Mormon Speculation: Becoming a God.

[Sola'lor]

THis thread is mainly for LDS but others are welcome. This is to be a discussion of what becoming a God will be like. It is NOT a discussion on the reality of becoming a God. It is a discussion of what people beliefs are about becoming a God. please remember this is a discussion not a debate.

Posts with scriptures against the concept of becoming a God; or stating their objection to the concept are not welcome.

In this thread it is assumed that becoming a God is real and the it is what happens to those who attain the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom.

All readers and/or participants need to remember thius is a highly debatable subject. Most of the information out there about this subject is not the doctrine of the LDS church.

I would also ask that all LDS participants clearly state what is actual church doctrine. Anything not clearly marked as church doctrine will be assumed to be personal opinion.

Ok now that I got that out of the way.

I was posting in another thread about eternal progression. And the thought occured to me to make this thread. I've heard many different theories from members about what Godhood will be like. I've heard that we will have to become saviours on our own planets. I've heard that we wont be saviours on our own planet. I've heard that we will be gods on our own planet or our own galaxy or our own universe. What are your ideas?

This is what I said in the other thread:

But anyway, now is were we get to dabble in things that may or may not be doctrine. It is doctrine that those who achieve the highest degree of the celestial kingdom will be able to become like God meaning that we will become perfect.

The rest of what I am going to say is partially doctrine mixed with personal opinions of prophets, and personal speculation. In the highest degree we will be able to attain such perfection and such power and knowledge that we will be able to become exactly like our Heavenly Father, meaning a god. We will be able to have our own universes(not a planet or planets or galaxy in this universe). We will be able to, with our spouse have spirit children of our own who will then go through the same thing we went through on Earth. We will be their God. Our God will still be our God but we will now have spirit children of our own. Just as in this life. When I become a father my Father will still be my father. He will become a grandfather. I believe God has a God he is indepentant of Him but He is still His God. God will still be our God but our God will not be the God of our Spirit children. When we become Gods of our own universe God will now be the God of us(as Gods) rather than us(as humans) and thus will increase and progress. This is called eternal progression. Children become parents by having children. Those children become parenst and on and on for eternity.

To sum up what I believe. I believe we will each become god's of our own universe. God is the God of this universe and we will each become god of our own. I believe that something similar to the 'Big Bang' will happen when we recieve our own universe and that will get everything started for us. Obviously it's just theory and highly influenced by the liimits of a mortal mind by that's what I think.

What is everyone elses opinion?

 

[Katya]

I must admit, if I think about this concept too much, it does my head in.

...I've heard that we will have to become saviours on our own planets. I've heard that we wont be saviours on our own planet...

That, I found interesting. But IMO I don't think we would be saviours of our own world. To me it wouldn't make sense. Unless of course God would do this all over again. Actually that brings up a question. Would he do this all over again? But not with us?

I would like to think that I would become god of my own world. That'll be cool.

Like I said, If I think about this too much, I get a sore head.

 

[Sola'lor]

Like I said, If I think about this too much, I get a sore head.

I've had my head hurt from thinking about this too much. I actually felt pain in my brain. It was weird. Hehehe.

 

[blackout]

I would like to think that I would become god of my own world. That'll be cool.

Yup. That's what I'm talkin about.

 

[Katya]

I don't know about people on this forum or on other forums, but some seem to shy away from this theory. Either they ignore it, and hope it goes away, Or they deny it. I can't figure out if they're ashamed or don't believe it. I mean to some people it does seem pretty far fetched. But I have no problem with it whatsoever.

 

[nutshell]

This thread feels like the tower of Babel.


Before we proceed, show me the church doctrine that says we can become "a God." I always thought the teaching was that we could become "like God." Potentially, that's a huge difference.

 

[Katzpur]

What is everyone elses opinion?

Okay, here's my opinion. Becoming a goddess is not something I want to do. It's really not. Consequently, I don't think I've ever going to be one. If by any chance I reach the Celestial Kingdom and if by any chance God is merciful enough to give me my children, I'll be plenty satisfied.

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

*I am clearly labeling this my opinion*

I always understood this concept of becoming a God or God-like as stemming from the strong family aspect of the church. No other church IMO focus's on family like the LDS church. It blew me away, and I love it. I never remember doctrine regarding this to be brought up... and I don't think it's needed. It is based off of natural "family"- "biological" structure. Offspring are born with some traits of the parents, and are capable of inheriting them all. I don't think it would involve inheriting a world or galaxy, I think it will just involve a closer relationship with Heavenly Father. It might include, gaining an immensly deeper understanding of spirituality, an immensly deeper understanding of happiness, parenthood, creation, and who knows what else. I do not think we will ever become an equal to Heavenly Father though, if that has ever even been implied. *LDS peoples rox btw*

 

[Katzpur]

*I am clearly labeling this my opinion*

I always understood this concept of becoming a God or God-like as stemming from the strong family aspect of the church. No other church IMO focus's on family like the LDS church. It blew me away, and I love it. I never remember doctrine regarding this to be brought up... and I don't think it's needed. It is based off of natural "family"- "biological" structure. Offspring are born with some traits of the parents, and are capable of inheriting them all. I don't think it would involve inheriting a world or galaxy, I think it will just involve a closer relationship with Heavenly Father. It might include, gaining an immensly deeper understanding of spirituality, an immensly deeper understanding of happiness, parenthood, creation, and who knows what else. I do not think we will ever become an equal to Heavenly Father though, if that has ever even been implied. *LDS peoples rox btw*

I think you have a better understanding of this doctrine than most Latter-day Saints, to tell you the truth.

 

[Sola'lor]

This thread feels like the tower of Babel.


Before we proceed, show me the church doctrine that says we can become "a God." I always thought the teaching was that we could become "like God." Potentially, that's a huge difference.

I'm pretty sure ther isn't a scripture that says we will become God. That's why I tried to specify that in the OP. The only doctrine is becoming like God. The idea that we will become God's comes from sources other than the scriptures. That's why I wanted to make sure everyone reading this would know for sure the differences between doctrine and speculation.

 

[Francine]

Before we proceed, show me the church doctrine that says we can become "a God." I always thought the teaching was that we could become "like God." Potentially, that's a huge difference.

Pss.82:[6] I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

 

[Katzpur]

I think the issue here is whether we are talking about "God," "Gods," "god," or "gods." "God" is the title we give to the members of the Godhead -- the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It's who they collectively are. Since we believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three physically distinct beings, it is also accurate to speak of them as "Gods." I don't think any of us believe that someday we will become a part of the Godhead. Should we ever be found worthy to become "gods," we will have reached the point, through eternal progression, where we share the attributes of our God. But just as Paul explained that "though there be that are called gods...", we have only one "God." I suppose that it is conceivable that those who become gods will be known as "God" to their own creations. But to the creations of other gods, they will be only "those who are called gods," rather than "God."

 

[Sola'lor]

I think the issue here is whether we are talking about "God," "Gods," "god," or "gods." "God" is the title we give to the members of the Godhead -- the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It's who they collectively are. I don't think any of us believe that someday we will become a part of the Godhead. Since we believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three physically distinct beings, it is also accurate to speak of them as "Gods." I don't think any of us believe that someday we will become a part of the Godhead. Should we ever be found worthy to become "gods," we will have reached the point, through eternal progression, where we share the attributes of our God. But just as Paul explained that "though there be that are called gods...", we have only one "God." I suppose that it is conceivable that those who become gods will be known as "God" to their own creations.

Agreed

But to the creations of other gods, they will be only "those who are called gods," rather than "God."

But we don't evfen know of the creations of other gods let alone other gods with their own creations. I imagine there are other god's with their own creations that exist in another universe somwhere. But they have no influence over God and his creations.

 

[Katzpur]

But we don't evfen know of the creations of other gods let alone other gods with their own creations. I imagine there are other god's with their own creations that exist in another universe somwhere. But they have no influence over God and his creations.

What I was saying -- and this is totally hypothetical -- is this: Suppose that someday, a billion or so years from now, you and your wife were to become a god and goddess. You and your wife created a universe and populated it with beings like yourself, who worshipped you and called you "God." Suppose that at about the same time, my husband and I were also to become a god and goddess, and that we also created a universe and populated it with beings like us, who worshipped us and called my husband "God." What I was trying to say was that from the perspective of your spirit offspring, my husband would be one of "those who are called gods," but you would be the only true "God."

Honestly, I don't even know why I posted on this thread. It's really not something I give a lot of thought to or care to know about... at least not for the time being.

 

[Sola'lor]

What I was saying -- and this is totally hypothetical -- is this: Suppose that someday, a billion or so years from now, you and your wife were to become a god and goddess. You and your wife created a universe and populated it with beings like yourself, who worshipped you and called you "God." Suppose that at about the same time, my husband and I were also to become a god and goddess, and that we also created a universe and populated it with beings like us, who worshipped us and called my husband "God." What I was trying to say was that from the perspective of your spirit offspring, my husband would be one of "those who are called gods," but you would be the only true "God."

Honestly, I don't even know why I posted on this thread. It's really not something I give a lot of thought to or care to know about... at least not for the time being.

Yeah I knew what you meant.

Back in seminary when I first heard about this concept my and my friend would tell everybody we would crash planets together. Have a planet I would be god of and one that he would be god of and then send them hurtling through space and crash into each other.

Yeeeeeeeessss!! Mwahahahaha!!! The devistation!:fork:

 

[Katzpur]

Back in seminary when I first heard about this concept my and my friend would tell everybody we would crash planets together. Have a planet I would be god of and one that he would be god of and then send them hurtling through space and crash into each other.

Yeeeeeeeessss!! Mwahahahaha!!! The devistation!:fork:

Could I just sleep in?

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

Back in seminary when I first heard about this concept my and my friend would tell everybody we would crash planets together. Have a planet I would be god of and one that he would be god of and then send them hurtling through space and crash into each other.

Yeeeeeeeessss!! Mwahahahaha!!! The devistation!:fork:

Are you sure you weren't in my seminary class??!! LOL. That sounds like my friends and I! We used to have so much fun turning things around on the teacher like that and making up off the wall stuff!

 

[Kungfuzed]

Yeah I knew what you meant.

Back in seminary when I first heard about this concept my and my friend would tell everybody we would crash planets together. Have a planet I would be god of and one that he would be god of and then send them hurtling through space and crash into each other.

Yeeeeeeeessss!! Mwahahahaha!!! The devistation!:fork:

According to scientists this has already happened, suggesting that God was once a child himself, or a pool player.

 

[nutshell]

I'm pretty sure ther isn't a scripture that says we will become God. That's why I tried to specify that in the OP. The only doctrine is becoming like God. The idea that we will become God's comes from sources other than the scriptures. That's why I wanted to make sure everyone reading this would know for sure the differences between doctrine and speculation.

OK - so to be clear, your OP is based on speculation and not doctrine, correct?

 

[Sola'lor]

OK - so to be clear, your OP is based on speculation and not doctrine, correct?

Yes Siree Bob. It's based completely on speculation and personal interpretations.

Doctrine is becoming LIKE God, not becoming A God.