person has no access to a safe abortion. Outlawing abortion doesn't make it go away. It just makes it more dangerous.
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Miscarriages
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Fallen Prophet
Well-Known Member
You literally don't know the difference between birth control and an "abortion".
The overturning of Roe does not make "abortion" illegal in the U.S. - a mother may need to cross a Stateline or two - but she can still get one.
"If only we had 'common sense' gun control - there would be no more gun violence."
Yet - in the case of a forced miscarriage - someone always dies - the not-yet-born child.
No - a forced miscarriage will never be a birth control - because the pregnancy has already taken place - the not-yet-born child already exists.
The overturning of Roe does not make "abortion" illegal in the U.S. - a mother may need to cross a Stateline or two - but she can still get one.
No one said that it did - but people on the Left are the ones who often make this claim.
"If only we had 'common sense' gun control - there would be no more gun violence."
A lot of DIY projects often are.
Yet - in the case of a forced miscarriage - someone always dies - the not-yet-born child.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
So a forced miscarriage is an abortion. A natural miscarriage is a "spontaneous abortion."
If a person doesn't have safe access to abortion, do you think forcing a miscarriage might be an option that crosses the mind of a desperate person?
This is just the beginning. Several states already had trigger laws that came into effect when Roe v. Wade was overturned, many of them outright banning abortion.
"Oh all you have to do is cross a state line or two, it's easy peasy!" Is a rather shallow way of looking at it that doesn't even address many of the myriad reasons people seek abortions in the first place - like financial or emotional instability. Do you think poor people who can't afford to have a child are going to have the means to find a clinic in another state and travel across state lines and stay over in another state for a few days? Look at the other thread with the pregnant 10-year-old child who can't get an abortion in the state she lives in (Ohio, I think), which has a ban on abortions after 6 weeks. She's lucky she has a family that supports here and has the means to drag her across state lines looking for a clinic that will provide her with the medical attention she needs. A lot of people don't have that.
That's true, as observed in every other peer country to the US in the entire world.
That's one of the reasons abortion needs to be legal - it's a much safer procedure that way. You can't force usurp someone's bodily autonomy and force them to carry a blastocyst/embryo/zygote/fetus to term against their will. You can't force a person to allow their body to be used to sustain another life, against that person's will. That is the case in every other instance where two actual human beings exist. It's the reason you're not allowed to take my kidney from me and use it to keep yourself alive, if I do not give my consent for you to do so. It's the same reason we can't take a dead person's kidney to keep ourselves alive if that dead person did not consent to give their kidney before they died. So again I must point out that you want to confer rights on blastocysts/embryos/zygotes/fetuses that we don't even afford to actual birthed, living, breathing human beings.
BrightShadow
Active Member
The answer is "yes" and "no"! It can also be worse... it could also be considered an act of abortion. It depends on the intention of the mother. If the intention is to cause a miscarriage to terminate the pregnancy then it is abortion. If the intention wasn't there then the mother may be off the hook (on the judgment day). IMO
After realizing she is pregnant - if a pregnant mother purposely makes her body toxic for the fetus by doing everything against common sense or doctor's advice or if she fails from doing things needed to be done to support the pregnancy - then it is a form of abortion in my opinion. For example - if the mother intentionally continue smoking and taking drugs or alcohol - when she is aware that she is pregnant or if she purposefully starves herself (not eat enough) or don't stay hydrated and as a result she experiences a miscarriage then it is abortion. IMO
As a host - the mother's body needs to be a safe haven and it needs to do everything to facilitate the pregnancy. The growing fetus has certain nutritional requirement, so the mother needs to eat food that can provide all that is needed. If the mother purposely tries to survive through an unbalanced diet then chances are the fetus will "let go" at a earlier stage - because it cannot acquire all that it needs to grow.
So, the intention of the mother is the key!
However, if you are judging by earthy laws then it may be very difficult to prove the mother made a conscious decision to make her body inhabitable. In that case it cannot be called abortion with certainty. But I believe on the judgment day - it will be very easy for God to judge her through her intentions. Since I believe our body is like computers and we are all connected to God's server and everything we do is being uploaded. In some religions - it says that on the judgment day - our own hand, eyes, mouth, every part of our body will testify against us! All intentions will be reviewed. God's judgment will be extremely fair for all parties involved... it will be extremely just! IMO
When a miscarriage happens due to unforeseeable reasons and without the intention of the pregnant mother - then it is simply a miscarriage with (probably) no consequence to the mother on the judgment day. IMO