More than 100 political elites in todays government have slaveholding ancestry.

[Twilight Hue]

I'm sure there are a great many people alive that have slave-holding ancestry. Have you done a thorough checked on your own? You may be surprised what you find.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I might have. I'm of Polish and German decent although I'm not sure exactly what stones I've thrown here since the study is brought about by Reuters and the authorship includes African American people who contributed.

 

[Twilight Hue]

How are prisoners forced to work against their will? And how are prisoners able to go on strike if they are forced to work against their will?

You keep asking and clearly not listening.

The 13 amendment which preserves the institution of slavery to this day.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Not as priceless as the Obama's living in a house built by slaves.

In case of Biden their ancestors owned a 14 year old.

 

[Kfox]

That was a huge risk as inmates don't get fo say no and a strike could easily be judged as disruptive behavior.
Amd because the 13th allows for labor as a punishment. Thats how its forced.

What action is taken to force them to work? Are they beaten if they don't obey?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What action is taken to force them to work? Are they beaten if they don't obey?

The court is who makes it so. As for punishments for refusal it would depend on the individual prison and who's running it and local and state laws and federal laws.

 

[Kfox]

You keep asking and clearly not listening.

The 13 amendment which preserves the institution of slavery to this day.

Then answer my question! What action is taken to force them to work against their will. Are they beaten by their owners? What?

 

[Kfox]

The court is who makes it so. As for punishments for refusal it would depend on the individual prison and who's running it and local and state laws and federal laws.

Give an example of an action that was taken to force someone to work against his will.

 

[Estro Felino]

Of course Donny has a bad habit of hiring people and not paying them, as if they are slaves.

Good point.

It must be a different Germany that committed the Holocaust.

I also remind you that Auschwitz was built by the IG Farben, and that the IG Farben was owned by Warburg and others.
Warburg was in the US.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Because his grandfather is from Germany, where slavery was abolished after the fall of the Western Roman Empire;

Was Germany hiding under Liechtenstein back then?

 

[Estro Felino]

Was Germany hiding under Liechtenstein back then?

Do you know what the Holy Roman Empire was?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Do you know what the Holy Roman Empire was?

It wasn't Germany, and you said Western Roman Empire, which wasn't either Germany or the Western Roman Empire.

 

[Estro Felino]

It wasn't Germany,

Of course it was Germany.

 

[fantome profane]

Do you know what the Holy Roman Empire was?

Was neither Holy nor Roman. And not much of an Empire either.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Then answer my question! What action is taken to force them to work against their will. Are they beaten by their owners? What?

Captive Labor: Exploitation of Incarcerated Workers | ACLU

We examined the injustices of prison labor nationwide — and lay the foundation for a more equitable path forward.

www.aclu.org

Excerpt:


Bureau of Justice Statistics say that they are required to work or face additional punishment such as solitary confinement, denial of opportunities to reduce their sentence, and loss of family visitation. They have no right to choose what type of work they do and are subject to arbitrary, discriminatory, and punitive decisions by the prison administrators who select their work assignments.

 

[Kfox]

Captive Labor: Exploitation of Incarcerated Workers | ACLU

We examined the injustices of prison labor nationwide — and lay the foundation for a more equitable path forward.

www.aclu.org

Excerpt:


Bureau of Justice Statistics say that they are required to work or face additional punishment such as solitary confinement, denial of opportunities to reduce their sentence, and loss of family visitation. They have no right to choose what type of work they do and are subject to arbitrary, discriminatory, and punitive decisions by the prison administrators who select their work assignments.

What the prison system did to them was illegal, they were paid, they were not owned, and they still had citizenship rights; so they were not slaves, they were victims of a crime.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What the prison system did to them was illegal,

It is?

BOP: Work Programs

www.bop.gov

Penal labor in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

they were paid,

They were paid on average significantly less than a dollar an hour (some paid nothing), and were often forced to at the threat of increased punishment.

they were not owned,

They are effectively involuntary labourers belonging to the state.

and they still had citizenship rights; so they were not slaves, they were victims of a crime.

Whether or not they are slaves depends on your definition of a slave. I would argue anyone considered to belong to an individual or organisation that is forced to do work for little or no pay under the threat of punishment or violence is effectively a form of slave. But they are definitely not victims of a crime. Forced labour is legal in US prisons.

 

[We Never Know]

Only if they improve those things. Overcrowding is common, inmates cook to death in Texas, die of a fungal infection in California, and the food is low quality junk and carb heavy.

One sure way they can stop that is quit breaking the laws and going to prison.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What the prison system did to them was illegal, they were paid, they were not owned, and they still had citizenship rights; so they were not slaves, they were victims of a crime.

It should be illegal. But slavery is still alive and kicking in this country.

 

[Twilight Hue]

One sure way they can stop that is quit breaking the laws and going to prison.

It's true prison is meant as punishment and rightly so, but using human slave labor is also prone to massive abuse.

It explains why there are so many laws made continually now that makes it very easy for a person to land in jail and become an owned slave under the system to the point we are the most incarcerated nation in the entire world with companies buying out prison labor at profit essentially owning people through the state.

 

[Revoltingest]

Just read the exception clause in the 13 amendment itself. All the proof you will ever need.

Does an Exception Clause in the 13th Amendment Still Permit Slavery? | HISTORY

The amendment, which officially abolished slavery in the United States in 1865, includes a loophole regarding involuntary servitude.

www.history.com

It's there plain as day.

That's as specious an example of "slavery" as
those liberals who say it's slavery to have to
work for money. They call it "wage slavery".

But you missed the one real modern vestige
of slavery in violation of the 13th Amendment,
albeit one that's currently in abeyance (since
Nixon cancelled the draft in 1973).
Military conscription....
It is involuntary servitude, but not punishment
for a crime. It's a clear violation of the 13th, yet
government still requires cis (not trans) men to
register for the draft, with punishment for those
who don't. And is retains the power to implement
the draft if it wants.
It also runs afoul of the Equal Protection Clause
because it's highly discriminatory, exempting
clergy, women, & trans men.

I'd describe my personal draft resistance, but RF
rules prohibit it.