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Modern Science Confirms Vedic Science

Hacking Consciousness, a Stanford University video series, investigates consciousness as the source of not only the human mind but also of all energy and matter. Consciousness is seen as the essence of the universe, a unified field which gives rise to and pervades all manifest phenomena. Five scientists from different disciplines describe how we can contact this field and use it to improve our lives. The series, designed by Michael Heinrich, is now available free on YouTube.

The intellectual background of the series is a fascinating conflict affecting all of us that is now going on in science and philosophy, centering on the question, What is the basis of the universe? In the 19th century advances in physics, chemistry, and biology led to an empiricist understanding of nature, and Enlightenment philosophy replaced superstition and myth. Leading thinkers in all these disciplines agreed that the universe is just matter in motion governed by natural laws which are open to human understanding. Reality is fundamentally material. Humans and other animals interact with an objective, external world through sensory input mediated by our consciousness, which is a neuro-chemical phenomenon of our brain cells. Thoughts are just reflections of the material world in the brain.

Early in the 20th century, though, experiments by physicists shattered this view of the world. Their studies of subatomic particles revealed facts incompatible with the classical materialist paradigm. Matter, supposedly the basis of the universe, proved to be insubstantial at the quantum scale, disappearing into wave functions that have only potential existence. Also at this scale the position and speed of an elementary particle are interrelated in such a way that it is impossible to know both of them. The more exactly one is determined, the more uncertain the other becomes, so motion can't be predicted.

More amazing yet, an objective world independent of the observer doesn't exist. The particles and the observer are linked at the quantum scale; the very act of observation affects the matter being observed. The realm of discrete objects is transcended and everything becomes united in an indivisible whole that is inherently subjective, since nothing else exists but that. Matter is continually emerging from and dissolving back into an abstract, nonmaterial unified field. The unified field is the ultimate reality, the source of the manifest universe. The frontier of science now lies in discovering more about this transcendental field.

This research sent shock waves not just through science but through the whole culture. Idealist philosophers, who maintain that the universe is fundamentally just thoughts and who had been pushed out to the fringes of philosophy by 19th-century empiricism, now seized upon these facts as proof that matter doesn't exist. Even some distinguished physicists such as Niels Bohr and James Jeans went to the extreme of trying to replace physical reality with human consciousness. The new knowledge also inspired postmodern philosophy, which declares reality to be a totally subjective collection of individual narratives without any overarching coherence.

The materialists, including many conventional physicists, fought back, deriding these theories as solipsistic nonsense based on unwarranted conclusions drawn from scanty evidence. They were confident that research in the future would confirm their view. But none has appeared, and the two sides have been at loggerheads for decades now. In true dialectical fashion a materialist thesis has been challenged by an idealist antithesis, and the two sides are locked in conflict. According to dialectics, this clash of mutually exclusive opposites will lead to a new synthesis that incorporates elements of both but at a higher level of knowledge. This is how science progresses, how our understanding of the world increases.

In the first session of Hacking Consciousness, John Hagelin, who has a PhD from Harvard in quantum physics, discusses how that synthesis is emerging now and from a surprising angle. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who had a master's degree in physics and then studied metaphysics with one of the great swamis of India, was able to fuse these two contradictory positions into a new wholeness. His knowledge of both sides of the dichotomy enabled him to develop a new paradigm that overcomes the binary opposition and gives us a deeper understanding of matter.

His starting point was the fact that both the universe and our minds have a similar, parallel structure. Both are composed of layers progressing from gross to subtle, from manifest to potential, each state very different from the previous. The gross, macroscopic level of the universe is the reality we perceive with our senses. The laws of classical mechanics accurately describe its activities.

Beneath it lie molecular, atomic, and subatomic levels whose activities can't be accurately described by classical mechanics. The new science of quantum mechanics was developed to explain these levels of reality. Then physicists discovered that quanta -- the tiniest physical unit -- manifest out of quantum fields which in turn have their source in a unified field of unmanifest potentiality. The laws of nature differ enough at these levels so that each needs to be dealt with on its own terms. We can't necessarily apply the laws of one level to another; they are related but still quite different realities. For example, dynamism is far greater at the finer levels than at the surface: nuclear power is millions of times stronger than chemical power.

The mind has a similar progression. The surface level is our ordinary thinking awareness which mediates our sense impressions of the macroscopic level of the universe. Beneath that surface lie subtler, subconscious levels of mental activity that science is beginning to explore. Underlying it all is a transcendental field out of which thoughts arise and which mystics, artists, and philosophers of all cultures have contacted and described as a reservoir of creativity and dynamism.

Maharishi revived the ancient Vedic technique of Transcendental Meditation, which allows the mind to effortlessly move from the surface down through the subconscious until it reaches this source of thought, an abstract, unbounded field where all thoughts fall away and the mind is left alert but nonactive, aware of its own nature, of its oneness with the universe. Here in the silent, thought-free state of transcendental consciousness the split between subject and object, observer and observed, is overcome, and the ultimate reality of unity is experienced. This is the state of samadhi, in which the mind absorbs some of the concentrated energy of that unified field and emerges ready for more fulfilling activity. EEG studies indicate that TM, due to its effortlessness, achieves this state of least mental excitation more effectively than other forms of meditation: Comparison of Techniques | truthabouttm.org.

Maharishi realized that thoughts are the mental equivalent of quanta and that the unified field we experience in samadhi is the same as the unified field underlying the universe. This discovery affects all of our lives because it shows that each of us contains the essence of the universe; in fact in the state of samadhi, where our individual boundaries fade and we merge with wholeness, each of us is the universe. But when we come out, we're back in the boundaries of surface reality, and there to say that we are the universe is mere solipsism. Each reality needs to be respected on its own terms.

Other teachers from the Orient have taken the idealist position and stated that the manifest universe is just maya, an illusion. But Maharishi integrated the materialist and idealist positions and showed that both are true at their own level. These levels are different realities with their own laws of nature that are valid there. Our surface world really is composed of matter in motion, and that matter and its motions can be reliably measured. The fact that it manifests out of a nonmaterial unified field doesn't make it an illusion. Manifestations are real at their level.

Hagelin presents theoretical and experimental evidence that the unified field of physics and the unified field of consciousness are identical -- i.e., that during the meditative state, human awareness directly experiences the unified field at the foundation of the universe.

The other speakers in the series discuss the implications of this new knowledge for their disciplines. They include Tony Nader, an MD with a PhD in physiology from MIT; Jon Lipman, an architect and vastu expert; Pamela Peeke, an MD and nutritionist; and Fred Travis, a brain-wave expert with a PhD in neuroscience.

Like most cutting edge research, their findings are controversial. After watching the videos you should decide for yourself how they fit with your ideas. One of the good features of YouTube is that you can share your opinions there with others.

. (If the images flicker, try them on full-screen mode.)
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Hacking Consciousness, a Stanford University video series, investigates consciousness as the source of not only the human mind but also of all energy and matter. Consciousness is seen as the essence of the universe, a unified field which gives rise to and pervades all manifest phenomena. Five scientists from different disciplines describe how we can contact this field and use it to improve our lives. The series, designed by Michael Heinrich, is now available free on YouTube.

The intellectual background of the series is a fascinating conflict affecting all of us that is now going on in science and philosophy, centering on the question, What is the basis of the universe? In the 19th century advances in physics, chemistry, and biology led to an empiricist understanding of nature, and Enlightenment philosophy replaced superstition and myth. Leading thinkers in all these disciplines agreed that the universe is just matter in motion governed by natural laws which are open to human understanding. Reality is fundamentally material. Humans and other animals interact with an objective, external world through sensory input mediated by our consciousness, which is a neuro-chemical phenomenon of our brain cells. Thoughts are just reflections of the material world in the brain.

Early in the 20th century, though, experiments by physicists shattered this view of the world. Their studies of subatomic particles revealed facts incompatible with the classical materialist paradigm. Matter, supposedly the basis of the universe, proved to be insubstantial at the quantum scale, disappearing into wave functions that have only potential existence. Also at this scale the position and speed of an elementary particle are interrelated in such a way that it is impossible to know both of them. The more exactly one is determined, the more uncertain the other becomes, so motion can't be predicted.

More amazing yet, an objective world independent of the observer doesn't exist. The particles and the observer are linked at the quantum scale; the very act of observation affects the matter being observed. The realm of discrete objects is transcended and everything becomes united in an indivisible whole that is inherently subjective, since nothing else exists but that. Matter is continually emerging from and dissolving back into an abstract, nonmaterial unified field. The unified field is the ultimate reality, the source of the manifest universe. The frontier of science now lies in discovering more about this transcendental field.

This research sent shock waves not just through science but through the whole culture. Idealist philosophers, who maintain that the universe is fundamentally just thoughts and who had been pushed out to the fringes of philosophy by 19th-century empiricism, now seized upon these facts as proof that matter doesn't exist. Even some distinguished physicists such as Niels Bohr and James Jeans went to the extreme of trying to replace physical reality with human consciousness. The new knowledge also inspired postmodern philosophy, which declares reality to be a totally subjective collection of individual narratives without any overarching coherence.

The materialists, including many conventional physicists, fought back, deriding these theories as solipsistic nonsense based on unwarranted conclusions drawn from scanty evidence. They were confident that research in the future would confirm their view. But none has appeared, and the two sides have been at loggerheads for decades now. In true dialectical fashion a materialist thesis has been challenged by an idealist antithesis, and the two sides are locked in conflict. According to dialectics, this clash of mutually exclusive opposites will lead to a new synthesis that incorporates elements of both but at a higher level of knowledge. This is how science progresses, how our understanding of the world increases.

In the first session of Hacking Consciousness, John Hagelin, who has a PhD from Harvard in quantum physics, discusses how that synthesis is emerging now and from a surprising angle. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who had a master's degree in physics and then studied metaphysics with one of the great swamis of India, was able to fuse these two contradictory positions into a new wholeness. His knowledge of both sides of the dichotomy enabled him to develop a new paradigm that overcomes the binary opposition and gives us a deeper understanding of matter.

His starting point was the fact that both the universe and our minds have a similar, parallel structure. Both are composed of layers progressing from gross to subtle, from manifest to potential, each state very different from the previous. The gross, macroscopic level of the universe is the reality we perceive with our senses. The laws of classical mechanics accurately describe its activities.

Beneath it lie molecular, atomic, and subatomic levels whose activities can't be accurately described by classical mechanics. The new science of quantum mechanics was developed to explain these levels of reality. Then physicists discovered that quanta -- the tiniest physical unit -- manifest out of quantum fields which in turn have their source in a unified field of unmanifest potentiality. The laws of nature differ enough at these levels so that each needs to be dealt with on its own terms. We can't necessarily apply the laws of one level to another; they are related but still quite different realities. For example, dynamism is far greater at the finer levels than at the surface: nuclear power is millions of times stronger than chemical power.

The mind has a similar progression. The surface level is our ordinary thinking awareness which mediates our sense impressions of the macroscopic level of the universe. Beneath that surface lie subtler, subconscious levels of mental activity that science is beginning to explore. Underlying it all is a transcendental field out of which thoughts arise and which mystics, artists, and philosophers of all cultures have contacted and described as a reservoir of creativity and dynamism.

Maharishi revived the ancient Vedic technique of Transcendental Meditation, which allows the mind to effortlessly move from the surface down through the subconscious until it reaches this source of thought, an abstract, unbounded field where all thoughts fall away and the mind is left alert but nonactive, aware of its own nature, of its oneness with the universe. Here in the silent, thought-free state of transcendental consciousness the split between subject and object, observer and observed, is overcome, and the ultimate reality of unity is experienced. This is the state of samadhi, in which the mind absorbs some of the concentrated energy of that unified field and emerges ready for more fulfilling activity. EEG studies indicate that TM, due to its effortlessness, achieves this state of least mental excitation more effectively than other forms of meditation: Comparison of Techniques | truthabouttm.org.

Maharishi realized that thoughts are the mental equivalent of quanta and that the unified field we experience in samadhi is the same as the unified field underlying the universe. This discovery affects all of our lives because it shows that each of us contains the essence of the universe; in fact in the state of samadhi, where our individual boundaries fade and we merge with wholeness, each of us is the universe. But when we come out, we're back in the boundaries of surface reality, and there to say that we are the universe is mere solipsism. Each reality needs to be respected on its own terms.

Other teachers from the Orient have taken the idealist position and stated that the manifest universe is just maya, an illusion. But Maharishi integrated the materialist and idealist positions and showed that both are true at their own level. These levels are different realities with their own laws of nature that are valid there. Our surface world really is composed of matter in motion, and that matter and its motions can be reliably measured. The fact that it manifests out of a nonmaterial unified field doesn't make it an illusion. Manifestations are real at their level.

Hagelin presents theoretical and experimental evidence that the unified field of physics and the unified field of consciousness are identical -- i.e., that during the meditative state, human awareness directly experiences the unified field at the foundation of the universe.

The other speakers in the series discuss the implications of this new knowledge for their disciplines. They include Tony Nader, an MD with a PhD in physiology from MIT; Jon Lipman, an architect and vastu expert; Pamela Peeke, an MD and nutritionist; and Fred Travis, a brain-wave expert with a PhD in neuroscience.

Like most cutting edge research, their findings are controversial. After watching the videos you should decide for yourself how they fit with your ideas. One of the good features of YouTube is that you can share your opinions there with others.

. (If the images flicker, try them on full-screen mode.)

Readers, Hagelin is a member of the Natural Law Party, who once in the 90s put a party political broadcast out on the BBC. I remember this and was gratified to find that some kind soul has made it available on YouTube. Here it is: click where it says you have to watch on YouTube and look out for the "yogic flying" - do try to watch it with a straight face:


But, to be more serious for a moment, a lot of what is written here, or rather, cut and pasted, seems to be meaningless nonsense. None of it is scientific. There is actually a term for this stuff: Quantum Woo.

Nothing in quantum theory denies an objective reality external to an observer. On the contrary, if there were no such external reality, it would be impossible to predict what observations to expect - something that QM does with spectacular success.
 
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LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
In the 19th century advances in physics, chemistry, and biology led to an empiricist understanding of nature, and Enlightenment philosophy replaced superstition and myth. Leading thinkers in all these disciplines agreed that the universe is just matter in motion governed by natural laws which are open to human understanding.
On the contrary, a great deal of 19th century “science” continued to be heavily influenced by forms of dualism, both in terms of a non-material substances and non-reductive consciousness or mind. This was the beginning of “empirical” vitalism, which lasted into the 20th century and was influential in the word “vitamin” (from vita anime) or even the basic organic vs. inorganic distinction that survives in chemistry today. In physics, the previous mechanical worldview or material bodies impinging upon on another, subject to (essentially) a single kind of force that determined precisely (in Laplacean manner and with his and Newton’s God’s eye perspective) the state of the entire universe (which consisted of material bodies and space). Newton’s attempt to explain light in terms of this kind of particle ontology was seriously challenged by Young’s experiments at the beginning of the 1800s and by mid-to-late 1800s a mathematical framework has unified two non-material forces into a recognizable formulation of today’s electromagnetism. Attempts to explain heat in terms of a pseudo-material entity were made but ultimately failed (which is why we still have calories as a unit, but no caloric theory of heat).

Even the idea that classical physics and classical physicists espoused, in general, a deterministic worldview of the kind “overthrown” by quantum mechanics is largely anachronistic: Was physics ever deterministic? The historical basis of determinism and the image of classical physics

So the ancient atomism in the form Newton and others championed had become seriously challenged, while chemists by and large (still suffering a bit from previous defeats) were loathe to accept the view that atoms of the modern type existed (Einstein won the Nobel prize in part for his work theoretical physics, a large contribution being his 1905 paper on Brownian motion which supported the existence of atoms.
In short, the idea that 19th century science was entirely rational, deterministic, and materialistic is an incredibly oversimplistic, naïve version of an anachronism.


Their studies of subatomic particles revealed facts incompatible with the classical materialist paradigm. Matter, supposedly the basis of the universe, proved to be insubstantial at the quantum scale, disappearing into wave functions that have only potential existence.
First, “matter” classically already didn’t fit well within the physics of the late 1800s. Radiation, for example, wasn’t “classical materialist” in the sense you seem to be implying.

And second, as for QM, wave mechanics came after matrix mechanics, and unfortunately became the more dominant representation for quantum systems largely due to the fact that physicists were unfamiliar with either linear algebra or functional analysis (Heisenberg invented matrix mechanics without knowing what a matrix was). The interpretation of the wave function emerged largely in operational terms, which were then unified into a kind of textbook standard interpretation. At no point were quantum systems insubstantial, and the were not fields. In fact, quantum field theory faced serious difficulties and two periods of extreme skepticism as to its usability in the 20th century, the first prior to the formulation of QED and the second with the failure of field theorists to adequately model subatomic forces within the quantum field theory framework.
Also at this scale the position and speed of an elementary particle are interrelated in such a way that it is impossible to know both of them. The more exactly one is determined, the more uncertain the other becomes, so motion can't be predicted.
Observables need not commute. The idea measuring one sort of canonical observable with more precision at the expense of another is more or less one simplified way of looking at things (Heisenberg’s microscope, and all) but it has unfortunately mislead the public quite a bit.

More amazing yet, an objective world independent of the observer doesn't exist.
The most that can be said of anybody who claims that any empirical science shows no objective world exists is that they can’t be believed. The actual issue is value definiteness and the limitations imposed upon us by the objective, external world in attempts to build a physical picture that is at once nonseperable, local, and causal.
The particles and the observer are linked at the quantum scale; the very act of observation affects the matter being observed.
The “orthodox” interpretation is rather that one does not say anything of the state or observable properties of a quantum system before measurement. Beyond that, this is still contested. Since the 50s, we’ve had a complete, deterministic formulation of quantum theory in terms of matter particles (Bohmian mechanics or the pilot-wave theory of quantum physics). The broader issue is the extent to which properties that we measure exist before measurement or independently of measurement and, if so, how they might and what we can say about them as well as what it is that quantum theory says about the world.
Matter is continually emerging from and dissolving back into an abstract, nonmaterial unified field. The unified field is the ultimate reality, the source of the manifest universe. The frontier of science now lies in discovering more about this transcendental field.
There is no unified field. Unified field theories didn’t work for Einstein and have been largely abandoned in favor of other attempts which range from string landscapes to non-unified physics and so on, but not the kind of field Hagelin started espousing in the 70s. There is no empirical support for that, no theoretical framework for it, and not really even an attempt to formulate something that resembles physics rather bunk.
some distinguished physicists such as Niels Bohr and James Jeans went to the extreme of trying to replace physical reality with human consciousness.
Bohr didn’t do this. Neither did the other founds, even in the Copenhagen tradition. Wigner probably came closest, with von Neumann’s use of psychophysical parallelism coming in at second.
The materialists, including many conventional physicists, fought back, deriding these theories as solipsistic nonsense based on unwarranted conclusions drawn from scanty evidence. They were confident that research in the future would confirm their view. But none has appeared, and the two sides have been at loggerheads for decades now.
This is not true. It’s the result of taking an extremely misinformed view of both the history of quantum physics and quantum theory itself and making up two camps that never existed with positions never held, at least until a small number of radicals in the 70s started playing around with exotic ideas. Some of these yielded fruitful results, but became physics (i.e., concerned with matter, in the various formulations and nuances physicists had increasingly used since the 1800s when speaking of physical or material systems). In mainstream physics, it is quite common for physicists to think of the ultimate constituents of reality in terms of e.g., information or similar abstractions. No unified field theory of consciousness, though. That’s still pseudoscience.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Hacking Consciousness, a Stanford University video series, investigates consciousness as the source of not only the human mind but also of all energy and matter. Consciousness is seen as the essence of the universe, a unified field which gives rise to and pervades all manifest phenomena. Five scientists from different disciplines describe how we can contact this field and use it to improve our lives. The series, designed by Michael Heinrich, is now available free on YouTube.

The intellectual background of the series is a fascinating conflict affecting all of us that is now going on in science and philosophy, centering on the question, What is the basis of the universe? In the 19th century advances in physics, chemistry, and biology led to an empiricist understanding of nature, and Enlightenment philosophy replaced superstition and myth. Leading thinkers in all these disciplines agreed that the universe is just matter in motion governed by natural laws which are open to human understanding. Reality is fundamentally material. Humans and other animals interact with an objective, external world through sensory input mediated by our consciousness, which is a neuro-chemical phenomenon of our brain cells. Thoughts are just reflections of the material world in the brain.

Early in the 20th century, though, experiments by physicists shattered this view of the world. Their studies of subatomic particles revealed facts incompatible with the classical materialist paradigm. Matter, supposedly the basis of the universe, proved to be insubstantial at the quantum scale, disappearing into wave functions that have only potential existence. Also at this scale the position and speed of an elementary particle are interrelated in such a way that it is impossible to know both of them. The more exactly one is determined, the more uncertain the other becomes, so motion can't be predicted.

More amazing yet, an objective world independent of the observer doesn't exist. The particles and the observer are linked at the quantum scale; the very act of observation affects the matter being observed. The realm of discrete objects is transcended and everything becomes united in an indivisible whole that is inherently subjective, since nothing else exists but that. Matter is continually emerging from and dissolving back into an abstract, nonmaterial unified field. The unified field is the ultimate reality, the source of the manifest universe. The frontier of science now lies in discovering more about this transcendental field.

This research sent shock waves not just through science but through the whole culture. Idealist philosophers, who maintain that the universe is fundamentally just thoughts and who had been pushed out to the fringes of philosophy by 19th-century empiricism, now seized upon these facts as proof that matter doesn't exist. Even some distinguished physicists such as Niels Bohr and James Jeans went to the extreme of trying to replace physical reality with human consciousness. The new knowledge also inspired postmodern philosophy, which declares reality to be a totally subjective collection of individual narratives without any overarching coherence.

The materialists, including many conventional physicists, fought back, deriding these theories as solipsistic nonsense based on unwarranted conclusions drawn from scanty evidence. They were confident that research in the future would confirm their view. But none has appeared, and the two sides have been at loggerheads for decades now. In true dialectical fashion a materialist thesis has been challenged by an idealist antithesis, and the two sides are locked in conflict. According to dialectics, this clash of mutually exclusive opposites will lead to a new synthesis that incorporates elements of both but at a higher level of knowledge. This is how science progresses, how our understanding of the world increases.

In the first session of Hacking Consciousness, John Hagelin, who has a PhD from Harvard in quantum physics, discusses how that synthesis is emerging now and from a surprising angle. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who had a master's degree in physics and then studied metaphysics with one of the great swamis of India, was able to fuse these two contradictory positions into a new wholeness. His knowledge of both sides of the dichotomy enabled him to develop a new paradigm that overcomes the binary opposition and gives us a deeper understanding of matter.

His starting point was the fact that both the universe and our minds have a similar, parallel structure. Both are composed of layers progressing from gross to subtle, from manifest to potential, each state very different from the previous. The gross, macroscopic level of the universe is the reality we perceive with our senses. The laws of classical mechanics accurately describe its activities.

Beneath it lie molecular, atomic, and subatomic levels whose activities can't be accurately described by classical mechanics. The new science of quantum mechanics was developed to explain these levels of reality. Then physicists discovered that quanta -- the tiniest physical unit -- manifest out of quantum fields which in turn have their source in a unified field of unmanifest potentiality. The laws of nature differ enough at these levels so that each needs to be dealt with on its own terms. We can't necessarily apply the laws of one level to another; they are related but still quite different realities. For example, dynamism is far greater at the finer levels than at the surface: nuclear power is millions of times stronger than chemical power.

The mind has a similar progression. The surface level is our ordinary thinking awareness which mediates our sense impressions of the macroscopic level of the universe. Beneath that surface lie subtler, subconscious levels of mental activity that science is beginning to explore. Underlying it all is a transcendental field out of which thoughts arise and which mystics, artists, and philosophers of all cultures have contacted and described as a reservoir of creativity and dynamism.

Maharishi revived the ancient Vedic technique of Transcendental Meditation, which allows the mind to effortlessly move from the surface down through the subconscious until it reaches this source of thought, an abstract, unbounded field where all thoughts fall away and the mind is left alert but nonactive, aware of its own nature, of its oneness with the universe. Here in the silent, thought-free state of transcendental consciousness the split between subject and object, observer and observed, is overcome, and the ultimate reality of unity is experienced. This is the state of samadhi, in which the mind absorbs some of the concentrated energy of that unified field and emerges ready for more fulfilling activity. EEG studies indicate that TM, due to its effortlessness, achieves this state of least mental excitation more effectively than other forms of meditation: Comparison of Techniques | truthabouttm.org.

Maharishi realized that thoughts are the mental equivalent of quanta and that the unified field we experience in samadhi is the same as the unified field underlying the universe. This discovery affects all of our lives because it shows that each of us contains the essence of the universe; in fact in the state of samadhi, where our individual boundaries fade and we merge with wholeness, each of us is the universe. But when we come out, we're back in the boundaries of surface reality, and there to say that we are the universe is mere solipsism. Each reality needs to be respected on its own terms.

Other teachers from the Orient have taken the idealist position and stated that the manifest universe is just maya, an illusion. But Maharishi integrated the materialist and idealist positions and showed that both are true at their own level. These levels are different realities with their own laws of nature that are valid there. Our surface world really is composed of matter in motion, and that matter and its motions can be reliably measured. The fact that it manifests out of a nonmaterial unified field doesn't make it an illusion. Manifestations are real at their level.

Hagelin presents theoretical and experimental evidence that the unified field of physics and the unified field of consciousness are identical -- i.e., that during the meditative state, human awareness directly experiences the unified field at the foundation of the universe.

The other speakers in the series discuss the implications of this new knowledge for their disciplines. They include Tony Nader, an MD with a PhD in physiology from MIT; Jon Lipman, an architect and vastu expert; Pamela Peeke, an MD and nutritionist; and Fred Travis, a brain-wave expert with a PhD in neuroscience.

Like most cutting edge research, their findings are controversial. After watching the videos you should decide for yourself how they fit with your ideas. One of the good features of YouTube is that you can share your opinions there with others.

. (If the images flicker, try them on full-screen mode.)
Just reading first line from each paragraph we
see the woo -signs as clear as Jacobean English says " Bible".

More amazing still ....
The research sent shock waves ...
The materialists...
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Not only failed to keep a straight face but laughed loudly. I think the newspaper would call it a "guffaw". I really was not expecting that.
Yeah, I remember it from watching the original broadcast. We were all dumbfounded that this went out as a party political broadcast. We thought it must be a Monty Python spoof at first. But no, it was serious.:D
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Readers, Hagelin is a member of the Natural Law Party, who once in the 90s put a party political broadcast out on the BBC. I remember this and was gratified to find that some kind soul has made it available on YouTube. Here it is: click where it says you have to watch on YouTube and look out for the "yogic flying" - do try to watch it with a straight face:


But, to be more serious for a moment, a lot of what is written here, or rather, cut and pasted, seems to be meaningless nonsense. None of it is scientific. There is actually a term for this stuff: Quantum Woo.

Nothing in quantum theory denies an objective reality external to an observer. On the contrary, if there were no such external reality, it would be impossible to predict what observations to expect - something that QM does with spectacular success.
Sorry. I failed. I just lost it when the yogic flying was done.
 

WalterTrull

Godfella
Readers, Hagelin is a member of the Natural Law Party, who once in the 90s put a party political broadcast out on the BBC. I remember this and was gratified to find that some kind soul has made it available on YouTube. Here it is: click where it says you have to watch on YouTube and look out for the "yogic flying" - do try to watch it with a straight face:


.

I was soo hoping the yogis would hover. Rats.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Whether I see claims of “consciousness” and “quantum physics” together, it is always by some woo-woo theorists.

It reminds me of days where there are no separation of astrology from astronomy.

And even today, people (including some scientists) are still mixing sciences with pseudoscience from the religionists, mystics and occultists.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Modern Science Confirms Vedic Science

Please quote in this connection from:
  1. A textbook of science
  2. A scientific article published by journal of repute reviewed by peers as is customary
  3. A claim from Veda with gist of reasons given, please.
Right?

Regards
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Modern Science Confirms Vedic Science

Please quote in this connection from:
  1. A textbook of science
  2. A scientific article published by journal of repute reviewed by peers as is customary
  3. A claim from Veda with gist of reasons given, please.
Right?

Regards
As if
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Early in the 20th century, though, experiments by physicists shattered this view of the world. Their studies of subatomic particles revealed facts incompatible with the classical materialist paradigm.
What you’d call ”shatter”, I would call it - “progress”.

Sciences should based their models on observed evidence or on the repeatability of experiments...or (ideally) both.

And it isn’t so much incompatible with classical paradigm as it is expansion to our understanding of matters and atoms.

Sciences aren’t about keeping up the tradition, but about continuously learning, advancing and progressing forward.

Much smaller particles than proton and neutron - the quarks can only be observed (detecting & measuring) by scattering & smashing particles with particle accelerator or collider.

But normal chemical reactions are still valid on larger scale than elementary particles, matters are still made of atoms bonding together as elements, molecules and compounds.

And consciousness can only be studied at molecular level of brain and nerves, so neurons & synapses, electrical impulse through brain chemistry, the physiological processes of the brains, cortex, nerves, and sensory organs (eg eyes, ears, nose, etc).

I think turning consciousness to the quantum mechanics, is heading in the wrong direction, because the way brains, nerve and organs operate on biochemistry level and biophysics level.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Hacking Consciousness, a Stanford University video series, investigates consciousness as the source of not only the human mind but also of all energy and matter. Consciousness is seen as the essence of the universe, a unified field which gives rise to and pervades all manifest phenomena. Five scientists from different disciplines describe how we can contact this field and use it to improve our lives. The series, designed by Michael Heinrich, is now available free on YouTube.

The intellectual background of the series is a fascinating conflict affecting all of us that is now going on in science and philosophy, centering on the question, What is the basis of the universe? In the 19th century advances in physics, chemistry, and biology led to an empiricist understanding of nature, and Enlightenment philosophy replaced superstition and myth. Leading thinkers in all these disciplines agreed that the universe is just matter in motion governed by natural laws which are open to human understanding. Reality is fundamentally material. Humans and other animals interact with an objective, external world through sensory input mediated by our consciousness, which is a neuro-chemical phenomenon of our brain cells. Thoughts are just reflections of the material world in the brain.

Early in the 20th century, though, experiments by physicists shattered this view of the world. Their studies of subatomic particles revealed facts incompatible with the classical materialist paradigm. Matter, supposedly the basis of the universe, proved to be insubstantial at the quantum scale, disappearing into wave functions that have only potential existence. Also at this scale the position and speed of an elementary particle are interrelated in such a way that it is impossible to know both of them. The more exactly one is determined, the more uncertain the other becomes, so motion can't be predicted.

More amazing yet, an objective world independent of the observer doesn't exist. The particles and the observer are linked at the quantum scale; the very act of observation affects the matter being observed. The realm of discrete objects is transcended and everything becomes united in an indivisible whole that is inherently subjective, since nothing else exists but that. Matter is continually emerging from and dissolving back into an abstract, nonmaterial unified field. The unified field is the ultimate reality, the source of the manifest universe. The frontier of science now lies in discovering more about this transcendental field.

This research sent shock waves not just through science but through the whole culture. Idealist philosophers, who maintain that the universe is fundamentally just thoughts and who had been pushed out to the fringes of philosophy by 19th-century empiricism, now seized upon these facts as proof that matter doesn't exist. Even some distinguished physicists such as Niels Bohr and James Jeans went to the extreme of trying to replace physical reality with human consciousness. The new knowledge also inspired postmodern philosophy, which declares reality to be a totally subjective collection of individual narratives without any overarching coherence.

The materialists, including many conventional physicists, fought back, deriding these theories as solipsistic nonsense based on unwarranted conclusions drawn from scanty evidence. They were confident that research in the future would confirm their view. But none has appeared, and the two sides have been at loggerheads for decades now. In true dialectical fashion a materialist thesis has been challenged by an idealist antithesis, and the two sides are locked in conflict. According to dialectics, this clash of mutually exclusive opposites will lead to a new synthesis that incorporates elements of both but at a higher level of knowledge. This is how science progresses, how our understanding of the world increases.

In the first session of Hacking Consciousness, John Hagelin, who has a PhD from Harvard in quantum physics, discusses how that synthesis is emerging now and from a surprising angle. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who had a master's degree in physics and then studied metaphysics with one of the great swamis of India, was able to fuse these two contradictory positions into a new wholeness. His knowledge of both sides of the dichotomy enabled him to develop a new paradigm that overcomes the binary opposition and gives us a deeper understanding of matter.

His starting point was the fact that both the universe and our minds have a similar, parallel structure. Both are composed of layers progressing from gross to subtle, from manifest to potential, each state very different from the previous. The gross, macroscopic level of the universe is the reality we perceive with our senses. The laws of classical mechanics accurately describe its activities.

Beneath it lie molecular, atomic, and subatomic levels whose activities can't be accurately described by classical mechanics. The new science of quantum mechanics was developed to explain these levels of reality. Then physicists discovered that quanta -- the tiniest physical unit -- manifest out of quantum fields which in turn have their source in a unified field of unmanifest potentiality. The laws of nature differ enough at these levels so that each needs to be dealt with on its own terms. We can't necessarily apply the laws of one level to another; they are related but still quite different realities. For example, dynamism is far greater at the finer levels than at the surface: nuclear power is millions of times stronger than chemical power.

The mind has a similar progression. The surface level is our ordinary thinking awareness which mediates our sense impressions of the macroscopic level of the universe. Beneath that surface lie subtler, subconscious levels of mental activity that science is beginning to explore. Underlying it all is a transcendental field out of which thoughts arise and which mystics, artists, and philosophers of all cultures have contacted and described as a reservoir of creativity and dynamism.

Maharishi revived the ancient Vedic technique of Transcendental Meditation, which allows the mind to effortlessly move from the surface down through the subconscious until it reaches this source of thought, an abstract, unbounded field where all thoughts fall away and the mind is left alert but nonactive, aware of its own nature, of its oneness with the universe. Here in the silent, thought-free state of transcendental consciousness the split between subject and object, observer and observed, is overcome, and the ultimate reality of unity is experienced. This is the state of samadhi, in which the mind absorbs some of the concentrated energy of that unified field and emerges ready for more fulfilling activity. EEG studies indicate that TM, due to its effortlessness, achieves this state of least mental excitation more effectively than other forms of meditation: Comparison of Techniques | truthabouttm.org.

Maharishi realized that thoughts are the mental equivalent of quanta and that the unified field we experience in samadhi is the same as the unified field underlying the universe. This discovery affects all of our lives because it shows that each of us contains the essence of the universe; in fact in the state of samadhi, where our individual boundaries fade and we merge with wholeness, each of us is the universe. But when we come out, we're back in the boundaries of surface reality, and there to say that we are the universe is mere solipsism. Each reality needs to be respected on its own terms.

Other teachers from the Orient have taken the idealist position and stated that the manifest universe is just maya, an illusion. But Maharishi integrated the materialist and idealist positions and showed that both are true at their own level. These levels are different realities with their own laws of nature that are valid there. Our surface world really is composed of matter in motion, and that matter and its motions can be reliably measured. The fact that it manifests out of a nonmaterial unified field doesn't make it an illusion. Manifestations are real at their level.

Hagelin presents theoretical and experimental evidence that the unified field of physics and the unified field of consciousness are identical -- i.e., that during the meditative state, human awareness directly experiences the unified field at the foundation of the universe.

The other speakers in the series discuss the implications of this new knowledge for their disciplines. They include Tony Nader, an MD with a PhD in physiology from MIT; Jon Lipman, an architect and vastu expert; Pamela Peeke, an MD and nutritionist; and Fred Travis, a brain-wave expert with a PhD in neuroscience.

Like most cutting edge research, their findings are controversial. After watching the videos you should decide for yourself how they fit with your ideas. One of the good features of YouTube is that you can share your opinions there with others.

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Bovine scatology.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Modern Science Confirms Vedic Science

Please quote in this connection from:
  1. A textbook of science
  2. A scientific article published by journal of repute reviewed by peers as is customary
  3. A claim from Veda with gist of reasons given, please.
Right? Regards
What as if?

Regards
 
Yogic flying is wonderful! It’s a powerful way to raise your kundalini energy from the base of the spine up to your higher centers for more vitality. It is described in the ancient texts as the frog sutra because it gives you an impulse to hop up into the air. It looks funny, but the experience is delightful.
 
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