Misled by denied information

[SomeRandom]

We always talk about censorship on here
But I’m a little curious as to how purposeful hidden information (in whatever form) lead or misled you to certain conclusions. Even if you don’t hold such conclusions anymore.
Benign or otherwise. Political or not.
Censorship through network guidelines perhaps.
Here’s one example of a seemingly innocuous teen show going through just that because the US was far more strict
So much for freedom of speech heh

6teen | Censorship | Fandom

Or even purposeful propaganda laced channels one might indulge in. I have unknowing indulged in such farce. It was awful in hindsight, ngl lol

Maybe your teachers spread known misinformation.
I strongly suspect this is a specific aspect that Americans may relate to, going by the woeful lessons imparted by so called Sex Education imparted to them, apparently.
(Sorry @Shadow Wolf but you know I’m talking about some of our exchanges over the years. I sincerely mean no offence.)
But rather than cry about free speech or whatever I want to know the true impact that had on you and how you overcame that. Hopefully.
Please be civil and polite guys. I know that’s annoying but you know

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I can't answer that, because I am might be able to civil and polite, but I can't be nice, because it involves causing negative feelings in other humans as per Piaget and how to deal with old and new information for which they don't add up.
Sorry, if we are to discuss that, I can't.

 

[Stevicus]

We always talk about censorship on here
But I’m a little curious as to how purposeful hidden information (in whatever form) lead or misled you to certain conclusions. Even if you don’t hold such conclusions anymore.
Benign or otherwise. Political or not.
Censorship through network guidelines perhaps.
Here’s one example of a seemingly innocuous teen show going through just that because the US was far more strict
So much for freedom of speech heh

6teen | Censorship | Fandom

Or even purposeful propaganda laced channels one might indulge in. I have unknowing indulged in such farce. It was awful in hindsight, ngl lol

Maybe your teachers spread known misinformation.
I strongly suspect this is a specific aspect that Americans may relate to, going by the woeful lessons imparted by so called Sex Education imparted to them, apparently.
(Sorry @Shadow Wolf but you know I’m talking about some of our exchanges over the years. I sincerely mean no offence.)
But rather than cry about free speech or whatever I want to know the true impact that had on you and how you overcame that. Hopefully.
Please be civil and polite guys. I know that’s annoying but you know

I guess it depends on what is being censored or withheld. Of course, anything broadcast on TV will have the foul language bleeped out, naughty bits blurred, etc. Although they've gotten much more permissive about that since when I was a kid (when you couldn't even say "hell" or "damn" during the family viewing hour). Even before that, they couldn't show married couples in the same bed; they had to show them with twin beds. They also couldn't acknowledge the existence of bathrooms or toilets back in those days.

I don't know if it had any kind of impact on me, although I became aware that some things couldn't be shown or said on television. We did have HBO for a time when I was a kid, so I also became aware of what was allowed at different ratings of films and what things were typically "edited for television."

I don't recall much in terms of any overt censorship of political speech. There was no "political correctness" or "cancel culture" back then, even though a substantial number of people in the 70s could be considered "woke." It was more along the lines of "let it all hang out" and "tell it like it is." There was still an alternate or "underground" press which would hold viewpoints which were often counter to the mainstream "establishment" press. But it was also pretty easy to tell the difference. The underground press might be just a single page or a small pamphlet, produced by a printing press in someone's basement. There was nothing to actually "cancel."

Even conspiracy theories (such as they were back then) were treated more as intellectual exercises, not automatically spurned or run away from as we see nowadays. In that sense, there was a greater number of people who embraced freedom of thought and thinking outside the box, whereas nowadays, people have grown much more rigid and inflexible in that regard.

 

[Heyo]

We always talk about censorship on here
But I’m a little curious as to how purposeful hidden information (in whatever form) lead or misled you to certain conclusions. Even if you don’t hold such conclusions anymore.
Benign or otherwise. Political or not.
Censorship through network guidelines perhaps.
Here’s one example of a seemingly innocuous teen show going through just that because the US was far more strict
So much for freedom of speech heh

6teen | Censorship | Fandom

Or even purposeful propaganda laced channels one might indulge in. I have unknowing indulged in such farce. It was awful in hindsight, ngl lol

Maybe your teachers spread known misinformation.
I strongly suspect this is a specific aspect that Americans may relate to, going by the woeful lessons imparted by so called Sex Education imparted to them, apparently.
(Sorry @Shadow Wolf but you know I’m talking about some of our exchanges over the years. I sincerely mean no offence.)
But rather than cry about free speech or whatever I want to know the true impact that had on you and how you overcame that. Hopefully.
Please be civil and polite guys. I know that’s annoying but you know

The most blatant mis/non information school tried to impose on us was "all drugs are (equally) bad". We had a good laugh, the teacher nodded knowingly and the topic wasn't brought up again.

But not all pupils were as good informed through alternative sources as we were. But some were equally curious. When they tried hash or grass they found that they had been lied to and assumed that the same was true about other drugs, tried those and got addicted to much more harmful stuff.

 

[Stevicus]

The most blatant mis/non information school tried to impose on us was "all drugs are (equally) bad". We had a good laugh, the teacher nodded knowingly and the topic wasn't brought up again.

But not all pupils were as good informed through alternative sources as we were. But some were equally curious. When they tried hash or grass they found that they had been lied to and assumed that the same was true about other drugs, tried those and got addicted to much more harmful stuff.

I remember those "drug education" lectures, usually conducted by cops visiting the class. They took more of a hardened, law enforcement approach, especially as delinquency and the crime rate ticked up. "Scared Straight" was a thing in my teenage years, when the prevailing notion was that the problem with the youth of the time was that they weren't being yelled at enough.

 

[SomeRandom]

I can't answer that, because I am might be able to civil and polite, but I can't be nice, because it involves causing negative feelings in other humans as per Piaget and how to deal with old and new information for which they don't add up.
Sorry, if we are to discuss that, I can't.

Well okay you don’t have to be nice. I was being a little tongue in cheek with that remark, admittedly

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well okay you don’t have to be nice. I was being a little tongue in cheek with that remark, admittedly

Okay, then I can answer, but I don't have the energy now for a long version.
The short one is that the most misleading claim about information, is that only objective information matters, because that it matters, is subjective.
The Western cultural tradition as back to the old Greeks is the idea of doing everything with objective reason, logic and evidence. That is not possible and leads to garbage in garbage out, because some people believe they do that, when they are subjective, but they don't change, because they believe that they are doing objective reason, logic and evidence.
So you can't tell them that they are subjective and have to reconsider how they act, because they are really doing the "truth" with objective reason, logic and evidence.

That goes for a lot of human behaviour in the Western culture. We can go deeper, but remember this is not the truth. It is one version of how to understand the world with humans in it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

(Sorry @Shadow Wolf but you know I’m talking about some of our exchanges over the years. I sincerely mean no offence.)

I wouldn't be able to take any because it's rare a day passes when I'm not reminded of something I detest and hate about American culture. Including how the prudes get to censor a lot of stuff. Like the old movie codes and ratings. That wasn't the average American, it was a bunch of prudes acting on the moral behalf of others.
I did recently learn of how many video games get censored in America to remove sexual content, nudity, and anything remotely thought to be Occult. It's so bad that in one game the US version has the cannibalism removed.

 

[SomeRandom]

I wouldn't be able to take any because it's rare a day passes when I'm not reminded of something I detest and hate about American culture. Including how the prudes get to censor a lot of stuff. Like the old movie codes and ratings. That wasn't the average American, it was a bunch of prudes acting on the moral behalf of others.
I did recently learn of how many video games get censored in America to remove sexual content, nudity, and anything remotely thought to be Occult. It's so bad that in one game the US version has the cannibalism removed.

Wow. I knew about tv and movies being censored but not video games. Though I guess that should not be surprising.

 

[idea]

• US/Canada is lied to about our food, about the products on our shelves -

Industrial Bio-Test Laboratories - Wikipedia
"IBT performed more than one-third of all toxicology testing in the United States...The magnitude of IBT's scientific misconduct was considered to have been extensive: 618 of 867 (71%) of studies audited by the FDA were invalidated for having "numerous discrepancies between the study conduct and data..." - FDA? from pesticides, to big pharm... a lot of it is still on shelves.

• We are lied to about what user information is collected from all the computer programs we use. (no transparency on codes)

Help others find free software: Watch and share Escape to Freedom — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software

The GNU Operating System and the Free Software Movement
All the information that is fed to us through computers is manipulated, carefully selected, fed to us.

It's all partial truths really...

 

[Stevicus]

I wouldn't be able to take any because it's rare a day passes when I'm not reminded of something I detest and hate about American culture. Including how the prudes get to censor a lot of stuff. Like the old movie codes and ratings. That wasn't the average American, it was a bunch of prudes acting on the moral behalf of others.
I did recently learn of how many video games get censored in America to remove sexual content, nudity, and anything remotely thought to be Occult. It's so bad that in one game the US version has the cannibalism removed.

Yes, in America, anything with violence, war, blood, guts, gore -- that's all okay. G-rated family entertainment. But showing boobs is out of the question, since that's offensive and immoral.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Wow. I knew about tv and movies being censored but not video games. Though I guess that should not be surprising.

Yeah, it's the Capitalist version of the Soviets.
Too my best knowledge books are about the only things not regularly censored and cluttered with pearl-clutcher morality ratings, but America has never been a country of readers, with many seeing reading a book of very practical information, instruction and learning to be the only suitable and appropriate use for a book if you have to use one. Anything beyond immediately practical and or for pleasure is where the distortions begin and accusation of "book learning" begin.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yeah, it's the Capitalist version of the Soviets.
Too my best knowledge books are about the only things not regularly censored and cluttered with pearl-clutcher morality ratings, but America has never been a country of readers, with many seeing reading a book of very practical information, instruction and learning to be the only suitable and appropriate use for a book if you have to use one. Anything beyond immediately practical and or for pleasure is where the distortions begin and accusation of "book learning" begin.

Sounds like a rather anti intellectual atmosphere/culture, if you ask me. No offence

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes, in America, anything with violence, war, blood, guts, gore -- that's all okay. G-rated family entertainment. But showing boobs is out of the question, since that's offensive and immoral.

Yeah, it's backwards that violence is more acceptable than language and nudity.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sounds like a rather anti intellectual atmosphere/culture, if you ask me. No offence

Again, it's not possible for me to take any because I often rant about the anti-intellectualism of American culture. It's a real thing, and I hate and despise it.