(1) If a hypothetical creator can create morality from nothing, he can make it whatever he wants.
(2) If he can make whatever he wants, it can be arbitrary.
(3) If it can be arbitrary, it can be deemed moral to forever torture babies for no crime they done in severe torture/pain with no end to it.
(4) It cannot be in any possible world that it's moral to forever torture babies for no crime they done in severe torture/pain with no end to it.
(5) Therefore morality can't be arbitrary. (combination (3)(4))
(6)Therefore a hypothetical creator can't make it whatever he wants.(combination (5)(2))
(7)Therefore a hypothetical creator can't create morality from nothing.(combination (6)(1))
(8) If a hypothetical creator can't bring in morality so can't evolution since a hypothetical creator can create everything evolution can (structure wise).
(9)Therefore morality exists eternally.(combination (8)(7))
(10)If morality exists eternally, it includes all levels of moral greatness and possible goodness.
(11) The only being that can see ultimate morality is God
Therefore God exists eternally. (combination 9, 10, 11)
If one is truly going to ask the question: “Does a creator entity exist?” The investigator must entertain the possibility that there are three possible answers, [1] Yes there is, [2] No there is not, [3] I don’t know, there is insufficient information.
You are not an unbiased investigator. For you, there can only be one answer, that your creator entity exists. For you there is no question. This puts you at a disadvantage when it comes to evaluating evidence in a clear and unbiased way.
What follows is the Wikipedia explanation of confirmation bias:
Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values.[1] People display this bias when they select information that supports their views, ignoring contrary information, or when they interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing attitudes. The effect is strongest for desired outcomes, for emotionally charged issues, and for deeply entrenched beliefs. Confirmation bias cannot be eliminated entirely, but it can be managed, for example, by education and training in critical thinking skills.
As noted above, confirmation bias has the strongest influence over emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. Reading your posts on RF, I think it quite fair to characterize your belief in your creator entity as both an emotional, and deeply held belief. When it comes to this subject, you are considered highly vulnerable to the effects of confirmation bias.
Let’s look at your arguments in a more neutral light:
“(1) If a hypothetical creator can create morality from nothing, he can make it whatever he wants.”
First issue is that we are talking in hypotheticals. From a neutral perspective, we can imagine this hypothetical creator in an infinite number of ways. You have chosen one particular property or characteristic of the infinite available. Why? Because it is this property that meets your objective, that fits the entity that you imagine. So in using this “If a hypothetical …” form for your argument, it fails because you are only going to choose imaginary characteristics that fit your desired outcome. You, of course, will not agree, because you are clouded by confirmation bias.
“(2) If he can make whatever he wants, it can be arbitrary.”
And here again, what if the entity cannot make whatever it wants. What if there are limits? What if there is no entity? This whole exercise is absurd because, if there was an entity, you would not have to use hypotheticals. You would simply point to the entity and show its properties or characteristics.
“(3) If it can be arbitrary, it can be deemed moral to forever torture babies for no crime they done in severe torture/pain with no end to it.
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(11) The only being that can see ultimate morality is God
Therefore God exists eternally. (combination 9, 10, 11)”
There is no reason to address any of the other arguments. We human beings have the capacity to imagine that which does not exist. Any argument you make will only be valid if it is based on actual facts. Real things that you can use to support your arguments. And you can’t just include that which you feel supports your argument. Any existing contradictions to your argument must be addressed and satisfactorily reconciled. If they cannot be reconciled, then you must abandon your argument and rethink your premise.
I strongly encourage you to develop a strong understanding of confirmation bias and how we all are potentially susceptible to it. I think it will help you to approach this subject in a more balanced, realistic way.
