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Morality: act or awareness

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Here until I storm off again
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When discussing morals - in any sense - is the act what counts or whether you're caught in the act? The question arises from another thread where the idea came up that checking someone out (i.e. staring at a woman's butt while walking behind her) is only "wrong" if it's for a prolonged amount of time or creeps them out. Then"immorality" is in being caught, not the act itself.

We could apply this elsewhere. Is stealing $100 from someone who has hundreds of thousands wrong in general despite the individual not being aware of the theft, or is it only wrong if the individual notices / catches you?

Is it wrong to take supplies from work or only if you get caught?

A more extreme example could be; is it wrong to kill an individual who is illegal and homeless, who's death will never be discovered and absense will never be noticed?

Bonus Topic!
Does morality apply differently in all these situations? Does act vs awareness weigh differently in different situations?
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
A "moral" person knows the distinctions. Only an "immoral" person doesn't care.

It's kinda like ignorance. The Ill-informed like to believe that unintended consequence leads to an unavoidable circumstance, thus...inevitable outcomes.

"Common-sense" is often dumb.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
This is like asking "if I shatter the glass of someone's window, does the glass remain unbroken?"
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Looking at someone is not wrong. Making someone feel uncomfortable, awkward or unsafe on purpose is wrong. Nothing to do with "being caught". Everything to do with not giving a tinker's damn how your behaviour makes other people feel.

For behaviour that is immoral in and of itself, like vandalism and stealing, whether or not you get caught is irrelevant. It's just wrong.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
When discussing morals - in any sense - is the act what counts or whether you're caught in the act? The question arises from another thread where the idea came up that checking someone out (i.e. staring at a woman's butt while walking behind her) is only "wrong" if it's for a prolonged amount of time or creeps them out. Then"immorality" is in being caught, not the act itself.

We could apply this elsewhere. Is stealing $100 from someone who has hundreds of thousands wrong in general despite the individual not being aware of the theft, or is it only wrong if the individual notices / catches you?

Is it wrong to take supplies from work or only if you get caught?

A more extreme example could be; is it wrong to kill an individual who is illegal and homeless, who's death will never be discovered and absense will never be noticed?

Bonus Topic!
Does morality apply differently in all these situations? Does act vs awareness weigh differently in different situations?

Morality is about how you feel about an action. If you like to look at a women's behind then your morality is that it is ok else you wouldn't be doing it. Morals are pretty much arbitrary. To a degree. The reality is environment/culture/religion influence your morals. What you feel is right or wrong to do.

However society can't have everyone going about doing whatever they feel is right to do. So we've laws to limit your morals. You may feel it is morally ok to kill someone for whatever reason. Spouse cheating on you or some such. Society will punish you and enforce some kind of consequence for your actions. Culturally the group will judge your actions immoral and make you feel guilty and possibly ostracize you for some action.

So in the moment, in the circumstances you acted according to your morals. If you really felt the action was wrong, you wouldn't have done it. Later you may regret because of being made to feel guilty or punished. You may even accept your actions were immoral. But in truth they weren't for you in the moment of action.

Immorality is just the judgement others place on your morals. Your sense of right and wrong. However in most cases you have no control over your morals. They were caused by elements out of your control. What you feel is right is what you feel is right. You can for whatever reason, like fear of the consequences, choose not to act in the manner you feel is right.

So your morals are not your fault, you can't control what you feel. However people will judge you for them. Better not to be judge in some cases and keep your morality hidden. However when/if you think you can get away with it you'll act on your true morals.

You can control your actions. You can act against your morals because of per pressure, religious ethics, laws, threats etc. Guilt, a lot of people don't act according to their morals because of the guilt they are made to feel.

Your morals are not logical/rational. We maybe find ways to justify them but the reality is it is just what you feel is the right action to take at that moment.

Circumstance may change what you feel is the right action to take. Your morals may change as you are influenced by external sources. Sometimes you maybe conscious of these influences sometimes you won't.
 
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WhatGod

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When discussing morals - in any sense - is the act what counts or whether you're caught in the act? The question arises from another thread where the idea came up that checking someone out (i.e. staring at a woman's butt while walking behind her) is only "wrong" if it's for a prolonged amount of time or creeps them out. Then"immorality" is in being caught, not the act itself.

I disagree. Morality is morel about benefic and harm than getting caught.

Or if you like, you are always already caught by yourself.
 
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