Monarch's Eras

[Rival]

Since Queen Victoria was born in the Georgian era and came to the throne at 18, was Victoria a Georgian, or a Victorian?

Was King James I/VI an Elizabethan/Marian or a Jacobean?

How does this work??

@Augustus @exchemist

 

[exchemist]

Since Queen Victoria was born in the Georgian era and came to the throne at 18, was Victoria a Georgian, or a Victorian?

Was King James I/VI an Elizabethan/Marian or a Jacobean?

How does this work??

@Augustus @exchemist

You mean, on the basis that Christ was a Jew? Or perhaps that the dawn of Christianity is dated from the (slightly wrongly estimated) date of His birth?

Not really, though. In the case of a monarch, I should have thought history should generally define them in terms of their reign, rather than when they were born, and therefore should be taken as belonging to the eponymous era.

 

[Rival]

You mean, on the basis that Christ was a Jew?

I'm pretty sure Jesus was a Protestant and used the King James Bible

 

[exchemist]

I'm pretty sure Jesus was a Protestant and used the King James Bible

Naow Paoperaeigh!!

 

[rocala]

Since Queen Victoria was born in the Georgian era and came to the throne at 18, was Victoria a Georgian, or a Victorian?

If we go from Georgian to Victorian what was William IV?

 

[Rival]

If we go from Georgian to Victorian what was William IV?

Georgian

We don't really have a name for the William eras so we call this one Georgian, don't we

 

[rocala]

Well I am glad that the Saxon period is called precisely that. If you read English history from that period, nearly everybody's name begins with Ethel. The alternatives are too horrible to think about.

 

[Heyo]

Since Queen Victoria was born in the Georgian era and came to the throne at 18, was Victoria a Georgian, or a Victorian?

Was King James I/VI an Elizabethan/Marian or a Jacobean?

How does this work??

@Augustus @exchemist

An era is a time frame, just like a century is a time frame. Was Victoria a 19th or 20th century monarch? (She died in the 20th century.)
Monarch's eras are usually the time of their reign. Sometimes (as with George and William) an era is extended beyond the reign when the successor didn't change politics or made a name for themselves.
Same goes for the reign of families/houses.

 

[Rival]

An era is a time frame, just like a century is a time frame. Was Victoria a 19th or 20th century monarch? (She died in the 20th century.)
Monarch's eras are usually the time of their reign. Sometimes (as with George and William) an era is extended beyond the reign when the successor didn't change politics or made a name for themselves.
Same goes for the reign of families/houses.

I'm not talking about their era. Victoria was born in the reign of another monarch, of course, so was she a member of that monarch's era or the era named after her when hers began? Charles III, for instance, spent most his life as an Elizabethan, so is he an Elizabethan or a Carolingian?

 

[exchemist]

Georgian

We don't really have a name for the William eras so we call this one Georgian, don't we

Yes, not everyone has an era. These descriptors seem to be reserved for periods that have notable characteristics, differentiating them from what went before and what came after, that more or less coincide with the reign of monarchs with that name. What do we have in English (and I mean English) history? The ones that spring to mind are Elizabethan, Jacobean, Restoration*, Georgian, Victorian and Edwardian. Are there others?

*no one says Carolingian, perhaps because Charlemagne has already pinched it.

 

[Heyo]

I'm not talking about their era. Victoria was born in the reign of another monarch, of course, so was she a member of that monarch's era or the era named after her when hers began? Charles III, for instance, spent most his life as an Elizabethan, so is he an Elizabethan or a Carolingian?

Both, just as I am (and I think you are) both of the 20th as of the 21st century.

 

[Rival]

Yes, not everyone has an era. These descriptors seem to be reserved for periods that have notable characteristics, differentiating them from what went before and what came after, that more or less coincide with the reign of monarchs with that name. What do we have in English (and I mean English) history? The ones that spring to mind are Elizabethan, Jacobean, Restoration*, Georgian, Victorian and Edwardian. Are there others?

*no one says Carolingian, perhaps because Charlemagne has already pinched it.

When I asked what will we be called now Charles is King, you said Carolingian!

Henrician (Henry VIII)
Regency
Dual Monarchy (Will and Mary)

 

[Heyo]

*no one says Carolingian, perhaps because Charlemagne has already pinched it.

But we do: Carolingian dynasty - Wikipedia

 

[syo]

Victoria and Marie Antoinette are by far my favorite queens.

 

[exchemist]

When I asked what will we be called now Charles is King, you said Carolingian!

Henrician (Henry VIII)
Regency
Dual Monarchy (Will and Mary)

Yes Regency is one I missed. Thanks.

Does anyone actually use Henrician, and if so does it include Henry VII? Dual Monarchy I have never heard - but I'm not an* historian.

Re Charles III and Carolingian, yes, I may have said that, as it has had some brief currency in the media in the period after his coronation. But it's a bit tongue in cheek. You can't really use that term for Chas III without making clear you don't mean Charlemagne - or Charles I or II, come to that.

*I claim 5 pedantry points.

 

[Rival]

Yes Regency is one I missed. Thanks.

Does anyone actually use Henrician, and if so does it include Henry VII? Dual Monarchy I have never heard - but I'm not an* historian.

Re Charles III and Carolingian, yes, I may have said that, as it has had some brief currency in the media in the period after his coronation. But it's a bit tongue in cheek. You can't really use that term for Chas III without making clear you don't mean Charlemagne - of Charles I or II come to that.

*I claim 5 pedantry points.

I've heard them all used by historians. I think Henrician is applied to most Henrys but has an especial place for the most obvious one in English history.

 

[Callisto]

If we go from Georgian to Victorian what was William IV?

His reign was brief (7 years) and is considered part of the Georgian era.

 

[rocala]

It seems to be a rather odd system of classification. Does any other country do this? We had four Stuarts in a line as we did with four Georges. Victoria was a one-off but from early in her long reign we saw the start of change and development. The introduction of postage stamps and the registration of births, marriages and deaths. The development of the railways was an incredibly significant feature of her time.

The Victorian period was followed by the Edwardian. I am not really sure what he did to deserve an era to himself.

 

[Heyo]

It seems to be a rather odd system of classification. Does any other country do this?

It's pretty much a European thing as "the monarchy" is pretty much a European thing and European monarchs are one inbred family. Though most of the time it is the reign of a house that gives a period its name. But it is unusual that a monarch reigns as long as Elizabeth or Victoria so they deserved their own era.

 

[Callisto]

I think monarchies are being confused, Carolingian doesn't refer to previous British periods. Charles III's reign would be called the New Carolean to distinguish it from King Charles II's which was the Carolean Era. King Charles I's reign is usually labeled the Caroline era though sometimes you find the two (Carolean/Caroline) used interchangeably for both periods.