Monotheists: why only one god?

[Rival]

It is so funny how you use the word Ancient and continue to try and defend polytheism and call me nonsensical. Haha well I do live in the 21st century and I think I will stay here. It is clear to me that Monotheism is crucial for the advancement and betterment in society, because it has produced far more unity and acceptance than any other ism. Popes do not represent Monotheism as they do not claim to be God nor the voice of God or prophets. Stalin represents Atheism because he claimed all the powers to make it so. You can live in the 'Ancient' days and not accept that all you want, but when you finally catch up to the rest of the world, I hope you see that the reason people choose Monotheism is because it works. Anything else has been tried and failed miserably eventually.

Dude, I am a monotheist.

And no, Stalin didn't claim special powers.

What are you even talking about?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

It is so funny how you use the word Ancient and continue to try and defend polytheism and call me nonsensical. Haha well I do live in the 21st century and I think I will stay here. It is clear to me that Monotheism is crucial for the advancement and betterment in society, because it has produced far more unity and acceptance than any other ism. Popes do not represent Monotheism as they do not claim to be God nor the voice of God or prophets. Stalin represents Atheism because he claimed all the powers to make it so. You can live in the 'Ancient' days and not accept that all you want, but when you finally catch up to the rest of the world, I hope you see that the reason people choose Monotheism is because it works. Anything else has been tried and failed miserably eventually.

I believe you are confusing peace with quiet. —- Ultron

 

[Jacob Samuelson]

Dude, I am a monotheist.

And no, Stalin didn't claim special powers.

What are you even talking about?

Of course you are a monotheist! Well if that is the case, than instead of me answering the question of why I am a monotheist, maybe you can support your own reasons. So far, you have done nothing but defend Atheism and Polytheism, apparently none of which need defending by you, and proving that this exercise was completely futile. You just don't want to agree with me apparently.

 

[Rival]

Of course you are a monotheist! Well if that is the case, than instead of me answering the question of why I am a monotheist, maybe you can support your own reasons. So far, you have done nothing but defend Atheism and Polytheism, apparently none of which need defending by you, and proving that this exercise was completely futile. You just don't want to agree with me apparently.

You should read my first post in this thread.

You just came here and crapped all over polytheists and atheists.

 

[Jacob Samuelson]

You should read my first post in this thread.

You just came here and crapped all over polytheists and atheists.

I think its more fair to rely on posts that are directed to me and not to the almost hundred of posts that are buried in the thread. Don't you? Even if I did read your post, I would have responded the same. My 'crap' was the answer to the OP and was my defense in why I personally am not Atheist, which is the position of the author of the OP and why I am not Polytheist, which was the argument that the OP was giving. I rely on historical data. I don't crap on people. I point out the crap that History gives us for certain Ideologies within it. I don't judge Polytheist and Atheist for believing what they believe, but I am dissuaded by their philosophies because of historical data. I am sure that this holds true for many monotheist as well. I think you will see that my opinions were not to specific individuals or persons but what the influence on the ideology itself has caused in the past. They can take it personally if they want to, but in no ways am I attacking people.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

You don’t rely on historical data, though.

 

[night912]

Are you assuming that the God that Theist believe in is as selfish, unrighteous, and unloving as Stalin and Lenin?

So now you're coming up excuses after it's been demonstrated that your claim is not true?

Let's see....

1. Selfish - wants to be worship
2. Unrighteous - genocide
3. Unloving - punishing someone for their ancestor's wrongful actions just because of their blood relations

So the answer to your question is NO, that God is actually worse.

 

[muhammad_isa]

1. Selfish - wants to be worship
2. Unrighteous - genocide
3. Unloving - punishing someone for their ancestor's wrongful actions just because of their blood relations

So the answer to your question is NO, that God is actually worse.

Your perception is seriously flawed.

First of all, God does not WANT to be worshipped in an egotistic way .. He wants us to remember Him and keep from evil .. He wants good for us.

Secondly, there are consequences for everything that we do.
God warns us of this, and we ignore it at our own peril.
Quoting literal verses of Bible / Quran can be decetful, as God is a spiritual concept and often needs to be understood metaphorically.

..and finally, the punishment of ancestor's wrongdoings is not a "prescribed punishment", but is a consequence of who we are .. what we believe .. how we behave etc. etc.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So monotheists: what gives? Why not two gods? Why not 10?

What does science say about the source of creation?

Regards Tony

 

[night912]

Your perception is seriously flawed.

First of all, God does not WANT to be worshipped in an egotistic way .. He wants us to remember Him and keep from evil .. He wants good for us.

Secondly, there are consequences for everything that we do.
God warns us of this, and we ignore it at our own peril.
Quoting literal verses of Bible / Quran can be decetful, as God is a spiritual concept and often needs to be understood metaphorically.

..and finally, the punishment of ancestor's wrongdoings is not a "prescribed punishment", but is a consequence of who we are .. what we believe .. how we behave etc. etc.

It's odd that I never claimed nor even mentioned the Abrahamic god and yet, you automatically assumed that it was the god that you specifically worship.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What does science say about the source of creation?

Regards Tony

It sure doesn't suggest that gods were involved.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It sure doesn't suggest that gods were involved.

That did not answer the question. I understand why you did not though.

By not answering that question, it is pointless discussing why there can be seen to be only One God, as creation ties back to God, all we can know of creation, ties back to God.

Regards Tony

 

[KWED]

I think I asked this a few years ago and didn't get much of a response, so I figured I'd ask again:

Those of you who are monotheists: how do you justify your position that two or more gods do not exist?

I mean, we've seen all the threads here directed at atheists about burden of proof and the like, and plenty of theists - often monotheists, ironically - have gone on at length about the problems they see with the conclusion that no gods exist.

... but here's the thing: if these problems are problems at all, they don't just apply to atheism. All the objections along the lines of "well, what if there's some god out there that you haven't noticed?" work just as well for a second god to a monotheist as a first god for an atheist.

So these objections to atheists saying "there are no gods" can really be seen as expressions of a larger idea: if you think only a specific number of gods exist and no more than that - whether it's 0, 1, 3, or 94 - how do you know there aren't more gods than that?

A lot of the responses to this question I've seen from atheists have been some form of argument that gods are impossible in general... but of course these arguments aren't available to a monotheist.

So monotheists: what gives? Why not two gods? Why not 10?

Good point.
How do monotheists know there is only one god? Because their god tells them there is. There might be other gods doing the same elsewhere in the universe. Perhaps their power is not sufficient to overcome the other gods? Perhaps they have come to a power-sharing agreement where they each keep to their agreed turf.
If those other gods do not make themselves known to us, how could we know they exist?

 

[KWED]

It's more or less getting to the heart and saying 'If there's one omnimax God, why any others?'

If there's one prime minister, why any others?

 

[muhammad_isa]

..There might be other gods doing the same elsewhere in the universe..

You don't believe that .. and neither do I.

 

[KWED]

But only God is the God of all Creation and ultimately is the true God. In the Christian view.

But you only have his word for that. He could be taking the credit for someone else's work. Or perhaps it was a group effort and they all agree to claim responsibility in their own domain and keep out of the affairs of the others.

 

[KWED]

To me God means the highest. There can be only one highest.

And as it is said in the Bible:

….For though there are things that are called "gods," whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many "gods" and many "lords;" yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
1 Corinthians 8:4-6

The world has different leaders of equivalent rank in their own countries.
Perhaps the universe has different gods of equivalent rank in their own galaxies (for example). Without contacting intelligent life in other galaxies, how would we ever know? If each god claims to be the one and only, who is to contradict them?

 

[Rival]

If there's one prime minister, why any others?

Um, this country only has one Prime Minister.

 

[KWED]

Well okams razor………..why postulating 2 or 3 or 10 Gods if one is enough to explain the stuff that is commonly attributed to God.

So you agree that positing one god contravenes Occam's Razor.

 

[KWED]

According this scientist, mathematically there can not be two or more omnipotent, omniscient Gods:

But we only have one god's word that he is omnipotent and omniscient. He might not be.