"Mormon Leader: Nicknames for Faith are 'Victory for Satan' "

[Skwim]

I know this is the third thread I've started about Mormons today, but it's only because the replies to my first post "Banned Mormon Cartoon" got me looking into the religion a bit, which in turn has led me to this odd news breaking item:

October 8, 2018
"The president of the Mormon church reiterated Sunday that he wants members, the media and others to use the faith’s full name, saying nicknames are “a major victory for Satan.”

Addressing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ twice-yearly conference in Salt Lake City, Russell M. Nelson said the church’s name “is not negotiable.”

“When the Savior clearly states what the name of his church should be, and even precedes his declaration with, ‘Thus shall my church be called,’ he is serious,” Nelson said. “And if we allow nicknames to be used and adopt or even sponsor those nicknames ourselves, he is offended.”

Nelson, 94, who is considered a prophet, reiterated that his instruction is not a name change, The Salt Lake Tribune reported.

It is a correction,” he said. “It is the command of the Lord.”
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Now this is a bit strange in light of the fact that

"The faith had embraced and promoted the term Mormon over the past several years, using it in a documentary and TV and billboard ads. A church webpage that was up before Nelson’s announcement had described the term as an “unofficial but inoffensive nickname for members.”
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So for close to 200 years Satan has hoodwinked the Mormon leadership into thinking "Mormon" was an acceptable nickname for the church ("Satan's Victory") until god finally prompted Nelson to change the name.

"Mr Nelson, 93, said the move had been prompted by God, who "impressed upon my mind the importance of the name"."
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In light of its importance one has to wonder why god waited so long to make the correction.

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[Revoltingest]

I never watched the TV series, "Big Love".

 

[Ellen Brown]

I know this is the third thread I've started about Mormons today, but it's only because the replies to my first post "Banned Mormon Cartoon" got me looking into the religion a bit, which in turn has led me to this odd news breaking item:

October 8, 2018
"The president of the Mormon church reiterated Sunday that he wants members, the media and others to use the faith’s full name, saying nicknames are “a major victory for Satan.”

Addressing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ twice-yearly conference in Salt Lake City, Russell M. Nelson said the church’s name “is not negotiable.”

“When the Savior clearly states what the name of his church should be, and even precedes his declaration with, ‘Thus shall my church be called,’ he is serious,” Nelson said. “And if we allow nicknames to be used and adopt or even sponsor those nicknames ourselves, he is offended.”

Nelson, 94, who is considered a prophet, reiterated that his instruction is not a name change, The Salt Lake Tribune reported.

It is a correction,” he said. “It is the command of the Lord.”
​

Now this is a bit strange in light of the fact that

"The faith had embraced and promoted the term Mormon over the past several years, using it in a documentary and TV and billboard ads. A church webpage that was up before Nelson’s announcement had described the term as an “unofficial but inoffensive nickname for members.”
source​

So for close to 200 years Satan has hoodwinked the Mormon leadership into thinking "Mormon" was an acceptable nickname for the church ("Satan's Victory") until god finally prompted Nelson to change the name.

"Mr Nelson, 93, said the move had been prompted by God, who "impressed upon my mind the importance of the name"."
source
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In light of its importance one has to wonder why god waited so long to make the correction.

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For someone who is a stated Agnostic, you are spending a lot of time obsessing about Mormons, almost like someone who is in very strong denial. Where did you find the time to watch General Conference. I watched the women's message and found that palatable, but the rest of it was far too emotional for me.

Then a Mormon woman started telling me how much she hated Obama and loved Trump. I left, being on the verge of a full on pukeathon.

 

[Katzpur]

What I can't figure out is why in the world anyone who is not LDS would even give a damn. The Church's leadership has requested that its correct name be used (at least in first mentioning the Church in an article or interview) followed by simply referring to it as "the Church." This is not the only time such a request has been made, but it is the first time it has been made in recent years. I would agree, though, that the request probably wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to outsiders. After all, the Church's PR department did initiate a pretty big advertising campaign not that many years ago called, "I'm a Mormon." What was evidently totally acceptable just a few years ago is now apparently taboo.

I think the main point that President Nelson was trying to get across is that whenever nicknames or abbreviations are used, they inevitably leave out the two most important words in the name of the Church: Jesus Christ. There is no such thing as "the Mormon Church" and there is no such thing as "the Church of the Latter-day Saints." There is, however, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" and its members are "Latter-day Saints." I'll probably continue to refer to us as LDS myself, but I'll probably try to use the full name of the Church often enough to put it out there for people. Maybe if they see it often enough, they'll start using it.

I don't imagine that Roman Catholics would appreciate very much being called "Papists," and as unimpressed as I am with the Pentecostal movement, I would have the common courtesy not to refer to Pentecostal Christians as "Holy Rollers." If we would prefer not to be called "Mormons," why is it such a big deal not to call us "Mormons"?

 

[Katzpur]

I never watched the TV series, "Big Love".

That was definitely your loss! I didn't miss a single episode and then binge watched the whole thing a few years after it originally aired.

 

[Katzpur]

Then a Mormon woman started telling me how much she hated Obama and loved Trump. I left, being on the verge of a full on pukeathon.

That would have pushed me over the edge, too. By the way, have you ever watched "Liberal Redneck - Thanks Obama"? Be prepared to love it.

 

[Ellen Brown]

That would have pushed me over the edge, too. By the way, have you ever watched "Liberal Redneck - Thanks Obama"? Be prepared to love it.

I'll try to watch it in the morning.

 

[Skwim]

For someone who is a stated Agnostic, you are spending a lot of time obsessing about Mormons, almost like someone who is in very strong denial. Where did you find the time to watch General Conference. I watched the women's message and found that palatable, but the rest of it was far too emotional for me.

Then a Mormon woman started telling me how much she hated Obama and loved Trump. I left, being on the verge of a full on pukeathon.

Don't know what the General Conference is, but I applaud your discernment, and apparent distaste of Trump.

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[Skwim]

What I can't figure out is why in the world anyone who is not LDS would even give a damn. The Church's leadership has requested that its correct name be used (at least in first mentioning the Church in an article or interview) followed by simply referring to it as "the Church." This is not the only time such a request has been made, but it is the first time it has been made in recent years. I would agree, though, that the request probably wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to outsiders. After all, the Church's PR department did initiate a pretty big advertising campaign not that many years ago called, "I'm a Mormon." What was evidently totally acceptable just a few years ago is now apparently taboo.

I think the main point that President Nelson was trying to get across is that whenever nicknames or abbreviations are used, they inevitably leave out the two most important words in the name of the Church: Jesus Christ. There is no such thing as "the Mormon Church" and there is no such thing as "the Church of the Latter-day Saints." There is, however, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" and its members are "Latter-day Saints." I'll probably continue to refer to us as LDS myself, but I'll probably try to use the full name of the Church often enough to put it out there for people. Maybe if they see it often enough, they'll start using it.

I don't imagine that Roman Catholics would appreciate very much being called "Papists," and as unimpressed as I am with the Pentecostal movement, I would have the common courtesy not to refer to Pentecostal Christians as "Holy Rollers." If we would prefer not to be called "Mormons," why is it such a big deal not to call us "Mormons"?

Having put me on "Ignore," obviously Katzpur won't be reading this, but for those who have read his remarks here, let me explain.

At their core every Christian denomination is telling all non-Christians that what they believe is false. In fact they advertise it across the media, from simplistic "Get Right With Jesus (you're not currently right)" tracts to hour-long "Praise Jesus" TV shows: that they, Christians, are absolutely right, and that the non-Christian is absolutely wrong. Yet considering how strongly the Bible speaks against such arrogance it's rather disingenuous to take it up as a posture from which to view themselves and others, but that's Christians for you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think the main point that President Nelson was trying to get across is that whenever nicknames or abbreviations are used, they inevitably leave out the two most important words in the name of the Church:

That's more-or-less the same reason Indiana University does not abbreviate it's name in any documents, and though pretty much everyone says IUK, in digital and analog print from the school itself the name is always spelled out as Indiana University Kokomo. It's that same "missing something" and looking official enough to take the time to fully spell it out.

 

[Kirran]

At their core every Christian denomination is telling all non-Christians that what they believe is false. In fact they advertise it across the media, from simplistic "Get Right With Jesus (you're not currently right)" tracts to hour-long "Praise Jesus" TV shows: that they, Christians, are absolutely right, and that the non-Christian is absolutely wrong. Yet considering how strongly the Bible speaks against such arrogance it's rather disingenuous to take it up as a posture from which to view themselves and others, but that's Christians for you.

Not a universal trait amongst Christians.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That would have pushed me over the edge, too. By the way, have you ever watched "Liberal Redneck - Thanks Obama"? Be prepared to love it.

Getting run over by a turd truck, LMAO!!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

At their core every Christian denomination is telling all non-Christians that what they believe is false. In fact they advertise it across the media, from simplistic "Get Right With Jesus (you're not currently right)" tracts to hour-long "Praise Jesus" TV shows: that they, Christians, are absolutely right, and that the non-Christian is absolutely wrong. Yet considering how strongly the Bible speaks against such arrogance it's rather disingenuous to take it up as a posture from which to view themselves and others, but that's Christians for you.

Except the ones that don't. And in my experience, it's more typical and common that they declare all other denominations wrong, and spend why more time bashing those of another denomination than those who aren't Christian. But that's not all Christians either, and a good deal of them openly welcome all denominations and even faiths into their church.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

What I can't figure out is why in the world anyone who is not LDS would even give a damn.

Well I would say 'I don't care' in the sense that I'm not emotionally invested. Leaving that aside for a moment; the notion that using slang names for your Church is 'helping Satan' is a rather peculiar and frankly silly statement to make.

And you know how we feel about those, don't you?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I know this is the third thread I've started about Mormons today, but it's only because the replies to my first post "Banned Mormon Cartoon" got me looking into the religion a bit, which in turn has led me to this odd news breaking item:

October 8, 2018
"The president of the Mormon church reiterated Sunday that he wants members, the media and others to use the faith’s full name, saying nicknames are “a major victory for Satan.”

Addressing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ twice-yearly conference in Salt Lake City, Russell M. Nelson said the church’s name “is not negotiable.”

“When the Savior clearly states what the name of his church should be, and even precedes his declaration with, ‘Thus shall my church be called,’ he is serious,” Nelson said. “And if we allow nicknames to be used and adopt or even sponsor those nicknames ourselves, he is offended.”

Nelson, 94, who is considered a prophet, reiterated that his instruction is not a name change, The Salt Lake Tribune reported.

It is a correction,” he said. “It is the command of the Lord.”
​

Now this is a bit strange in light of the fact that

"The faith had embraced and promoted the term Mormon over the past several years, using it in a documentary and TV and billboard ads. A church webpage that was up before Nelson’s announcement had described the term as an “unofficial but inoffensive nickname for members.”
source​

So for close to 200 years Satan has hoodwinked the Mormon leadership into thinking "Mormon" was an acceptable nickname for the church ("Satan's Victory") until god finally prompted Nelson to change the name.

"Mr Nelson, 93, said the move had been prompted by God, who "impressed upon my mind the importance of the name"."
source
​

In light of its importance one has to wonder why god waited so long to make the correction.

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I wonder if it had anything to do with peoples bizarre sensitivity for names these days.

A byproduct of the ongoing PC culture movement.

 

[Katzpur]

Well I would say 'I don't care' in the sense that I'm not emotionally invested. Leaving that aside for a moment; the notion that using slang names for your Church is 'helping Satan' is a rather peculiar and frankly silly statement to make.

And you know how we feel about those, don't you?

I'd have to agree with you that it was a bit over-the-top.

 

[Skwim]

Not a universal trait amongst Christians.

Individually, not necessarily, but as a whole it is one of the messages of Christianity.

Except the ones that don't. And in my experience, it's more typical and common that they declare all other denominations wrong, and spend why more time bashing those of another denomination than those who aren't Christian. But that's not all Christians either, and a good deal of them openly welcome all denominations and even faiths into their church.

Don't know what welcoming other faiths into one's church would consist of, but welcoming other Christian denominations certainly seems reasonable.

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[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't imagine that Roman Catholics would appreciate very much being called "Papists," and as unimpressed as I am with the Pentecostal movement, I would have the common courtesy not to refer to Pentecostal Christians as "Holy Rollers." If we would prefer not to be called "Mormons," why is it such a big deal not to call us "Mormons"?

I see a few differences:

- Catholics never referred to themselves as "Papists." AFAICT, "Mormon" seems to have come from following the lead of members of the Church in how they call themselves.

- the term "Mormon" doesn't seem to be inherently derogatory like "Papist" or "Holy Roller." It's not at all clear to me why the term suddenly became an issue.

- it's pretty common to refer to members of a church by something other than the church's official name. For instance, we call members of the Watchtower Society "Jehovah's Witnesses." You used the term "Pentecostal" in your own post, which isn't in the official name of many Pentecostal churches.

- it's awkward not to have a short term to refer to members of a denomination. The one that's been suggested doesn't really work:

Is he a Baptist?
No, he's a member of the Church.

It has the makings of a "Who's on First?" routine.

"Catholic" and "Pentecostal" are only 3 and 4 syllables, respectively. "Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" is 14.

 

[Katzpur]

I see a few differences:

- Catholics never referred to themselves as "Papists." AFAICT, "Mormon" seems to have come from following the lead of members of the Church in how they call themselves.

- the term "Mormon" doesn't seem to be inherently derogatory like "Papist" or "Holy Roller." It's not at all clear to me why the term suddenly became an issue.

Actually, the term was initially very derisive and was not used by members of the Church itself. In recent years, this doesn't seem to have been the case.

- it's pretty common to refer to members of a church by something other than the church's official name. For instance, we call members of the Watchtower Society "Jehovah's Witnesses." You used the term "Pentecostal" in your own post, which isn't in the official name of many Pentecostal churches.

- it's awkward not to have a short term to refer to members of a denomination. The one that's been suggested doesn't really work:

Is he a Baptist?
No, he's a member of the Church.

It has the makings of a "Who's on First?" routine.

"Catholic" and "Pentecostal" are only 3 and 4 syllables, respectively. "Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" is 14.

We are "Latter-day Saints." That's four syllables and totally acceptable. "Member of the Roman Catholic Church" is ten. Don't mix apples and oranges and we'll be fine.

 

[Skwim]

Actually, the term was initially very derisive and was not used by members of the Church itself. In recent years, this doesn't seem to have been the case.

We are "Latter-day Saints." That's four syllables and totally acceptable. "Member of the Roman Catholic Church" is ten. Don't mix apples and oranges and we'll be fine.

Mormons can call themselves whatever they like, but to call one's self a Saint does come across as a bit arrogant, even if it's known this isn't how they consider themselves . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .or maybe they do.

Q. Do Mormons consider themselves to be saints, in the commonly accepted definition of the word?

saint
(sānt)n.1. Christianity
a. Abbr. St. or S. A person officially recognized, especially by canonization, as being entitled to public veneration and capable of interceding for people on earth.
b. A person who has died and gone to heaven.

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A saint (also historically known as a hallow) is a person who is recognized as having an exceptional degree of holiness or likeness or closeness to God

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saint
Pronunciation /seɪnt//s(ə)nt/
noun
1 A person acknowledged as holy or virtuous and regarded in Christian faith as being in heaven after death.

1.1 A person of exalted virtue who is canonized by the Church after death and who may be the object of veneration and prayers for intercession.
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