Mormon Church To US Supreme Court: Ban Gay Marriage

[Serenity7855]

You are asserting that the study says something that it doesn't say. You ignore valid criticisms of the study and continue to claim that it debunks all 59 previous studies on the subject, when it does no such thing.
Then you accuse others of having poor research skills while continuing to assert that Regnerus' study confirms that homosexuals are bad parents.

You can be as blinker visioned as you wish, however, those 59 studies are now outdated and, therefore, obsolete.

New Study On Homosexual Parents Tops All Previous Research
In fact, an important article published in tandem with the Regnerus study (by Loren Marks, Louisiana State University) analyzes the 59 previous studies cited in a 2005 policy brief on homosexual parents by the American Psychological Association (APA).[2] Marks debunks the APA's claim that "[n]ot a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents." Marks also points out that only four of the 59 studies cited by the APA even met the APA's own standards by "provid[ing] evidence of statistical power." As Marks so carefully documents, "[N]ot one of the 59 studies referenced in the 2005 APA Brief compares a large, random, representative sample of lesbian or gay parents and their children with a large, random, representative sample of married parents and their children."

The Kids Aren’t All Right: New Family Structures and the "No Differences" Claim
In the first article, family studies scholar Loren Marks of Louisiana State University reviews the 59 studies that are referenced in the 2005 American Psychological Association brief that came to the conclusion that there are “no differences.” Marks concludes that “not one of the 59 studies referenced … compares a large, random, representative sample of lesbian or gay parents and their children with a large, random, representative sample of married parents and their children. The available data, which are drawn primarily from small convenience samples, are insufficient to support a strong generalizable claim either way.”[1] Marks’s study casts significant doubt upon the older evidence on which the APA brief, and thus the “no differences” paradigm, rests.

 

[Serenity7855]

There is no link. What explanation is required?


These are your words: “Do you think that these people should raise children? What has not been raised here is the link that exist between pedophilia and homosexuals and is censored by the media. something like 70% of pedophiles admit to being gay, and we condone them raising children.”

You are scrapping the barrel. They are indeed my words asking a question not making a statement. Where does it say that I believe there is a link between homosexuality and pedophilia? Do you think that homosexual pedophiles should raise children. Do you support pedophilia

Homosexuals prey on children.

• 33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7).
• There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association ( NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is "SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE." This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States.
• Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).
• 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9).
• Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: "The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality" (22).
• Because homosexuals can't reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting "TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT" in their homosexual parades. A group called the "Lesbian Avengers" prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print "WE RECRUIT" on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren't as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (8). See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1501855/posts

 

[Serenity7855]

This man claims to have had over 1000 male partner and vows to double it before he dies. This is the same man that you linked to as a support for your argument in favour of gay parenting. The last person you would want to raise children. Did you research him before you linked him. Did you read his profile, only I did.

[/QUOTE]

I see that you are still an advocate for Gish Gallop

 

[SkepticThinker]

You can be as blinker visioned as you wish, however, those 59 studies are now outdated and, therefore, obsolete.

New Study On Homosexual Parents Tops All Previous Research
In fact, an important article published in tandem with the Regnerus study (by Loren Marks, Louisiana State University) analyzes the 59 previous studies cited in a 2005 policy brief on homosexual parents by the American Psychological Association (APA).[2] Marks debunks the APA's claim that "[n]ot a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents." Marks also points out that only four of the 59 studies cited by the APA even met the APA's own standards by "provid[ing] evidence of statistical power." As Marks so carefully documents, "[N]ot one of the 59 studies referenced in the 2005 APA Brief compares a large, random, representative sample of lesbian or gay parents and their children with a large, random, representative sample of married parents and their children."

The Kids Aren’t All Right: New Family Structures and the "No Differences" Claim
In the first article, family studies scholar Loren Marks of Louisiana State University reviews the 59 studies that are referenced in the 2005 American Psychological Association brief that came to the conclusion that there are “no differences.” Marks concludes that “not one of the 59 studies referenced … compares a large, random, representative sample of lesbian or gay parents and their children with a large, random, representative sample of married parents and their children. The available data, which are drawn primarily from small convenience samples, are insufficient to support a strong generalizable claim either way.”[1] Marks’s study casts significant doubt upon the older evidence on which the APA brief, and thus the “no differences” paradigm, rests.

Why are you posting this for a third time? Are we starting over from scratch again or something?

 

[blue taylor]

Why does the word "gay" invoke such stupidity in so many. It's just a way of having sex. Who cares how other people have sex? If you don't like it don't do it. If you can not stand the thought of it, stop thinking about it. If your obsessed by it see a shrink.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I see that you are still an advocate for Gish Gollop

You clearly have no idea what the Gish Gallop is.

This guy has the proper credentials and expertise to write a review/critique of a study on homosexual parenting. By the way, his was not the only critique I provided for you to read, but you keep posting this guy's photo over and over and going on about how you dislike his sex life. Is that because you can't address the arguments?

I'm still waiting for your critique of the other 59 studies that demonstrate no difference between children raised by gay or straight people. You claimed they were "dubious." (Of course yours aren't though, right? Except for the obvious methodological flaws that have been pointed out in the Regnerus study that you didn't address).

 

[Serenity7855]

Why does the word "gay" invoke such stupidity in so many. It's just a way of having sex. Who cares how other people have sex? If you don't like it don't do it. If you can not stand the thought of it, stop thinking about it. If your obsessed by it see a shrink.

Firstly, you need to remember that this is a debating forum where posters exchange opinions and views. If we did as you suggest then there would be no one here.

Secondly, this is not just about the gay sex, it is about the persona of the vast majority of homosexuals. It is about lying, deceiving, egocentricity, wanton immoralities, disingenuousness, dissimulation, malicious manipulations, scheming, conniving, and a lot, lot more, that seems to be synonymous with most homosexuals and their atheist counterparts. Together they are turning our world into a den of iniquity.

I really do not care what they do with each other but when it intrudes on my rights then I have a right to say something about it.

1. Like my grandchildren being taught lies about sexuality and how acceptable homosexuality is.
2. Like two men acting inappropriately on my TV screen without any warning offending my sensibilities and confusing my grandchildren. The worst kind of sex imaginable is being taught to our impressionable children.
3. The cost to our national health service in treating AIDS, which, like it or not, is a illness that predominately effects gay men. But they will never admit that their actions have cost us billions when it could have feed starving children.
4. They are the most promiscuous group of people in our society having multiple partner that they just cannot keep and yet they managed to get our traditional marriage laws changed to include them.
5. They abused the human rights laws likening themselves to the plight of the blacks.
6. They treated us as complete fools by saying that what they do is natural because animals do it. Come on, and we bought it
7. They tried, and are still trying, to use science to convince us that they cannot help being gay, because they were born that way. It was in my genes. Absolute rubbish. Their objective is to normalize themselves
8. They are the biggest critics of religion. Words that are written plainly and simply they try to change to mean something else because they rightly condemn their actions.
9. They are trying to emulate heterosexual in child raising using unreliable and poorly researched studies, and then using dishonest methods to suppress new thoroughly researched studies the results of which are not only accurate but common sense, what you would expect. This could have a devastating effect on the innocent children that are in their care.
10. They have a fast track, exuberant lifestyle taking illegal drugs, poppers, antibiotics, alcohol in excess, anal and oral sex with multiple partners and excessive partying.
11. They have infiltrate our media industry promoting their lifestyle, on our TV screens,,,, as just another sexual orientation that is perfectly normal.
12. They have overly represented homosexuality in TV programs and the news to desensitize us. It has worked.
13. They suppress anything negative about homosexuality thus fooling us into believing that the pose no trouble to our society.
14. And the worst part is there supporters of immorality who are pro-gay, usually atheist, encouraging them on because they to share the same sense of depravity and lewd lasciviousness.

So, it is not just the perverse sex, it is the dishonesty, the lies, the deceptions, the underhandedness, chicanery, misrepresentation, and sophistry that is wrong. If they would have been honest then I would not have to expose their very real agenda and they would have fully integrated into our society. It is my belief that they are the biggest threat to humanities moral etiquette then has ever threatened it before. It is doing exactly what Satan wants to see, an we are allowing it to happened without much of a struggle. The bible said that mankind would be the author of his own destruction. Yet another prophecy fulfilled.

 

[Serenity7855]

You clearly have no idea what the Gish Gallop is.

Yes I do, which is why I am accusing you of it.

 

[Serenity7855]

Why are you posting this for a third time? Are we starting over from scratch again or something?

No, you are not comprehending it so I have posted it again so you can learn from it. Those 59 studies have been debunked as unreliable and poorly constructed.

 

[Serenity7855]

You clearly have no idea what the Gish Gallop is.

This guy has the proper credentials and expertise to write a review/critique of a study on homosexual parenting. By the way, his was not the only critique I provided for you to read, but you keep posting this guy's photo over and over and going on about how you dislike his sex life. Is that because you can't address the arguments?

I'm still waiting for your critique of the other 59 studies that demonstrate no difference between children raised by gay or straight people. You claimed they were "dubious." (Of course yours aren't though, right? Except for the obvious methodological flaws that have been pointed out in the Regnerus study that you didn't address).

This guy has the proper credentials and expertise to write a review/critique of a study on homosexual parenting? Are you for real? He is a self confessed sexual predator, bordering on a pedophile and you chose him as a source to support your argument. You could not have chosen anyone with a more dubious reputation then this guy as a viable supporter of your own belief. He makes Mark Regnerus look like a saint. Sleep with pigs long enough and you will start to squeal. You are guilty by association. You need to be more careful on the friend you keep.

Sport studies professor Eric Anderson says he has been the target of a “sustained campaign” by anti-gay Christian groups, after he revealed at an Oxford University debate in 2011 that he had slept with “easily over a thousand people”, and joked he was a sexual “predator”.

He said at the time: “I like sex with 16, 17, 18-year-old boys particularly, it’s getting harder for me to get them but I’m still finding them.

“I hope between the age of 43 and the time I die I can have sex with another thousand (Good candidate for parenthood then) — that would be awesome, even if I have to buy them, of course, not a problem.”
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/01/26/alan-titchmarsh-condemns-gay-winchester-professor/

Lecturer 'who likes to bed 17-year-olds' should be sacked say pressure group

A CAMPAIGN has been launched to sack a Hampshire university professor for expressing what it is claimed are extreme views on child abuse and sexuality. The call to remove controversial academic and gay rights campaigner Eric Anderson from his post comes after he made remarks about the damage caused by paedophiles during a speech delivered at Oxford University.

The group questioned whether the professor’s comments made him morally fit to lecture at an institution whose mission is to “educate, to advance knowledge and to serve the public good”.

Because Children Matter chairman Alan Craig said: “The attitude, behaviour and views of Professor Anderson are totally against all that Winchester University – or any university of excellence – stands for.

“The people of Winchester deserve to know the truth about Professor Anderson’s extreme views, given the public profile that he has pursued and the position of trust that he has in the university in educating and influencing students.”
http://www.topix.com/forum/county/winchester-va/T5EHL1LG3SKSF3LLF

The University of Winchester

The academic, originally from the USA, is also to come under the spotlight next Monday when he will be confronted by anti-gay marriage campaigner David Skinner, 70, in Winchester County Court.

Mr Skinner is alleging he assaulted him at the end of a lecture given at Bournemouth University.

Meanwhile Professor Anderson has launched a counter-claim against him for alleged harassment.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/NEWS/116..._should_be_sacked_say_pressure_group/?ref=rss

I'm still waiting for your critique of the other 59 studies that demonstrate no difference between children raised by gay or straight people. You claimed they were "dubious." (Of course yours aren't though, right? Except for the obvious methodological flaws that have been pointed out in the Regnerus study that you didn't address)

If you read my post you will find that I have given my response to it. Post #2581

New Study On Homosexual Parents Tops All Previous Research
In fact, an important article published in tandem with the Regnerus study (by Loren Marks, Louisiana State University) analyzes the 59 previous studies cited in a 2005 policy brief on homosexual parents by the American Psychological Association (APA).[2] Marks debunks the APA's claim that "[n]ot a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents." Marks also points out that only four of the 59 studies cited by the APA even met the APA's own standards by "provid[ing] evidence of statistical power." As Marks so carefully documents, "[N]ot one of the 59 studies referenced in the 2005 APA Brief compares a large, random, representative sample of lesbian or gay parents and their children with a large, random, representative sample of married parents and their children."
​

 

[Serenity7855]

There is no link. What explanation is required?

Maybe an explanation as to how you came to that conclusion instead us believing it just because you said it.

 

[McBell]

Are you accusing me of dishonesty

Your dishonesty has already been shown multiple times in this thread.

Well I know that is not true as I only write what I consider to be true and truth is a constant and therefor consistent.

Your inconsistency has already been shown multiple times in this thread.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Like two men acting inappropriately on my TV screen without any warning offending my sensibilities and confusing my grandchildren. The worst kind of sex imaginable is being taught to our impressionable children.

What kind of shows are your (grand)kids watching? There are shows for kids. Let them watch those. Don't put on South Park and then complain to us about how raunchy certain cartoons are.

The cost to our national health service in treating AIDS, which, like it or not, is a illness that predominately effects gay men. But they will never admit that their actions have cost us billions when it could have feed starving children.

Paying other countries to commit genocide against other populations could be better used to feed starving children. Helping people survive a bad infection is NOT that.
From this site (2015 data in millions)
HIV/AIDS: $3000
Behavioral and Social Sciences: $3762
Bioengineering: $3540
Biotechnology: $6018
Brain Disorders: $3916
Cancer: $5389
Clinical Research: $11366
Clinical Trials: $3136
Genetics: $7480
Infectious Diseases: $5032
Neurosciences: $5742

Shall I go on? I picked items that were spending over what we spend on HIV/AIDS. Go tell the cancer patient to die so we can better feed starving children.

They are the most promiscuous group of people in our society having multiple partner that they just cannot keep and yet they managed to get our traditional marriage laws changed to include them.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

They abused the human rights laws likening themselves to the plight of the blacks.

Cis people are going to be hurt by bathroom laws too. It's already started. In your quest to deny equal rights to one group, you actually deny yourself rights as well.

They tried, and are still trying, to use science to convince us that they cannot help being gay, because they were born that way. It was in my genes. Absolute rubbish. Their objective is to normalize themselves

I find it peculiar that Jesus told you that some "eunuchs" are born that way, made, or volunteered and you had to deal with it and YOU are telling your messiah he is wrong.

They are trying to emulate heterosexual in child raising using unreliable and poorly researched studies, and then using dishonest methods to suppress new thoroughly researched studies the results of which are not only accurate but common sense, what you would expect. This could have a devastating effect on the innocent children that are in their care.

Translation: I only read biased studies that use the most abused and depressed people to lump with all other members of the group.

They have a fast track, exuberant lifestyle taking illegal drugs, poppers, antibiotics, alcohol in excess, anal and oral sex with multiple partners and excessive partying.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

They have infiltrate our media industry promoting their lifestyle, on our TV screens,,,, as just another sexual orientation that is perfectly normal.

Do you whine this much when hetero sex is put out there for all to see?

Maybe you should stop watching anything over Y-7 rated TV shows. I don't think you're prepared for adulthood yet.

edit:

Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).

That means SIXTY-SEVEN percent of child molesters are HETERO. Do you know statistics work?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Are you accusing me of dishonesty

We have several times throughout this thread because you make it apparent that you are.

 

[Serenity7855]

What kind of shows are your (grand)kids watching? There are shows for kids. Let them watch those. Don't put on South Park and then complain to us about how raunchy certain cartoons are.

I am talking about soaps that air before the watershed.

 

[Serenity7855]

That means SIXTY-SEVEN percent of child molesters are HETERO. Do you know statistics work?

You think? These figures are for homosexuals mot lesbians or heterosexual woman.

 

[Serenity7855]

Do you whine this much when hetero sex is put out there for all to see?

Yes

Maybe you should stop watching anything over Y-7 rated TV shows. I don't think you're prepared for adulthood yet

It is not adulthood that I am not prepared for it is salacious lasciviousness. It is only those who subscribe to such risqué debauchery that would list it as a part of adulthood when it's market is the sexually perverse.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You are scrapping the barrel. They are indeed my words asking a question not making a statement. Where does it say that I believe there is a link between homosexuality and pedophilia? Do you think that homosexual pedophiles should raise children. Do you support pedophilia

Homosexuals prey on children.

• 33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7).
• There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association ( NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is "SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE." This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States.
• Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).
• 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9).
• Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: "The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality" (22).
• Because homosexuals can't reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting "TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT" in their homosexual parades. A group called the "Lesbian Avengers" prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print "WE RECRUIT" on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren't as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (8). See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1501855/posts

No, you're scraping the barrel with these pitiful sources.

NAMBLA is a group for pedophiles, not for gay people. Please learn the difference.


Well, let's look again then. You said:
"Do you think that these people should raise children? What has not been raised here is the link that exist between pedophilia and homosexuals and is censored by the media. something like 70% of pedophiles admit to being gay, and we condone them raising children.”

If you were indeed just "asking a question not making a statement," maybe you could explain why there is no question mark at the end of the highlighted sentences above. They sure do look like statements to me.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes I do, which is why I am accusing you of it.

If anyone's doing the Gish Gallop it is you with your repeated cut and paste posts with big long lists of "claims" about gay people. Then when they're addressed you just post another one. Then another one.
You're doing the Gish Gallop. I am responding to the vast amount of claims you're cramming into such posts.

The psychological projection is strong in you.

 

[SkepticThinker]

This guy has the proper credentials and expertise to write a review/critique of a study on homosexual parenting? Are you for real? He is a self confessed sexual predator, bordering on a pedophile and you chose him as a source to support your argument. You could not have chosen anyone with a more dubious reputation then this guy as a viable supporter of your own belief. He makes Mark Regnerus look like a saint. Sleep with pigs long enough and you will start to squeal. You are guilty by association. You need to be more careful on the friend you keep.

Sport studies professor Eric Anderson says he has been the target of a “sustained campaign” by anti-gay Christian groups, after he revealed at an Oxford University debate in 2011 that he had slept with “easily over a thousand people”, and joked he was a sexual “predator”.

He said at the time: “I like sex with 16, 17, 18-year-old boys particularly, it’s getting harder for me to get them but I’m still finding them.

“I hope between the age of 43 and the time I die I can have sex with another thousand (Good candidate for parenthood then) — that would be awesome, even if I have to buy them, of course, not a problem.”
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/01/26/alan-titchmarsh-condemns-gay-winchester-professor/

Lecturer 'who likes to bed 17-year-olds' should be sacked say pressure group

A CAMPAIGN has been launched to sack a Hampshire university professor for expressing what it is claimed are extreme views on child abuse and sexuality. The call to remove controversial academic and gay rights campaigner Eric Anderson from his post comes after he made remarks about the damage caused by paedophiles during a speech delivered at Oxford University.

The group questioned whether the professor’s comments made him morally fit to lecture at an institution whose mission is to “educate, to advance knowledge and to serve the public good”.

Because Children Matter chairman Alan Craig said: “The attitude, behaviour and views of Professor Anderson are totally against all that Winchester University – or any university of excellence – stands for.

“The people of Winchester deserve to know the truth about Professor Anderson’s extreme views, given the public profile that he has pursued and the position of trust that he has in the university in educating and influencing students.”
http://www.topix.com/forum/county/winchester-va/T5EHL1LG3SKSF3LLF

The University of Winchester

The academic, originally from the USA, is also to come under the spotlight next Monday when he will be confronted by anti-gay marriage campaigner David Skinner, 70, in Winchester County Court.

Mr Skinner is alleging he assaulted him at the end of a lecture given at Bournemouth University.

Meanwhile Professor Anderson has launched a counter-claim against him for alleged harassment.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/NEWS/116..._should_be_sacked_say_pressure_group/?ref=rss


If you read my post you will find that I have given my response to it. Post #2581

New Study On Homosexual Parents Tops All Previous Research
In fact, an important article published in tandem with the Regnerus study (by Loren Marks, Louisiana State University) analyzes the 59 previous studies cited in a 2005 policy brief on homosexual parents by the American Psychological Association (APA).[2] Marks debunks the APA's claim that "[n]ot a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents." Marks also points out that only four of the 59 studies cited by the APA even met the APA's own standards by "provid[ing] evidence of statistical power." As Marks so carefully documents, "[N]ot one of the 59 studies referenced in the 2005 APA Brief compares a large, random, representative sample of lesbian or gay parents and their children with a large, random, representative sample of married parents and their children."
​

Well at least he's not partially responsible for millions of deaths like your buddy Duesberg.

I guess in all this "research" you were doing you forgot to check out his credentials.
http://www.ericandersonphd.com/journal-articles.php
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Anderson_(sociologist)



Or if it bothers you that much, just ignore his critique and read one of the others I gave you so we can get on with this and get back to the content of the studies.