Morality = The Golden Rule

[Humanistheart]

Buddhism
“Putting oneself in the place of another, one should not kill nor cause another to kill.”

“One who, while himself seeking happiness, oppresses with violence other beings who also desire happiness, will not attain happiness hereafter.”

Baha'i Faith
“Ascribe not to any soul that which thou wouldst not have ascribed to thee, and say not that which thou doest not.”

“Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself.”

“And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself.”

Christianity
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

"And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise."

Confucius
"Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself."

Hinduism
“One should never do that to another which one regards as injurious to one’s own self. This, in brief, is the rule of dharma. Other behavior is due to selfish desires.”

Islam
“Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you.”

Jainism
“Nothing which breathes, which exists, which lives, or which has essence or potential of life, should be destroyed or ruled over, or subjugated, or harmed, or denied of its essence or potential.

In support of this Truth, I ask you a question - "Is sorrow or pain desirable to you ?" If you say "yes it is", it would be a lie. If you say, "No, It is not" you will be expressing the truth. Just as sorrow or pain is not desirable to you, so it is to all which breathe, exist, live or have any essence of life. To you and all, it is undesirable, and painful, and repugnant."

Judaism
“You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your kinsfolk. Love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.”

Sikhism
“Whom should I despise, since the one Lord made us all.”

Taoism
“The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful.”

“Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss.”

These are not all the same.

 

[Mr Cheese]

It's half of His fundamental message. The other half was to love God and be obedient to His will.

I would argue this IS the golden rule
all part and parcel.

You are trying to say by obeying God, hiw will and to love God
we need to commit acts that are contrary to the golden rule.
I would agree, to some this justifies bigotry, murder, war, genocide, rape and many other abhorrent things..... but as these are all contrary to the golden rule...

I totally disagree that God is a God that advocates

"bigotry, murder, war, genocide, rape and many other abhorrent things"

But I understand many "followers" of God have no problem wth being hate filled.

To me they are deluded

 

[Mr Cheese]

These are not all the same.

How are they not?

thank you

 

[Mr Cheese]

How is that against the Golden Rule? The Golden Rule isn't a cemented principle. It's based on the individuals reasoning of a situation.

taking advantage....

this very concept is against the golden rule as it implies benefit for one, at the expense of another

:areyoucra

 

[Humanistheart]

How are they not?

thank you

Christianity
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

Let's look at this one. It suggests that all people should be treated the same. If I treat you the way I wish to be treated it means that I'm not treating you the way you wish to be treated. Hardly good ethics is it?

 

[Mr Cheese]

My problem with the "golden rule" is some people like having chairs, thumb tacks, barbed wire, or other things smashed into their skull, or slammed onto. When I use to wrestle, my perspective of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" changed drastically. I'd do thumb tacks, they can sting like hell, and definitely do hurt for a moment, but when someone is willing to be hit in the head with a 2x4 wrapped in real barbed wire, that is ok, but just don't hit me with it, because I was very fond of setting tables on fire before powerbombing my opponent through it. Or a chokeslam, much safer and easier to perform, and more people are willing to take them.

well thats for pleasure

peopel that like such things are asking for such things....

that is still following the golden rule
as you are doing somethign that the other person wants and enjoys
there is no interaction occuring where one person is doing something at the expense of the other.... the person wanting to be "hit" is WANTING to be hit

It only fails to be the golden rule if you experience it, and do not wish to

 

[Mr Cheese]

Christianity
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

Let's look at this one. It suggests that all people should be treated the same. If I treat you the way I wish to be treated it means that I'm not treating you the way you wish to be treated. Hardly good ethics is it?

sigh...

you have to read between the lines..and learn to think a bit..and not be such a "luddite" so to speak....

it is a command of harmony....

I assume you are suggestign it advocates wonderful things like go forth and rape your fellow man, if you have been raped....

 

[Humanistheart]

sigh...

you have to read between the lines..and learn to think a bit..and not be such a "luddite" so to speak....

it is a command of harmony....

I assume you are suggestign it advocates wonderful things like go forth and rape your fellow man, if you have been raped....

No, more like if you enjoy being raped.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Christianity
Let's look at this one. It suggests that all people should be treated the same. If I treat you the way I wish to be treated it means that I'm not treating you the way you wish to be treated. Hardly good ethics is it?

All it means is that everyone is equal. What is so unethical about that?

 

[Mr Cheese]

No, more like if you enjoy being raped.

If you enjoy being raped....

you have mental issues...:sarcastic

it would also be against the golden rule as the other person would not enjouy beign raped:sarcastic

no cigar for you

 

[Humanistheart]

If you enjoy being raped

you have mental issues...:sarcastic....

Hey it's your example .

it would also be against the golden rule as the other person would not enjoy beign raped:sarcastic

no cigar for you

No, it would be perfectly in keeping with the golden rule. If someone raped another because they enjoy being raped (horrible example by the way) then it is following the golden rule, becaue the person is treating others the way s/he wants to be treated. :cigar:

(By the way I like your new picture, cheese nips are great! lol)

 

[Just_me_Mike]

No, it would be perfectly in keeping with the golden rule. If someone raped another because they enjoy being raped (horrible example by the way) then it following the golden rule, becaue the person is treating others the way s/he wants to be treated. :cigar

No man that isn't how it works. If someone enjoyed being raped, they would not be normally functioning humans. So the Golden Rule wouldn't apply to that person.

You do agree, that those kind of people are not normal right? We are discussing normal people. At least I think.

 

[Humanistheart]

No man that isn't how it works. If someone enjoyed being raped, they would not be normally functioning humans. So the Golden Rule wouldn't apply to that person. .

I see, so if someone does not follow the maintream of their culture they're mentally unbalanced, and so, to you, they're not human. Or at least somehow the golden rule does't apply to them, in which case one could argue you can treat them however you want because they golden rule no longer applies. Great message.

You do agree, that those kind of people are not normal right? .

I do, however normal is determined by statistical average. Normal is not synonomous with good, or right, it's just average. And why would an abnormal person not count? I take it then that you don't think you need to treat people with mental handicaps and disorders by the golden standard either?

At any rate your avoiding the point. The golden rule is not a very good one. The platinum rule, treat people the way they wish to be treated, rather than treating a person they way you want to be treated, is a vast improvment.

 

[McBell]

The Golden rule is just fine....Until you meet a rapist, or masochist....

 

[Adso]

I would argue this IS the golden rule
all part and parcel.

I'm using the standard definition of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" (itwillend's usage). If you're defining it as it's written Matthew 22:37, please let me know as that would solve most of our differences on the subject.

You are trying to say by obeying God, hiw will and to love God
we need to commit acts that are contrary to the golden rule.

I never said any such thing.

 

[McBell]

You do agree, that those kind of people are not normal right? We are discussing normal people. At least I think.

Interesting that you have to rely on the word "normal" to get your Golden Rule to work.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I see, so if someone does not follow the maintream of their culture they're mentally unbalanced, and so, to you, they're not human. Or at least somehow the golden rule does't apply to them, in which case one could argue you can treat them however you want because they golden rule no longer applies. Great message.



I do, however normal is determined by statistical average. Normal is not synonomous with good, or right, it's just average. And why would an abnormal person not count? I take it then that you don't think you need to treat people with mental handicaps and disorders by the golden standard either?

You're simply mistaken. It isn't about how I would treat people, because I understand the Golden Rule, often those like sociopaths don't. I will always treat everyone with the Golden Rule, at least I try to. Those unable to grasp that concept are considered not normal.

At any rate your avoiding the point. The golden rule is not a very good one. The platinum rule, treat people the way they wish to be treated, rather than treating a person they way you want to be treated, is a vast improvment.

Actually the Golden rule already implies the Platinum rule if you truly understood it. The Platinum rule was created for those that couldn't understand the Golden Rule. The Golden rule is the greater though IMO. No matter, they are both good rules.

 

[Humanistheart]

The Golden rule is just fine....Until you meet a rapist, or masochist....

Not really. I mean, yes, those are problems too, lol. But there are plenty of other examples without going to extreames. For instance here in the states we like people to look us in the eye when we're speaking to them, but in japan there are numerous instances where that is considered rude. So, it's best to treat other's the way they want to be treated than just forcing our desires on them.

 

[Humanistheart]

You're simply mistaken. It isn't about how I would treat people, because I understand the Golden Rule, often those like sociopaths don't. I will always treat everyone with the Golden Rule, at least I try to. Those unable to grasp that concept are considered not normal..

So you claim, but provide no explanation as to what that 'understanding' entails.

Actually the Golden rule already implies the Platinum rule if you truly understood it. The Platinum rule was created for those that couldn't understand the Golden Rule. The Golden rule is the greater though IMO. No matter, they are both good rules.

An opinion you havne't seen fit to back up with reasoning.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

The Golden rule is just fine....Until you meet a rapist, or masochist....

Not true. It is even fine when you meet a rapist, I would want a rapist to defend him or herself if they were being raped, so too do I find it acceptable to defend myself.

Understand how it works?