Missouri House passes bill for guns in churches, buses

[We Never Know]

Any church goers from Missouri in RF??

COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP) — Missouri's Republican-led House on Monday passed a bill that would allow guns in churches and on public transportation.

House lawmakers voted 109-36 in favor of the proposal, which now goes to the GOP-led Senate for consideration.

Currently, people need permission from religious leaders to bring firearms into places of religious worship in Missouri.

The pending bill would allow people with concealed carry permits to bring guns into churches, synagogues and mosques, and onto public transportation.

Missouri doesn’t require a concealed carry permit for gun ownership, but having a permit allows gun owners to bring their weapons into some otherwise restricted area in the state.

Maharat Rori Picker Neiss, the executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of St. Louis, said the measure would take away religious leaders' freedom to decide whether to allow weapons in places of worship.

Picker Neiss also cited the 2018 shooting massacre at Pittsburgh's Tree of Life synagogue, where 11 congregants were killed in what was the deadliest attack on Jews in U.S. history.

“We know what it is to see people attacked during worship services,” she said. “And we don’t think that worshippers with guns is going to be the answer to that.”

Another provision in the bill would ensure that gun stores are considered “essential” businesses, meaning the state and cities couldn’t order them closed during emergencies such as the coronavirus pandemic.

Yet another part of the bill would allow 18-year-olds to get concealed carry permits, which currently are only available to people at least 19 years old or 18-year-olds in the military.

The bill also would make it a felony to fire a gun in city limits, with a number of exceptions.

Missouri House passes bill for guns in churches, buses

 

[Heyo]

WARNING: Strong language and violence.

 

[PureX]

I wonder what happens when some idiot comes to church toting his armory, and the pastor tells him to leave.

 

[metis]

The one thing that has become increasingly clear, and that is that secular right-wing politics is now more important that Jesus' Gospel with probably a majority of the "religious right".

 

[Twilight Hue]

Any church goers from Missouri in RF??

COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP) — Missouri's Republican-led House on Monday passed a bill that would allow guns in churches and on public transportation.

House lawmakers voted 109-36 in favor of the proposal, which now goes to the GOP-led Senate for consideration.

Currently, people need permission from religious leaders to bring firearms into places of religious worship in Missouri.

The pending bill would allow people with concealed carry permits to bring guns into churches, synagogues and mosques, and onto public transportation.

Missouri doesn’t require a concealed carry permit for gun ownership, but having a permit allows gun owners to bring their weapons into some otherwise restricted area in the state.

Maharat Rori Picker Neiss, the executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of St. Louis, said the measure would take away religious leaders' freedom to decide whether to allow weapons in places of worship.

Picker Neiss also cited the 2018 shooting massacre at Pittsburgh's Tree of Life synagogue, where 11 congregants were killed in what was the deadliest attack on Jews in U.S. history.

“We know what it is to see people attacked during worship services,” she said. “And we don’t think that worshippers with guns is going to be the answer to that.”

Another provision in the bill would ensure that gun stores are considered “essential” businesses, meaning the state and cities couldn’t order them closed during emergencies such as the coronavirus pandemic.

Yet another part of the bill would allow 18-year-olds to get concealed carry permits, which currently are only available to people at least 19 years old or 18-year-olds in the military.

The bill also would make it a felony to fire a gun in city limits, with a number of exceptions.

Missouri House passes bill for guns in churches, buses

It's OK. People did that in the past. It would be nice to see that return with a renewed sense of responsibility of firearms. I also would love to see the gun club come back into schools as well.

Besides Guns n Bible's are a traditional thang!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sure, let's keep doing what has failed to prevent and curve gun violence. Let's keep ignoring the fact preventative care is the best care. Let's keep becoming more violent and more weaponized than any other industrialized Western nation. Let's keep pretending Cowboy fantasies are real.
Let's instead collectively acknowledge its all BS and the "Wild West" days had gun control and restrictions amd accept the fact we've become increasingly armed to our nation's detriment.

 

[metis]

Sure, let's keep doing what has failed to prevent and curve fun violence. Let's keep ignoring the fact preventative care is the best care. Let's keep becoming more violent and more weaponized than any other industrialized Western nation. Let's keep pretending Cowboy fantasies are real.
Let's instead collectively acknowledge its all BS and the "Wild West" days had gun control and restrictions amd accept the fact we've become increasingly armed to our nation's detriment.

Yep, and I've repeatedly asked that how is it that having over 300,000,000 guns here in the States is supposedly making it safer as the homicide and violent crime rates are now soaring.

 

[Kooky]

Sure, let's keep doing what has failed to prevent and curve gun violence. Let's keep ignoring the fact preventative care is the best care. Let's keep becoming more violent and more weaponized than any other industrialized Western nation. Let's keep pretending Cowboy fantasies are real.
Let's instead collectively acknowledge its all BS and the "Wild West" days had gun control and restrictions amd accept the fact we've become increasingly armed to our nation's detriment.

Now, to be fair, regardless of the efficacy of these laws - unlike regulation, they certainly will not hinder the sale and distribution of personal firearms.

And let's face it, aren't the profits of the arms industry what really matters to these decisionmakers?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yep, and I've repeatedly asked that how is it that having over 300,000,000 guns here in the States is supposedly making it safer as the homicide and violent crime rates are now soaring.

The guns nuts still have yet to swallow the reality of guns being turned against their owners, guns making impulsive violence problematic, and that guns for home defense often get used for reasons that aren't that. It's so pathetic they fail to realize why some people should not own a gun, such as those not in good mental health.
To use myself as an example, I've been told many times I need a gun to defend myself. But nobody who tells me this considers the fact I am prone to bouts of severe major depression. They don't seem to know or care that having hypo-manic episodes that can potentially rapidly cycle between that and depression puts people at an elevated suicide risk. They don't even ask me if I feel I need one or if I even want one. I don't.

 

[metis]

The guns nuts still have yet to swallow the reality of guns being turned against their owners, guns making impulsive violence problematic, and that guns for home defense often get used for reasons that aren't that. It's so pathetic they fail to realize why some people should not own a gun, such as those not in good mental health.
To use myself as an example, I've been told many times I need a gun to defend myself. But nobody who tells me this considers the fact I am prone to bouts of severe major depression. They don't seem to know or care that having hypo-manic episodes that can potentially rapidly cycle between that and depression puts people at an elevated suicide risk. They don't even ask me if I feel I need one or if I even want one. I don't.

Thanks so much for the above.

I have a son who suffers from bipolar disorder, and twice when he was in his teens he tried to commit suicide by cutting. For 5 weeks, we had to institutionalize him as he was out of control. Now he is 48 and owns his own business.

I asked him if we had a gun in our house would he have used it on himself, and he said that's what he wanted to do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I wonder what happens when some idiot comes to church toting his armory, and the pastor tells him to leave.

See previous post.

 

[PureX]

The guns nuts still have yet to swallow the reality of guns being turned against their owners, guns making impulsive violence problematic, and that guns for home defense often get used for reasons that aren't that. It's so pathetic they fail to realize why some people should not own a gun, such as those not in good mental health.
To use myself as an example, I've been told many times I need a gun to defend myself. But nobody who tells me this considers the fact I am prone to bouts of severe major depression. They don't seem to know or care that having hypo-manic episodes that can potentially rapidly cycle between that and depression puts people at an elevated suicide risk. They don't even ask me if I feel I need one or if I even want one. I don't.

They aren't ever going to accept the reality of these statistics. They are addicted to their guns as fetish objects, because having those guns make them feel powerful and in control of their own fate. When in reality they see themselves becoming more and more powerless and under the control of others. They have already chosen their fantasy over their reality and no one is going to make them give that sense of empowerment up, even if it is delusional. In fact, the more dangerous all those guns make them and their families, and make the rest of us, the more they will want even more guns. It's an addiction, and addictions are self-deceiving to the point of insanity.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They aren't ever going to accept the reality of these statistics. They are addicted to their guns as fetish objects, because having those guns make them feel powerful and in control of their own fate. When in reality they see themselves becoming more and more powerless and under the control of others. They have already chosen their fantasy over their reality and no one is going to make them give that sense of empowerment up, even if it is delusional. In fact, the more dangerous all those guns make them and their families, and all our lives, the more they will want even more guns. It's an addiction, and addictions are is self-deceiving to the point of insanity.

So, how did you develop mind reading abilities? How are you this certain it's an addiction amd not the result of many other factors (like fear, images of masculinity, and feeling of security)?

 

[PureX]

So, how did you develop mind reading abilities? How are you this certain it's an addiction amd not the result of many other factors (like fear, images of masculinity, and feeling of security)?

I'm an expert.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm an expert.

Yes, I think we've all heard you blowing your own horn.