More lack of support and empathy for Vets

[lewisnotmiller]

The GOP strongly considered pulling support for a bipartisan bill which passed in the Senate unanimously.

Why? Because it mentions allowing female vets access to 'information tailored to their specific health care needs'

Codeword for secret abortion clinics? Yeah, no. The words were completely unchanged from the original bipartisan bill. The words were completely unchanged from the bill that passed the Senate unanimously.

The Veteran Affairs policy includes...amongst all the other health issues that impact women...that access to abortion would be provided where there is rape, incest, or a serious/potentially fatal health issue for the mother.

They didn't rubber stamp it, but instead played politics. Before then walking it back and rubber stamped it.

So I agree with the representative for Michigan. 'Shame on them.'

Elissa Slotkin Blasts GOP Anti-Abortion Colleagues: 'Shame On You!'

 

[F1fan]

Sometimes I think the Republicans should just get the power they want and let them do everything they want to America. Then after some time let citizens decide if that works for them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sometimes I think the Republicans should just get the power they want and let them do everything they want to America. Then after some time let citizens decide if that works for them.

I don't want that again. I left Indiana because it was not working for me.

 

[PureX]

Sometimes I think the Republicans should just get the power they want and let them do everything they want to America. Then after some time let citizens decide if that works for them.

If that happens, there will be no going back when we finally realize we don't like plutocratic fascism. One more go-round with republicans in power and our votes will be just meaningless theater. They will appoint whomever they want with no legal recourse for citizens. The rogue Supreme Court is already hinting at "revisiting" a long and many-times rejected decision that would allow exactly that.

 

[Kenny]

The GOP strongly considered pulling support for a bipartisan bill which passed in the Senate unanimously.

Why? Because it mentions allowing female vets access to 'information tailored to their specific health care needs'

Codeword for secret abortion clinics? Yeah, no. The words were completely unchanged from the original bipartisan bill. The words were completely unchanged from the bill that passed the Senate unanimously.

The Veteran Affairs policy includes...amongst all the other health issues that impact women...that access to abortion would be provided where there is rape, incest, or a serious/potentially fatal health issue for the mother.

They didn't rubber stamp it, but instead played politics. Before then walking it back and rubber stamped it.

So I agree with the representative for Michigan. 'Shame on them.'

Elissa Slotkin Blasts GOP Anti-Abortion Colleagues: 'Shame On You!'

I wonder how much politicking has been promoted and exaggerated because of the election year when I read, "Passed unanimously".

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Sometimes I think the Republicans should just get the power they want and let them do everything they want to America. Then after some time let citizens decide if that works for them.

I'd love to see those who vote Republican get a taste of what life would be life under Republican rule once the Republicans have control of the government and the elections, but a lot of undeserving people who knew better would go down with them. Such voters want to "own the libs." This would be a self-own of the highest order.

And I expect this to happen before the end of the decade. You say to let people decide if that works for them. America isn't working for tens of millions of them now, and that's with the Democrats periodically checking Republicans as Clinton, Obama, and now Biden have done. But I see a day soon when there will be no further Democratic or liberal rescues by Americans terrified by the last Republican as happened in 2012 and 2020. Next time that happens, their votes won't rescue them. Elections and their outcomes will be controlled.

If that's correct, what would daily life look like? I suspect that the average American's standard of living will fall, and his rights will be constricted. One can expect workplace safety and environmental protections to fall, food and water to become less safe, the social safety net to be further eroded including Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security diminished, bankers freed to go wild again, etc.. Overt racism and xenophobia will increase.

 

[F1fan]

If that happens, there will be no going back when we finally realize we don't like plutocratic fascism. One more go-round with republicans in power and our votes will be just meaningless theater. They will appoint whomever they want with no legal recourse for citizens. The rogue Supreme Court is already hinting at "revisiting" a long and many-times rejected decision that would allow exactly that.

I suspect many voters are not well informed as it is. If Republicans get power and then have no one to blame, what will voters think when the deficit goes up, medicare is cut, social security benefits are cut, infrastructure isn't maintained, cororations and the wealthy get richer, and the middle class and poor lives in the status quo, and have to cover rising costs, like medical care. Do republicans have any solution to inflation? They blame Biden, but don't expain the cause, and then imply republicans have a solution. The inability for many Americans to cope with inflation illustrates that our economic system, where the rich get richer and the middle class makes ends meet, is a systemic failure. Biden's policies have helped more kids get out of poverty than ever before, is this acknowledged as good by the right? No, it's ignored. The right doesn't care about the poor.

 

[PureX]

I suspect many voters are not well informed as it is. If Republicans get power and then have no one to blame, what will voters think when the deficit goes up, medicare is cut, social security benefits are cut, infrastructure isn't maintained, cororations and the wealthy get richer, and the middle class and poor lives in the status quo, and have to cover rising costs, like medical care. Do republicans have any solution to inflation? They blame Biden, but don't expain the cause, and then imply republicans have a solution. The inability for many Americans to cope with inflation illustrates that our economic system, where the rich get richer and the middle class makes ends meet, is a systemic failure. Biden's policies have helped more kids get out of poverty than ever before, is this acknowledged as good by the right? No, it's ignored. The right doesn't care about the poor.

Right now, the right doesn't care about anything but winning. Even at the cost of democracy, itself. And once they win, and get the power, they will make sure they can never lose again. And sadly, about a third of Americans are ok with that.

 

[F1fan]

I'd love to see those who vote Republican get a taste of what life would be life under Republican rule once the Republicans have control of the government and the elections, but a lot of undeserving people who knew better would go down with them. Such voters want to "own the libs." This would be a self-own of the highest order.

And I expect this to happen before the end of the decade. You say to let people decide if that works for them. America isn't working for tens of millions of them now, and that's with the Democrats periodically checking Republicans as Clinton, Obama, and now Biden have done. But I see a day soon when there will be no further Democratic or liberal rescues by Americans terrified by the last Republican as happened in 2012 and 2020. Next time that happens, their votes won't rescue them. Elections and their outcomes will be controlled.

If that's correct, what would daily life look like? I suspect that the average American's standard of living will fall, and his rights will be constricted. One can expect workplace safety and environmental protections to fall, food and water to become less safe, the social safety net to be further eroded including Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security diminished, bankers freed to go wild again, etc.. Overt racism and xenophobia will increase.

White, middle aged white guys like me will not notice the effects of a republican controlled government directly. I suspect there will be a great deal of social upheaval that will affect us. Imagine a total ban on abortion. Imagine more tax cuts which will certainly benefit the rich. Imagine less investment in education and healthcare, as Greg Abbott did in Texas. There will be fall out. I'm just not sure if enough people will see the effects as trans kids and the poor suffer the most. What will hapven to migrants, will it be more inhumane policies like Trump imposed? Will conservatives ever see coverage of the cruelty if FOX whitewashes the crimes?

I've said before that the only thing that will teach conservatives today that their ideas and attitudes are bad is a collapse of the USA under their control.

 

[F1fan]

Right now, the right doesn't care about anything but winning. Even at the cost of democracy, itself. And once they win, and get the power, they will make sure they can never lose again. And sadly, about a third of Americans are ok with that.

The whole case of Herschal Walker illustrates your point. Talk about hypocrisy. They guy is unfit without the scandal, but now he's unfit for the Senate AND a moral fraud, yet they support him that much more. And his opponent is a very honorable man, and a preacher who walks the walk. Yet they call Warnock all sorts of derogatory names. This is just the midterms, I can't imagine how bad it will be in 2024.

 

[PureX]

White, middle aged white guys like me will not notice the effects of a republican controlled government directly. I suspect there will be a great deal of social upheaval that will affect us. Imagine a total ban on abortion. Imagine more tax cuts which will certainly benefit the rich. Imagine less investment in education and healthcare, as Greg Abbott did in Texas. There will be fall out. I'm just not sure if enough people will see the effects as trans kids and the poor suffer the most. What will hapven to migrants, will it be more inhumane policies like Trump imposed? Will conservatives ever see coverage of the cruelty if FOX whitewashes the crimes?

I've said before that the only thing that will teach conservatives today that their ideas and attitudes are bad is a collapse of the USA under their control.

Many of them want a collapse. They live in a fantasy world where they think their guns and their "country boy know-how" will put them back in charge of their world, again. They have no idea of what such a collapse would really mean. And they have no idea that they are supporting the very forces and people that have been ruining their world in the first place.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I wonder how much politicking has been promoted and exaggerated because of the election year when I read, "Passed unanimously".

Not sure what you mean, exactly. This bill should pass unanimously. It was written and sponsored collaboratively, and is low cost.
Basically, it was to check in on retired vets three times in the year after they leave the services, to make them aware of what assistance they were entitled to access.

It wasn't an extension of services or anything. Just an information service.

The politicking was in not rubber stamping it at the last possible moment because 'abortion'. One of the people who spoke against the bill at the last moment was a co-sponsor of the bill!

 

[Kenny]

Not sure what you mean, exactly. This bill should pass unanimously. It was written and sponsored collaboratively, and is low cost.
Basically, it was to check in on retired vets three times in the year after they leave the services, to make them aware of what assistance they were entitled to access.

It wasn't an extension of services or anything. Just an information service.

The politicking was in not rubber stamping it at the last possible moment because 'abortion'. One of the people who spoke against the bill at the last moment was a co-sponsor of the bill!

Sorry for the lack of clarity.

I thought it said "It has passed" already. If it unanimously passed, what is the issue?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Sorry for the lack of clarity.

I thought it said "It has passed" already. If it unanimously passed, what is the issue?

It did pass (ultimately). The process it went through in a broad sense was as follows...

Elissa Slotkin sought bipartisan support and sponsorship for a bill to provide additional information to vets over the first year they were out of service. She's an ex-servicewoman, and looking after vets has been a consistent theme for her.

She gained this support, and the bill was put forward as a bipartisan bill to the Senate.

The Bill passed in the Senate unanimously and was referred back to the House of Reps for rubber stamping (so she thought).

At that time, several GOP members...including one of the bill co-sponsors...spoke out against the Bill, specifically because it provides 'female vets access to information tailored to their specific health care needs'.

There is nothing in there about abortion, or anything specific, and that wasn't the bill intent. A bill put forward by these same sudden protesters.

In response, Rep. Slotkin took them to task quite effectively. That video is linked in the OP.

Following that, Republican leadership contacted her and said the Bill would be allowed to pass. It was a needless dog and pony show, and political game playing that was completely unrequired and unhelpful.

This has further detail, perhaps it's clearer...

House passes Slotkin’s Solid Start Act to help vets transition to civilian life – The Livingston Post.com

 

[Shaul]

The lady doth protest too much. The bill passed with bipartisan support. It would have had more Republican support if Democrats hadn't introduced needless partisan provisions.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Sometimes I think the Republicans should just get the power they want and let them do everything they want to America. Then after some time let citizens decide if that works for them.

I'd rather not live in a theocracy.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

The lady doth protest too much. The bill passed with bipartisan support. It would have had more Republican support if Democrats hadn't introduced needless partisan provisions.

Bulldust.
Please cite the partisan provisions of which you speak.

 

[fantome profane]

Sometimes I think the Republicans should just get the power they want and let them do everything they want to America. Then after some time let citizens decide if that works for them.

If your nation goes fascist you are not just going to get democracy back because you change your (collective) mind.

 

[Shaul]

Bulldust.
Please cite the partisan provisions of which you speak.

Go to C-SPAN. Get the videos of the debate of the Bill. Listen to what the Republicans said.

 

[F1fan]

If your nation goes fascist you are not just going to get democracy back because you change your (collective) mind.

It will come down to violence. The civil war conservatives keep talking about would likley happen, much like 1860 where the conservatives split from the USA because they did not value human rights and had an immoral economic system that required exploitation of enslaved workers. The war today would be waged by conservatives against those who work to maintain democracy and valid elections, and against law enforcement. It won't just be the threats like we see today, they will act if they believe the government won't prosecute.