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More confirmation that ID creationism is dead

Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
"Intelligent design" creationism has been effectively dead for some time now. Recall that it was created as a means to skirt court rulings against the teaching of Biblical creationism in public schools, which the Dover ruling put a quick end to. And after that ruling, ID creationist leaders pretty much gave up their efforts to get it into schools. So in the context of its original purpose, ID creationism died a very quick death.

Since ID creationism was first and foremost a social/political strategy, any scientific aspects to it were mostly just window dressing in an attempt to give the movement a veneer of scientific credibility. It never did generate its own science or lead to any new discoveries, so in that sense ID creationism didn't really die, it was kinda stillborn.

Well if there was ever any doubt about that status, now we have further confirmation.

Biologic Institute Closes (pandasthumb.org)

Appears the Biologic Institute [An enterprise of the Discovery Institute] is history, green screen and all. On their 2019 990, Director Axe will no longer draw a salary, but will be a prof at Biola “Univ.” Office space is for rent. Location is listed as “permanently closed.” Their final 990 showed a loss of $133,000.​

So all you advocates for ID creationism can stop pretending now. It's over. The professional creationists have moved on....probably a good time for y'all to do the same.
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
Jose Fly said:
"Intelligent design" creationism has been effectively dead for some time now. Recall that it was created as a means to skirt court rulings against the teaching of Biblical creationism in public schools, which the Dover ruling put a quick end to. And after that ruling, ID creationist leaders pretty much gave up their efforts to get it into schools. So in the context of its original purpose, ID creationism died a very quick death.

Since ID creationism was first and foremost a social/political strategy, any scientific aspects to it were mostly just window dressing in an attempt to give the movement a veneer of scientific credibility. It never did generate its own science or lead to any new discoveries, so in that sense ID creationism didn't really die, it was kinda stillborn.

Well if there was ever any doubt about that status, now we have further confirmation.

Biologic Institute Closes (pandasthumb.org)

Appears the Biologic Institute [An enterprise of the Discovery Institute] is history, green screen and all. On their 2019 990, Director Axe will no longer draw a salary, but will be a prof at Biola “Univ.” Office space is for rent. Location is listed as “permanently closed.” Their final 990 showed a loss of $133,000.​

So all you advocates for ID creationism can stop pretending now. It's over. The professional creationists have moved on....probably a good time for y'all to do the same.
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Looking into this a bit, I notice that Philip Johnson, the lawyer(!) that first started ID, died in November 2019: Memorial Symposium for Phillip Johnson

I wonder if his death was the final straw for the ID movement and now that he's gone there is no one to keep the dream alive.
 
Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
exchemist said:
Looking into this a bit, I notice that Philip Johnson, the lawyer(!) that first started ID, died in November 2019: Memorial Symposium for Phillip Johnson

I wonder if his death was the final straw for the ID movement and now that he's gone there is no one to keep the dream alive.
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His passing certainly was significant, but honestly the movement was effectively dead long before 2019. As noted in the OP, after the Dover ruling the ID creationists abandoned their efforts to try and get ID creationism taught in public schools. Since that was the entire point of the movement, I'd point to that as the "moment of death for intelligent design".

At this point, I think flat-earthism has more people "working" on it than ID. ;)
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Yes, ID is dead. About 2 AD (After Dover) a new strategy was hatched. Teach The Controversy:

Teach the controversy: Education bills contain a revealing confusion

A Google search indicates that movement is pretty dead too, but it did spawn a nice line of T-shirts:

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Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Valjean said:
I don't know -- there are some ID advocates on this very forum.
Contrary evidence isn't going to undo a strongly held conviction in 'faithful' type.
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Well yeah...no one said there'd be no ID creationist advocates left. Just like flat-earthism, alien reptiles, and other whacko beliefs, there will always be people who believe in ID creationism. But just as with those other beliefs, it will be of zero consequence.
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
If people would stick to ID as theology not science, then it's well placed (the "God is who; evolution is how") stance.
 
Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
sun rise said:
If people would stick to ID as theology not science, then it's well placed (the "God is who; evolution is how") stance.
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Except that was never the purpose of ID. It was entirely intended to be a means to get creationist talking points into public school science classes. So if you kept the concept, you'd probably have to call it something else to avoid entanglement with ID and all its baggage.
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
tas8831

tas8831

Well-Known Member
Jose Fly said:
"Intelligent design" creationism has been effectively dead for some time now. Recall that it was created as a means to skirt court rulings against the teaching of Biblical creationism in public schools, which the Dover ruling put a quick end to. And after that ruling, ID creationist leaders pretty much gave up their efforts to get it into schools. So in the context of its original purpose, ID creationism died a very quick death.

Since ID creationism was first and foremost a social/political strategy, any scientific aspects to it were mostly just window dressing in an attempt to give the movement a veneer of scientific credibility. It never did generate its own science or lead to any new discoveries, so in that sense ID creationism didn't really die, it was kinda stillborn.

Well if there was ever any doubt about that status, now we have further confirmation.

Biologic Institute Closes (pandasthumb.org)

Appears the Biologic Institute [An enterprise of the Discovery Institute] is history, green screen and all. On their 2019 990, Director Axe will no longer draw a salary, but will be a prof at Biola “Univ.” Office space is for rent. Location is listed as “permanently closed.” Their final 990 showed a loss of $133,000.​

So all you advocates for ID creationism can stop pretending now. It's over. The professional creationists have moved on....probably a good time for y'all to do the same.
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But... Axe is the greatest scientician in history! And what about Ann 'there is not a single paper using nuclear DNA to study human phylogeny' Gauger?

And my favorite lawyer turned PR spokeschump for YECis- er, um, ID, Casey whatever-his-name-is???
 
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tas8831

tas8831

Well-Known Member
exchemist said:
Looking into this a bit, I notice that Philip Johnson, the lawyer(!) that first started ID, died in November 2019: Memorial Symposium for Phillip Johnson

I wonder if his death was the final straw for the ID movement and now that he's gone there is no one to keep the dream alive.
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Poor Phil...

Many in the YEC/IDC movement all but worshipped the guy. I read an interview with him many years ago with a forward by, I think it was Ray Bohlin? It was almost hard to read - he described Johnson as 'handsome' and 'intelligent' and that he married a 'supermodel wife', and he went on and on.... Really creepy.

Also, PJ claimed in his first book that he was no scientist (correct), but that because he was a lawyer he was able to dismantle evolution's arguments.
But he really couldn't - he took his layman's understanding of the science and then found those 'arguments' (that he couldn't understand) lacking. Golly, imagine that...

Anyway, glad the DI is defunct.
 
Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
tas8831 said:
But... Axe is the greatest scientician in history! And what about Ann 'there is not a single paper using nuclear DNA to study human phylogeny' Gauger?

And my favorite lawyer turned PR spokeschump for YECis- er, um, ID???
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Similar to the "end times", their return is soon, imminent, just around the corner, etc. :p
 
tas8831

tas8831

Well-Known Member
Jose Fly said:
His passing certainly was significant, but honestly the movement was effectively dead long before 2019. As noted in the OP, after the Dover ruling the ID creationists abandoned their efforts to try and get ID creationism taught in public schools. Since that was the entire point of the movement, I'd point to that as the "moment of death for intelligent design".

At this point, I think flat-earthism has more people "working" on it than ID. ;)
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Aye...
I think I mentioned before - Meyer is reduced to posting religious diatribes on FaceBook...
 
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