Mormon Church To US Supreme Court: Ban Gay Marriage

[SkepticThinker]

Again another malicious misrepresentation, but you are an atheist, so it is to be expected. I actually said that there are those who believe there is a link between homosexuality and pedophilia, I did not say that homosexuals are pedophiles, let alone all homosexuals, as you have wilfully accused me of.

This has nothing to do with being an atheist, or a Christian or a whatever. You have made a very serious claim against a large and diverse group of people in tying homosexuality to pedophilia. It's a claim that is not backed up by evidence, and certainly not by anything you've provided. You can try to backpedal now, but you apparently thought the claim was strong enough to try to support it with those articles you posted.

You can believe whatever you want, but you don't get to assert it as fact, especially when you are wrongfully accusing a large group of people of committing serious crimes against children.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, when you are fanatically pro-gay you are bound to think that. I didn't say that they don't know, I said that heterosexuals are more successful at it, according to four recent surveys, that all debunk the previous 59 studies of yesteryear, so, for the sake of the children, leave it to the experts.

I'm pro human being. And I'm pro equality of human beings.

You're making claims you can't back up again. The methodologically flawed article (the author himself agrees that it is flawed) you presented doesn't come anywhere close to "debunking" all previous studies. But then again, you never did address the concerns I brought up about the study, nor did you read any professional criticisms published about that study. So yeah, let's leave it to the experts.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Then what is all of the controversy about.

You are asserting that the study says something that it doesn't say. You ignore valid criticisms of the study and continue to claim that it debunks all 59 previous studies on the subject, when it does no such thing.
Then you accuse others of having poor research skills while continuing to assert that Regnerus' study confirms that homosexuals are bad parents.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You are ultra bias, why would we listen to your opinion? You could be lying in your fervent defence of homosexuals.

And you're not? Did you read those lists you posted? They're ludicrous.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Right, let me try and wade through all of the personal slurs and innuendos to give you an honest response. You do know that to respond with such hostility and indignation only shows your lack of etiquette and propriety when your own beliefs and opinions are being challenged, don't you?

If you find these facts to be hostile, that is your problem. We have reached a point in which enough research has been done to know that views that promote these negative ideas about homosexual are going the way those who believe in demonic possession. It won't be too much longer before you find such studies only in about the same frequency you see churches promoting the idea of demonic possessions and exorcisms.

 

[Serenity7855]

If you find these facts to be hostile, that is your problem. We have reached a point in which enough research has been done to know that views that promote these negative ideas about homosexual are going the way those who believe in demonic possession. It won't be too much longer before you find such studies only in about the same frequency you see churches promoting the idea of demonic possessions and exorcisms.

No we have not. You might like to think that those 59 dubious studies are enough because they are in your favour, however, they are unreliable and inaccurate so they need to be amended to reflect on the truth instead of their bias nature. That is why there is so much controversy around these new studies because they are honest and truthful.

 

[Serenity7855]

Shadow Wolf hasn't personally insulted you at all. Criticizing someone's arguments is not a personal attack.

So, this is a criticism of my opinions and not at all personal? Maybe you could point out for me where any of this vulgarity relates to gay parenting. It is a good job that I know the difference between reality and intentional lies intended to mislead people to believe what is blatantly untrue in order to protect your own sexuality or your bigotry. Either that or you cannot decipher what is an insult and what is criticism.

Your views are on track to becoming on par with female hysteria, which was treated by the doctor manually stimulated the genitals of a female patient until she had an orgasm. The later forms of treatment is actually what created the electric vibrato

 

[SkepticThinker]

No we have not. You might like to think that those 59 dubious studies are enough because they are in your favour, however, they are unreliable and inaccurate so they need to be amended to reflect on the truth instead of their bias nature. That is why there is so much controversy around these new studies because they are honest and truthful.

If you think the all of those studies are dubious, then please, go ahead and read them and point out exactly what you think is wrong with them and exactly how you think they are unreliable and inaccurate. In your own words.

The reason there is controversy around the two studies you posted is because there are problems with them. I pointed them out, you didn't address them and continue to falsely assert that they are pristine and/or hold more weight than dozens of other studies previously carried out that corroborate each other. Nevermind that the author of the study you posted isn't making the same claim about the study that you seem to be.
Please learn how science works. Just because they're published doesn't mean the peer review process ends. It's only just begun - now come the criticisms, and attempts to replicate similar results. Then we'll see if the 59 previous studies on the subject will be debunked or not. This is how it works!

 

[SkepticThinker]

So, this is a criticism of my opinions and not at all personal? Maybe you could point out for me where any of this vulgarity relates to gay parenting. It is a good job that I know the difference between reality and intentional lies intended to mislead people to believe what is blatantly untrue in order to protect your own sexuality or your bigotry. Either that or you cannot decipher what is an insult and what is criticism.

Your views are on track to becoming on par with female hysteria, which was treated by the doctor manually stimulated the genitals of a female patient until she had an orgasm. The later forms of treatment is actually what created the electric vibrato

Why is that vulgar? It's a description of an actual outdated belief/practice that was prevalent around the end of the 19th century. Doctors actually did that.

 

[McBell]

It is a good job that I know the difference between reality and intentional lies intended to mislead people to believe what is blatantly untrue in order to protect your own sexuality or your bigotry.

At best this is nothing more than a bold empty claim.
At worst it is a bold faced lie.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No we have not. You might like to think that those 59 dubious studies are enough because they are in your favour, however, they are unreliable and inaccurate so they need to be amended to reflect on the truth instead of their bias nature. That is why there is so much controversy around these new studies because they are honest and truthful.

It's like evolution; the only controversy that exist is within your own circles. It doesn't exist anywhere else and there just is no such controversy.

So, this is a criticism of my opinions and not at all personal?

It's my way of comparing your views to the historical trends of such views. There is a reason why things like alchemy and phrenology aren't seriously practiced any more, and why we no longer condemn people who are left-handed, and why, heaven forbid, we even started letting inter-racial couples get married. We have learned all people are of the same race, and that homosexuality is not an issue to be concerned about. It wouldn't even be an issue, at all, if people would just drop it.

 

[Serenity7855]

MY poor research skills? Is this a joke? I'm the one who looked up and read the study, summarized it, and corrected your numbers. Only in Bizarro World is that an indication of poor research skills on my part.

If it were a joke I would have said that a horse walked into a bar and the barman said "Why the long face". I din't say that, or anything like it, so no joke.

My numbers, really? You think that I conducted the survey or falsified the figures. I cut and pasted every number I posted.

You got someone to give you the paper so that you could have and unfair advantage over me. summarized it, you think that you have what it take to summarize someone else's paper in a area that you obviously have little knowledge, according to your biased and one sided views.

So what is it like living in Bizarro World then

If you want to talk about poor research skills let's talk about the fact that to back up your argument that homosexuality is linked with pedophilia, you posted several articles that you clearly didn't even read because they directly refuted your claim, and then posted the exact same link 3 times in the same list.

Now, I know that you would have read all the post I have written so you would know what I said about the 8 links that I posted. I said: "Nope, SkepticThinker announced that there is no link between homosexuals and pedophiles, so, I asked google and it came up with pages of stuff on it. So I selected the first eight and copied and pasted them here specifically to show SkepticThinker that there are people who have a different opinion." Now, I am aware that you have comprehension problems with my post that causes you to twist my words, but I am sure that you will be able to summarise this this paragraph.

Repeated the same link three times? I did list the same link twice by accident, however, three times? I have listed the links below. maybe you could show me where these three links that are the same are.

1. http://www.rense.com/general24/reportpedophilia.htm
2. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/homosexuality-pedophilia/
3. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/9/18/903178/-
4. http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3
5. http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/
6. http://www.rense.com/general24/reportpedophilia.htm
7. http://psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html
8. https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-correlation-between-homosexuality-and-pedophilia

Yes, I maybe should have read them but time didn't permit, however four of these links are to sites claiming a connection. And both you and Shadow Wolf insinuated that it was all against my beliefs, but you are both atheist who do not have the same principle as christians. You said: "The links you provided demonstrated pretty well that there is no link between pedophilia and homosexuality. So, thank you." and Shadow Wolf said And what you got didn't match your claims. It shows just how good at research you are. Can't you just tell that you are both atheists.

1&6. Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.

5. “The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering,” said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. “Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls.”

8. Yes. Homosexuality is 4 to 20 times more common in pedophiles than in the general population. In addition, homosexual pedophiles on average abuse twice as many children as heterosexual pedophiles.
​

And just a few more just to solidify the fact that there is a growing amount of people studying the connection between homosexuality and Pedophilia. Pedophiles are know saying that if homosexuality is legal then pedophilia should also be legal because like homosexuality they to are born that way, to be attracted to children, it is not their fault, and it is only a crime when they act on it.

1. Despite the vociferous LGBT protestations to the contrary, homosexual males actually do commit a disproportionate number of the child-sex abuse cases.
http://barbwire.com/2014/05/15/recent-example-link-homosexuality-pedophilia/

2. Despite efforts by homosexual activists to distance the gay lifestyle from pedophilia, there remains a disturbing connection between the two. This is because, by definition, male homosexuals are sexually attracted to other males. While many homosexuals may not seek young sexual partners, the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.
http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF08L46.pdf

3. Gay activists have strenuously argued that there is no connection between homosexuality and the sexual abuse of children. They point out that the majority of child molestation cases are by heterosexuals. But they neglect a pivotal fact: Homosexuals comprise only a small percentage of the population, yet account for an extraordinarily high percentage of offenses against children.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/865615/posts

4. A large percentage of male pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation to children, meaning they are attracted to male children or both male and female children
https://neuroanthropology.net/2010/05/10/inside-the-mind-of-a-pedophile/​

 

[SkepticThinker]

If it were a joke I would have said that a horse walked into a bar and the barman said "Why the long face". I din't say that, or anything like it, so no joke.

My numbers, really? You think that I conducted the survey or falsified the figures. I cut and pasted every number I posted.

You got someone to give you the paper so that you could have and unfair advantage over me. summarized it, you think that you have what it take to summarize someone else's paper in a area that you obviously have little knowledge, according to your biased and one sided views.

So what is it like living in Bizarro World then

You tried to correct me by cutting and pasting the wrong numbers. They were the wrong numbers. The numbers I gave were the correct ones.

I looked up the study myself and read it so I would know what I'm talking about. I told you I can access studies through the university I'm associated with.

Good grief can you quit whining and just address the arguments? The persecution complex thing is getting old.

Now, I know that you would have read all the post I have written so you would know what I said about the 8 links that I posted. I said: "Nope, SkepticThinker announced that there is no link between homosexuals and pedophiles, so, I asked google and it came up with pages of stuff on it. So I selected the first eight and copied and pasted them here specifically to show SkepticThinker that there are people who have a different opinion." Now, I am aware that you have comprehension problems with my post that causes you to twist my words, but I am sure that you will be able to summarise this this paragraph.

Repeated the same link three times? I did list the same link twice by accident, however, three times? I have listed the links below. maybe you could show me where these three links that are the same are.

1. http://www.rense.com/general24/reportpedophilia.htm
2. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/homosexuality-pedophilia/
3. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/9/18/903178/-
4. http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3
5. http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/
6. http://www.rense.com/general24/reportpedophilia.htm
7. http://psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html
8. https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-correlation-between-homosexuality-and-pedophilia

Yes, it was three times. I pointed it out before. I'm not doing it again. You can look through your own list and figure it out. All you have to do is pay attention.

Yes, I maybe should have read them but time didn't permit, however four of these links are to sites claiming a connection. And both you and Shadow Wolf insinuated that it was all against my beliefs, but you are both atheist who do not have the same principle as christians. You said: "The links you provided demonstrated pretty well that there is no link between pedophilia and homosexuality. So, thank you." and Shadow Wolf said And what you got didn't match your claims. It shows just how good at research you are. And what you got didn't match your claims. It shows just how good at research you are. Can't you just tell that you are both atheists.

1&6. Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.

5. “The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering,” said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. “Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls.”

8. Yes. Homosexuality is 4 to 20 times more common in pedophiles than in the general population. In addition, homosexual pedophiles on average abuse twice as many children as heterosexual pedophiles.

​

And just a few more just to solidify the fact that there is a growing amount of people studying the connection between homosexuality and Pedophilia. Pedophiles are know saying that if homosexuality is legal then pedophilia should also be legal because like homosexuality they to are born that way, to be attracted to children, it is not their fault, and it is only a crime when they act on it.

1. Despite the vociferous LGBT protestations to the contrary, homosexual males actually do commit a disproportionate number of the child-sex abuse cases.
http://barbwire.com/2014/05/15/recent-example-link-homosexuality-pedophilia/

2. Despite efforts by homosexual activists to distance the gay lifestyle from pedophilia, there remains a disturbing connection between the two. This is because, by definition, male homosexuals are sexually attracted to other males. While many homosexuals may not seek young sexual partners, the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.
http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF08L46.pdf

3. Gay activists have strenuously argued that there is no connection between homosexuality and the sexual abuse of children. They point out that the majority of child molestation cases are by heterosexuals. But they neglect a pivotal fact: Homosexuals comprise only a small percentage of the population, yet account for an extraordinarily high percentage of offenses against children.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/865615/posts

4. A large percentage of male pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation to children, meaning they are attracted to male children or both male and female children
https://neuroanthropology.net/2010/05/10/inside-the-mind-of-a-pedophile/​

Don't lecture people about proper research when you can't do it yourself. You embarrass yourself when you do that.

 

[Serenity7855]

And now you are cutting and pasting the same drivel again instead of addressing the arguments. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

This man claims to have had over 1000 male partner and vows to double it before he dies. This is the same man that you linked to as a support for your argument in favour of gay parenting. The last person you would want to raise children. Did you research him before you linked him. Did you read his profile, only I did.

 

[Serenity7855]

This has nothing to do with being an atheist, or a Christian or a whatever. You have made a very serious claim against a large and diverse group of people in tying homosexuality to pedophilia. It's a claim that is not backed up by evidence, and certainly not by anything you've provided. You can try to backpedal now, but you apparently thought the claim was strong enough to try to support it with those articles you posted.

Why would you accuse me of back peddling? I have not said anything that I need to retract, or are you using the dishonest tactic that if you throw enough dirt at someone, some of it is bound to stick. I have rectified the error that I made and have posted more links to verify my claim that there is a growing number of people coming to that conclusion. You just said "there is no link" without explanation. But lets clarify it to your understanding, Like you, I am not qualified to say that a connection exists, but, as I said, there are some that do. My mind is open, but leaning towards a connection.

You can believe whatever you want, but you don't get to assert it as fact, especially when you are wrongfully accusing a large group of people of committing serious crimes against children.

You really are quite a Machiavellian facinorous person, aren't you, to try and sully my name with blatant lies. I actually said that there are those who believe there is a link between homosexuality and pedophilia, I did not say that homosexuals are pedophiles, let alone all homosexuals, as you have wilfully accused me of. You know the truth so stop the nefarious and iniquitous behaviour and stop the lies. It does not help you win any popularity contests with the affable crowd.

 

[McBell]

Why would you accuse me of back peddling? i have not said anything that I need to retract, or are you using the dishonest tactic that if you through enough dirt at someone some of it is bound to stick. I have rectified the error that I made and have posted more links to verify my claim that there is a growing number of people coming to that conclusion. You just said "there is no link". It is a very strong claim. But let clarify it to your understanding, Like you, I am not qualified to say that a connection exists but as I said, there are some that do. my mind is open to it right now.


You really are quite facinorous person, aren't you, to try and sully my name with blatant lies.I actually said that there are those who believe there is a link between homosexuality and pedophilia, I did not say that homosexuals are pedophiles, let alone all homosexuals, as you have wilfully accused me of. You know the truth so stop the nefarious and iniquitous behaviour and stop the lies.

Please be so kind as to reveal the name of your god.

I want to know so that I can avoid the deity that condones your behavior.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Repeated the same link three times? I did list the same link twice by accident, however, three times? I have listed the links below. maybe you could show me where these three links that are the same are.

1. http://www.rense.com/general24/reportpedophilia.htm
2. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/homosexuality-pedophilia/
3. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/9/18/903178/-
4. http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3
5. http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/
6. http://www.rense.com/general24/reportpedophilia.htm
7. http://psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html
8. https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-correlation-between-homosexuality-and-pedophilia

I already showed you what links are the same. Re-read that post if you're confused. Or, you could just look through the links that you provided yourself. Actually look at them this time.

Yes, I maybe should have read them but time didn't permit, however four of these links are to sites claiming a connection. And both you and Shadow Wolf insinuated that it was all against my beliefs, but you are both atheist who do not have the same principle as christians. You said: "The links you provided demonstrated pretty well that there is no link between pedophilia and homosexuality. So, thank you." and Shadow Wolf said And what you got didn't match your claims. It shows just how good at research you are.Can't you just tell that you are both atheists.

What in the world does atheism have to do with anything?????????

1&6. Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.

What study? Where? Where did this come from?

5. “The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering,” said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. “Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls.”

I already addressed this. Why are you repeating it as though that didn’t happen? I hope I don’t see you accusing others of being disingenuous anymore.

8. Yes. Homosexuality is 4 to 20 times more common in pedophiles than in the general population. In addition, homosexual pedophiles on average abuse twice as many children as heterosexual pedophiles.

I addressed this too. And I pointed out then that if you want to link homosexuality to pedophilia, then you also have to link heterosexuality to pedophilia. You never addressed that.

And just a few more just to solidify the fact that there is a growing amount of people studying the connection between homosexuality and Pedophilia. Pedophiles are know saying that if homosexuality is legal then pedophilia should also be legal because like homosexuality they to are born that way, to be attracted to children, it is not their fault, and it is only a crime when they act on it.

This is a ridiculous point. Gee, I wonder why pedophiles would want to decriminalize their actions against children. It’s like they don’t want to go to prison or something. Terrible argument, even if it’s true (and who knows if it is).

People have been studying possible links between the two for years. Demonizing gay people is a must for some people.

1. Despite the vociferous LGBT protestations to the contrary, homosexual males actually do commit a disproportionate number of the child-sex abuse cases.
ht://barbwire.com/2014/05/15/recent-example-link-homosexuality-pedophilia/tp

This article stinks. No references and a bunch of anecdotal stories that don’t link homosexuality to pedophilia, thrown together by a pastor. Please don’t ever again accuse me of being a poor researcher when handing me this kind of stuff.

2. Despite efforts by homosexual activists to distance the gay lifestyle from pedophilia, there remains a disturbing connection between the two. This is because, by definition, male homosexuals are sexually attracted to other males. While many homosexuals may not seek young sexual partners, the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.

http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF08L46.pdf

So what do you say about “heterosexual” pedophiles who molest a child of the opposite sex? Does that mean heterosexuality is also related to pedophilia? I really need you to address that.

3. Gay activists have strenuously argued that there is no connection between homosexuality and the sexual abuse of children. They point out that the majority of child molestation cases are by heterosexuals. But they neglect a pivotal fact: Homosexuals comprise only a small percentage of the population, yet account for an extraordinarily high percentage of offenses against children.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/865615/posts

This article stinks as well. No usable references. I don’t have time to go through all these claims to see if they’re accurate or not. And like all the other articles you have cited, it fails to recognize that “heterosexuals” abuse children. Gee, I wonder why they don’t draw the same connection there as they do for homosexuals.

4. A large percentage of male pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation to children, meaning they are attracted to male children or both male and female children

https://neuroanthropology.net/2010/05/10/inside-the-mind-of-a-pedophile/

I suggest re-reading this because it doesn’t say what you think it does. And you’re not understanding the vast difference between pedophilia and homosexuality. Had you taken the time to read one of the links you yourself provided, you’d be aware of this difference:

“Another problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men2 is often referred to as "homosexual molestation." The adjective "homosexual" (or "heterosexual" when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator's sexual orientation.

As an expert panel of researchers convened by the National Academy of Sciences noted in a 1993 report: "The distinction between homosexual and heterosexual child molesters relies on the premise that male molesters of male victims are homosexual in orientation. Most molesters of boys do not report sexual interest in adult men, however" (National Research Council, 1993, p. 143, citation omitted).

To avoid this confusion, it is preferable to refer to men's sexual abuse of boys with the more accurate label of male-male molestation. Similarly, it is preferable to refer to men's abuse of girls as male-female molestation. These labels are more accurate because they describe the sex of the individuals involved but don't implicitly convey unwarranted assumptions about the perpetrator's sexual orientation.”

http://psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html

 

[SkepticThinker]

This man claims to have had over 1000 male partner and vows to double it before he dies. This is the same man that you linked to as a support for your argument in favour of gay parenting. The last person you would want to raise children. Did you research him before you linked him. Did you read his profile, only I did.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Boy, you're really going out of your way to avoid addressing the contents of the criticisms against the Regnerus study.

And I'm still waiting of an explanation as to what sex with other consenting adults has to do with parenting skills and abilities or with the ability to properly critique a study.

 

[McBell]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

How about actually reading his criticism of the Regnerus study and addressing that?

And I'm still waiting of an explanation as to what sex with other consenting adults has to do with parenting skills and abilities or with the ability to properly critique a study.

Seems evident that some people rely to heavily on their "eeeewwwww" factor....

 

[SkepticThinker]

Why would you accuse me of back peddling? I have not said anything that I need to retract, or are you using the dishonest tactic that if you throw enough dirt at someone, some of it is bound to stick. I have rectified the error that I made and have posted more links to verify my claim that there is a growing number of people coming to that conclusion. You just said "there is no link" without explanation. But lets clarify it to your understanding, Like you, I am not qualified to say that a connection exists, but, as I said, there are some that do. My mind is open, but leaning towards a connection.

There is no link. What explanation is required?

You really are quite a Machiavellian facinorous person, aren't you, to try and sully my name with blatant lies. I actually said that there are those who believe there is a link between homosexuality and pedophilia, I did not say that homosexuals are pedophiles, let alone all homosexuals, as you have wilfully accused me of. You know the truth so stop the nefarious and iniquitous behaviour and stop the lies. It does not help you win any popularity contests with the affable crowd.

These are your words: “Do you think that these people should raise children? What has not been raised here is the link that exist between pedophilia and homosexuals and is censored by the media. something like 70% of pedophiles admit to being gay, and we condone them raising children.”