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Mormon Church To US Supreme Court: Ban Gay Marriage

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Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
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Having parents isn’t a burden that children can’t handle.

I think you probably mean having gay parents. To say that children can handle it is a bit of a general statement to make. Some may well be able to take it but why should they have to. There is no reason for same sex couples to raise children and take a risk on the well being of the child. It is a selfish act of "they have children, so why can't we" without any consideration of the potential damage that maybe inflicted on the child. We have turned into a very selfish society where we want to do what ever we want to do regardless of who it might hurt.

I don’t know why you assume gay parents are having wild sex with random strangers all the time and talking to their children about it.

Well, because that is the truth of it. It is a known fact that gays are not manogamous. Nearly a 100% of married gay couples will stray. These are the people who want to be allowed to get married making a complete mokery of the institution of marriage.

And this, an exert from a child raised by gays,

“I wasn’t surrounded by average heterosexual couples,” she says in her court brief. “Dad’s partners slept and ate in our home, and they took me along to meeting places in the LGBT communities. I was exposed to overt sexual activities like sodomy, nudity, pornography, group sex, sadomasochism and the ilk.”

“There was no guarantee that any of my Dad’s partners would be around for long, and yet I often had to obey them,” she said. “My rights and innocence were violated.”

Homosexual Journalist Admits, ‘Gay Lifestyle is a Sewer’
The pro-sodomite media would have us believe that all homosexuals are in a wonderful, long-term, committed relationship with only one other person. They are portrayed as just another kind of “family” perfectly capable of raising children and making a valuable contribution to society.

But British broadcast journalist Simon Fanschawe disagrees. Himself a homosexual, he produced a documentary for the BBC called The Trouble With Gay Men. After reviewing some graphic stories of group sexual encounters in a bath house, he asks, “Are we just swimming around in a sewer which we are sort of saying is normal?” His conclusion: “…the gay lifestyle is incompatible with happiness and fidelity in human relations.”

This is because that “promiscuity has become the norm….” If promiscuity is the norm, why do we only hear of the “committed relationships” that “deserve” to be recognized with formal and legal “marriage?” It is because the sodomite lobby gained control of Hollywood and the news media and we are denied the truth. Studies have shown that even the small number of homosexuals who claim to be in a “committed relationship” have their own definition of monogamy.

Homosexual researchers Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen found that “the cheating ratio of ‘married’ gay males, given enough time, approaches 100%...Many gay lovers, bowing to the inevitable, agree to an ‘open relationship,’ for which there are as many sets of ground rules as there are couples.”

In fact, another study concluded that 43 percent of male homosexuals have more than 500 partners in their lifetime. A smaller percentage had over 1000. Thus, the wonderful same-sex “family” image we are fed is largely a myth.

http://www.chick.com/bc/2008/lifestyle.asp

Same reasons anyone else would want to raise children. My cousin has always wanted a child to care for - being a lesbian doesn't change anything about that.

Being married and raising children has taught me that you cannot always have what you want in life because of our responsibilities to others. It does not seem to be a consideration as to whether the child will suffer in the process as long as they get what they want.

And with adoption, they can give a home to a child who otherwise wouldn’t have one.

In the UK that is not a problem. There are far more people wanting to adopt then there are children to be adopted. The fact that there are children that need to be adopted is a reflection of the moral degradation of our society.

Why wouldn’t you think that the same emotions that were involved in your decisions surrounding having and raising kids would so much different between two parents of the same sex?

Because two men or two women cannot procreate, therefore, they cannot perpetuate their seed, unless they get outside help which will only perpetuate one of their seeds.

Why wouldn’t they? All human beings share the same hormones that facilitate bonding behavior, trust and psychological stability.

Because there is no biological link between them. My children are the product of both me and my wife. We created them together and that creates a bond like no other bond. I love my nieces and nephews but not in the same way as I do my child. In fact, I do not love anyone in the same way as I love my children. It is a special bond between two people who are biologically linked. I do not believe that the same things exist between children who are adopted and their parents. I believe it is a spiritual link.

Some of the studies I presented to you regarding gay parenting talked about how children are better in a family setting (regardless of the sex of the parents), than they are in an orphanage or foster care type of setting.

Yes, I would agree with that, but that is just the best of two bad situations. Ideally, orphanages should be empty. In the UK the are a temporary stop gap whilst suitable parents are found.

Not to mention the fact that many gay females give birth to their own biological children, and so your fears are not warranted there.

Fine, if you are not a Christian because for that to happen one of them must commit adultery, plus, only one will be the actual biological parent.


Adoption is probably not an easy option for gay people to make, given the social stigma and intense scrutiny (evident in your posts) that still surrounds them to some degree.

I am a realist. I tell it how I see it and it does not sit right for me. I certainly would not stigmatize them or even let them know my true feeling for fear of offending them, but I am indoctrinated with the lifestyle of a Christian. I can only see marriage between a man and a woman being necessary, according to Gods design. Anything else does not contribute to the Plan of Salvation.

I don’t think there’s any reason to assume most gay people that want to adopt children are involved in these promiscuous types of lifestyles you are talking about.

How do you know that? What if you are wrong.


Why would only one of the parents have a bond with the child? Are you talking now talking about lesbians relationships where one of the women gives birth to her biological child? If that’s where you’re going, you could ask the same question of heterosexual couples: If only the mother gives birth to the child, how can the father develop a bond with that child?

Because only one of them would be the biological paren.

Why does anyone have children? I’m sure the responses vary among heterosexuals as they do among homosexuals. Why would the reasons be so different?

Because only a man and a woman can perpetuate their seed

This kind of thinking though, ignores the fact that some children are going to discover, as they grow up, that they may be gay, or bisexual, or transgendered, or any other host of things, and may already be experiencing such feelings and wondering why they’re different from everyone else which leads to all the terrible things you mention occurring more frequently among gay people like depression, isolation, ostracization, etc.

That would only be true if gays are born gay and not made that way. If they really have no choice, but that one is hard to accept. Only when you put so much importance in sex will you create these different sexual groups. We have become a society that thrives on sex, and the more perverse the better. If sex was not so important then I would not be surprised if the deviations in sexual orentation wouldn't exists.far there is still no absolutes that they are born that way, I i believe that it will be proven by science.

Shielding kids from the existence of gay people until they’re grown adults isn’t really doing them any favors. You don’t have to get into details about sexual positions and whatnot when you explain homosexuality, in the same way you don’t have to do so to explain heterosexuality. Sexual orientation doesn’t just boil down to sex positions or some kind of “lifestyle.” It boils down to who a person finds him/herself attracted to in life and who they are going to contentedly spend their life with and raise kids of they desire (or not), as you have been so lucky to be able to do without anyone questioning your “lifestyle.”

That is not what I sheild them from, I protect them from evil and sexual perversion is a sin, it is evil. I don't want their minds exposed to it created images that could harm them so I choose not to tell them until they are mature enouh to uderstand it.

That’s great and I’m sure many other parents care about moral values and accountability just as much as you do. I would think love, respect, dignity and compassion toward our fellow human beings would be a part of that.

I have just read that a survey conducted in the US found that a third of those asked if they believe in having morals said no they do not consider being moral in anyway a necessity. The do what the want.
 
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JoStories

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Fornication is a sexual perversion, as is adultery, and having sex with animal, like the pet shop boys did in the 90's. extramarital sex fornication, a sexual sin. Masterbation is a sexual sin. Even if you look upon a woman with lust in your eyes, so have you committed adultery. These are basic Christian values.

Morgan Freeman has a new series of documentaries out called "The Story of God" in which this professor appeared and explained the study that they were doing and the results, that he said was almost certain.

First hint of 'life after death' in biggest ever scientific study

Death is a depressingly inevitable consequence of life, but now scientists believe they may have found some light at the end of the tunnel.

The largest ever medical study into near-death and out-of-body experiences has discovered that some awareness may continue even after the brain has shut down completely.

It is a controversial subject which has, until recently, been treated with widespread scepticism.

But scientists at the University of Southampton have spent four years examining more than 2,000 people who suffered cardiac arrests at 15 hospitals in the UK, US and Austria.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...after-death-in-biggest-ever-scientific-study/


it not possible that those people had visual experiences? For example, several researchers propose that it is neuronal firing that is the cause of these NDE. Isn't that explanation just as viable?
Bókkon, I., Mallick, B. N., & Tuszynski, J. A. (2013). Near death experiences: a multidisciplinary hypothesis.
 

JoStories

Well-Known Member
The professor who spoke about it claimed that the body can take more than week to complete shut down. Blood does not stop all of its activity for days. He has said that it is this that continues after death. The most interesting thought is that energy can neither be created or destroyed. What if who we are, that is our self awareness, is in fact that energy. It could mean that we will be hanging around for weeks waiting for all the energy to dissipate.

While this is an intriguing theory, its not possible. The blood is not what would keep the brain alive and energized, it is the neurons. Blood would deliver nutrients and such but that would not, ultimately, continue life. In the absence of CO2 and O2 from the exchange in the heart, the necessary chemicals would be lacking some of the needed ingredients for the neurons to fire. I do, however, like the idea of energy and it being the source of our being. I just don't think it stays that long.
 

Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
it not possible that those people had visual experiences? For example, several researchers propose that it is neuronal firing that is the cause of these NDE. Isn't that explanation just as viable?
Bókkon, I., Mallick, B. N., & Tuszynski, J. A. (2013). Near death experiences: a multidisciplinary hypothesis.

Sounds good to me. I don't know that much about it. He did say that they have evidence to prove that life continues after the 3 minutes.
 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
Seriously? Are you saying you weren't heterosexual until the first time you had sex? If I'd actually had a word to describe my sexual orientation back when I was 6 years old, I'd have called myself heterosexual. And I would have definitely identified as heterosexual throughout my teens and all the time I was dating my husband. As it was, I just liked boys. :p

Of course it wasn't. It wasn't hard for you because it came naturally. You speak of it as a choice, though. Would you mind explaining the thought process you went through which led up to this "choice?" I can't recall ever "choosing" to be attracted to little boys instead of little girls (I did have a major crush on the little boy down the street when I was 5 and he was 6, but it was just how I felt). At any rate, since it was apparently different for you, would you mind explaining the the process of choosing took place.
You need to chill and actually read what I posted.

Did I claim that same-sex attraction was a "choice"?

No, I did not.

Did I claim that opposite-sex attraction was a "choice"?

No, I did not.

You are equating same-sex attraction with homosexuality, which I do not believe to be the case at all.

Can a person having same-sex attraction lead them to commit homosexual acts?

Yes, it can.

Does having same-sex attraction force someone to commit homosexual acts?

No, it does not. Just as having an attraction for the opposite sex does not force anyone to commit heterosexual acts.

Claiming that having same-sex attraction will inevitably lead a person to commit homosexual acts is the same as saying that having a sexual attraction to children will inevitably lead a person to commit acts of pedophilia.

I will never believe that because it is contrary to reason and the Word of God.

The Lord has given all of us weaknesses and He did this so that we will (hopefully) be humble (Ether 12:27).

The Lord has chosen to give certain of His children the weakness of same-sex attraction. He has done this for His own purposes, but I know that He did so for their good. I know that He gives unto all of us our specific weaknesses because He wants us all to learn and experience specific things in this life.

However, He did not give us these weaknesses so that we would fail and succumb to them. He wants us to turn to Him with a desire to overcome our weaknesses. He wants us to struggle against our weaknesses so that we may obtain strength. Even though our weaknesses were given to us to cause us to struggle, the Lord has promised that He has not given anyone any temptation that cannot be overcome (1 Corinthians 10:13).

How do we overcome our weaknesses and resist temptation?

By relying on the saving grace and redeeming merits of the Lord Jesus Christ.

By keeping His commandments.
 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
Again - you are calling me names, - and that pretty much sums you up.

And again you try to twist what was said.

The LDS pages quote the Bible as their source.

AND - I asked YOU for an LDS source saying otherwise, - as you keep twisting what is being said.

You have not provided it.

And they said - ""We love and revere the Bible. The Bible is the word of God. It is always identified first in our canon, our “standard works.”



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Yes, the Bible is identified as first in our canon.

However, how can you interpret the LDS claim that the Bible is the first book in our canon as the LDS claiming that the Bible is the only book in our canon?

Your acknowledging that the Bible is the first in our canon should help you understand that there is also a second or more books which are considered canon in the LDS Church.

You admitting that the Bible is the first book identified in our canon is also you admitting that there are MORE BOOKS INCLUDED IN OUR CANON!

This means that the Bible is not the ONLY SOURCE OF REVELATION FOR THE LDS CHURCH.

That is what I have been saying from the beginning and I thank you for finally admitting that you were wrong.

You cannot lump the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in with all other "Christian" churches.

We are infinitely unique and you should actually know a little about our beliefs before deciding to ignorantly comment on them.
 
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Prestor John

Well-Known Member
The problem is that you placed the false parameter outside of the interpretation of LDS but within the views of other. So you are still calling every other interpretation/views wrong just as you blast Sojourner for doing. He put forward your interpretation is wrong, you respond in the same manner but call him out for projection while you have done the same.
All of my comments were based on the LDS interpretation of scripture.

I made that abundantly clear.
 
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Prestor John

Well-Known Member
And that is most definitely putting words in his mouth. Homosexuality is still stigmatized, especially in Conservative areas, especially in regards towards homosexual men, where sexual acts that are ok for a woman to do (such as performing fallatio) became an insult for a man to do. It wasn't the same-sex attractions he was struggling with, but the judgements of society he was struggling with. He didn't have sex with a woman for himself, he did it for others. It was that experience that made him realize he can't live his life for others in such a way.
That is all very irrelevant.

The reasons for why this man decided to perform heterosexual acts with a woman are irrelevant to the fact that he made a conscious choice to perform those acts.

He performed them and they did not satisfy him.

This does not at all mean that he was born homosexual.
Not only was he not able to not finish, he felt like vomiting (probably hyperbole, but he definitely did not enjoy the experience).
I can understand that perfectly.

I would probably also become sick if I was trying to have sexual relations with a woman other than my wife.

That doesn't make me a homosexual.

I would also say that he didn't really have sex with that woman if he was unable to perform.
That is not a logic position, as people do not have to have sex to know they have attractions towards men, women, prepubescent children, cross dressers, or whatever. You could poll the students at any random high school, and though many would still be virgins, you would find that nearly all of them are able to identify their sexual orientation.
That is irrelevant.

Someone having an attraction does not equate to someone acting on that attraction.

If you are saying that a person with same-sex attraction is a homosexual even if they have never committed any homosexual acts, then you would also have to say that a person who has a sexual attraction to children is a pedophile even though that person has never performed any sexual acts with a child.

Is that what you are saying?
 
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Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
While this is an intriguing theory, its not possible. The blood is not what would keep the brain alive and energized, it is the neurons. Blood would deliver nutrients and such but that would not, ultimately, continue life. In the absence of CO2 and O2 from the exchange in the heart, the necessary chemicals would be lacking some of the needed ingredients for the neurons to fire. I do, however, like the idea of energy and it being the source of our being. I just don't think it stays that long.

No I said "The professor who spoke about it claimed that the body can take more than week to complete shut down. Blood does not stop all of its activity for days." I was referring to the first sentence. I should look into it more because the intriguing part is that when the body no longer functions the conscience is still their because the body is still functioning as it decomposes , or something like that. It is a bit like body and spirit intertwined and the spirit caant be completely release until the body returns to energy. That is a speculation.
 

Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
While this is an intriguing theory, its not possible. The blood is not what would keep the brain alive and energized, it is the neurons. Blood would deliver nutrients and such but that would not, ultimately, continue life. In the absence of CO2 and O2 from the exchange in the heart, the necessary chemicals would be lacking some of the needed ingredients for the neurons to fire. I do, however, like the idea of energy and it being the source of our being. I just don't think it stays that long.

No, I said "The professor who spoke about it claimed that the body can take more than week to complete shut down. Blood does not stop all of its activity for days." I was referring to the first sentence. I should look into it more because the intriguing part is that when the body no longer functions the conscience is still their because the body is still functioning as it decomposes, or something like that. It is a bit like body and spirit intertwined and the spirit cannot be completely release until the body returns to energy. That is my speculation.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
In fact, another study concluded that 43 percent of male homosexuals have more than 500 partners in their lifetime. A smaller percentage had over 1000. Thus, the wonderful same-sex “family” image we are fed is largely a myth.
That doesn't link to any studies. Lemmy Kilmister boasted that he had sex with thousands of woman, and there may be truth to it, but it still makes him an extreme outlier, as would a male homosexual having sex with 500 different partners.
That is all very irrelevant.

The reasons for why this man decided to perform heterosexual acts with a woman are irrelevant to the fact that he made a conscious choice to perform those acts.

He performed them and they did not satisfy him.

This does not at all mean that he was born homosexual.
You're missing the point that he did it because of societal pressures. He didn't do it because he actually had attractions towards women, but because homosexual men are so widely and frequently considered lesser-men, inferior, weak, and a ton of other negative stereotypes.

If you are saying that a person with same-sex attraction is a homosexual even if they have never committed any homosexual acts, then you would also have to say that a person who has a sexual attraction to children is a pedophile even though that person has never performed any sexual acts with a child.

Is that what you are saying?
Yes, because you don't have to have sex to know what you're attracted to.
 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
No I said "The professor who spoke about it claimed that the body can take more than week to complete shut down. Blood does not stop all of its activity for days." I was referring to the first sentence. I should look into it more because the intriguing part is that when the body no longer functions the conscience is still their because the body is still functioning as it decomposes , or something like that. It is a bit like body and spirit intertwined and the spirit caant be completely release until the body returns to energy. That is a speculation.
It is my personal belief that the spirit of the departed remains near their deceased physical body until they come to know where it will be interred.

We need to know where our remains rest for the time of our eventual resurrection, when our spirits return to our physical bodies.
 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
You're missing the point that he did it because of societal pressures. He didn't do it because he actually had attractions towards women, but because homosexual men are so widely and frequently considered lesser-men, inferior, weak, and a ton of other negative stereotypes.
Rest assured, I understand the motivations behind his reasons. You have explained that clearly.

However, you are missing my initial point. My point was that we choose when to commit heterosexual or homosexual acts.

This man has a same-sex attraction yet he still chose (in spite on that attraction) to engage in sexual relations with a woman.

The reasons for why he made his choice (although tragic and the topic of another discussion) are irrelevant to my point.

I chose to have sex with a woman. I also chose to not have sex at all until my wedding night. (Actually it was the morning after my wedding. We were both very tired from all the dancing and celebration.)

Whatever my attractions or reasons for deciding to have sex I chose when and where and with whom to engage in sexual congress.

A person being born with (or cultivating in their early childhood) a same-sex attraction does not mean that they have no choice in whether or not to act on that predisposed attraction.

In their early childhood that attraction (either for the same or for the opposing sex) can either be quelled or fueled. It depends on their individual circumstances and the life choices they decide to make.

No one is destined to commit any acts against their will. We all have a choice. We can resist certain urges or succumb to them. The choice is ours.
Yes, because you don't have to have sex to know what you're attracted to.
Yet having an attraction does not mean that you have to inevitably act on that attraction.

I could have a sexual attraction toward animals, but if I never embrace that attraction nor humor it to any degree, you would claim that I am guilty of bestiality?

Just to be clear, in regards to my earlier example, according to you, an adult that suffers from sexual attraction toward children is guilty of pedophilia even if that person has never embraced that attraction, humored it, or acted on it?

What if a person has a same-sex attraction yet, for whatever reason, they decide to only have sex with members of the opposing gender?

In your opinion, that person is a homosexual?
 
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Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
You need to chill and actually read what I posted.
Hey, calm down. I don't think I'm the one who needs to chill here, John. And just as a reminder, I'm not your enemy here. We just have a difference of opinion on this issue and I'm trying to understand yours, but we have a lot in common, so try to keep that in mind.

Did I claim that same-sex attraction was a "choice"?

No, I did not.

Did I claim that opposite-sex attraction was a "choice"?

No, I did not.

You are equating same-sex attraction with homosexuality, which I do not believe to be the case at all.

Can a person having same-sex attraction lead them to commit homosexual acts?

Yes, it can.

Does having same-sex attraction force someone to commit homosexual acts?

No, it does not. Just as having an attraction for the opposite sex does not force anyone to commit heterosexual acts.
It appears to me as if you are using the word "homosexual" differently from the rest of us who are posting, and differently from the way it is defined in pretty much any dictionary you want to use. Multiple different dictionaries all define "homosexual" in the same way. Here are some of those definitions:

1. a person who is sexually attracted to people of their own sex.
2. of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex.
3. sexuallyattracted to members of one's own sex.
4. involving or characterized by sexual attraction between people of the same sex.
5. a person, especially a man, who is sexually attracted to people of the same sex and not to people of the opposite sex.
6. a person who is sexually attracted to someone of his or her own sex.

Note: None of these six definitions, all from different sources, say anything about a homosexual being someone who "has sex" with someone of the same sex. Likewise, the same dictionaries will define heterosexual as someone who "is sexually attracted" to someone of the opposite sex. They won't say anything about a heterosexual being someone who "has sex" with someone of the opposite sex.

As you pointed out, you did not claim same-sex attraction to be a choice, but you claimed homosexuality to be a choice. You can hardly blame me for equating same-sex attraction with homosexuality since that is what every dictionary around says they are. I never implied that I believe the Lord approves of homosexual acts. As far as I can surmise, He probably doesn't. And if I were a lesbian, I'd try to live a celibate life. Whether or not I'd succeed is something I can never know.

I'm really trying not to involve myself a great deal in this discussion, because after a while, all anyone can do is repeat themselves. I think everybody here pretty much knows where I stand on this issue, but for those who don't, my feelings can be summarized as follows:

I do not believe we are to judge one another, but are to live our own lives with integrity, not engaging in behaviors we believe to be wrong. I also stand firmly in favor of the separation of church and state. For this reason, I don't believe any government on earth has the right to try to dictate what its citizens moral choices should be.
 
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viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I didn't even notice it. It just gradually became a part of who I am. What I know, from person experience and through raising six children, is that I was not born straight, and neither did any of my children. I wasn't even interested in girls until I was around 14. Prior to that sex was not a serious part of my life. I ended up with a girl, as opposed to a boy, because that was what my dad did, and his dad, and all of my Aunties and Uncles. It was the norm. There was no other choice. Give people a choice and the will take it for a host of different reasons. I have a cousin who was born a girl but had to have an operation to make her a man because physically she was both man and women, but that was a physical abnormality that she had not control over.

You ended up with a girl because that is what your dad, aunties(?) and uncles did?

You really seem to believe that you have a choice for which gender you are sexually attracted. Is that reallly so? I am sorry, but I can only think of bisexuals or a-sexuals being able to do that. And I am not even sure about them.

But even if that is the case,don't you think it is a bit adventurous to extend your personal experiences to the rest of humanity?

Ciao

- viole
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I chose to have sex with a woman. I also chose to not have sex at all until my wedding night. (Actually it was the morning after my wedding. We were both very tired from all the dancing and celebration.)
Regardless of your choice to wait until marriage, you were still a heterosexual male before intercourse.
The reasons for why he made his choice (although tragic and the topic of another discussion) are irrelevant to my point.
It is very relevant. He didn't choose his attractions, but because of societal pressure he chose to do something against his nature. It's somewhat on par with my making a choice to the "life of the party." Sure, I can choose to do that, but since I have Asperger's Syndrome it is very much so against my nature and it would make me extremely uncomfortable and I'd have to go home, lock the doors, and have a day or two of total isolation while I recover from the harrowing experience. It would impact me in such a way that I probably wouldn't even want the company of a close friend that I am comfortable around. And even though I chose to do it, the act would not make me an extrovert, and I would still very much so be very introverted.
Yet having an attraction does not mean that you have to inevitably act on that attraction.
No, but we are sexual beings whose very body makeup and chemistry makes us crave and want sex. A general rule of thumb to follow, as it covers all but anyone's given preference of sexual morals, is just keep it consensual. Some people would consider me depraved, perverted, and disturbed because I get a huge sexual charge out pain, but as long as I consent to someone shocking me, leaving teeth or nail marks, or even drawing blood, what does it matter to anyone? What does it matter to anyone is someone has sex with someone of the same or opposite sex?
I could have a sexual attraction toward animals, but if I never embrace that attraction nor humor it to any degree, you would claim that I am guilty of bestiality?
It would make you a zoophiliac, as that is the attraction and bestiality is the act.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
It is my personal belief that the spirit of the departed remains near their deceased physical body until they come to know where it will be interred.

Do you think these spirits will have binocular vision while waiting?

We need to know where our remains rest for the time of our eventual resurrection, when our spirits return to our physical bodies.

I would not trust that information. Sometimes bodies are moved around and it would be suboptimal for a spirit to enter the body of a stranger.

By the way, how does it work with people who are cremated?

Ciao

- viole
 
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