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Mother Julian of Norwich

Nozem

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Was wondering if anyone else out there was interested in Mother Julian of Norwich (1342 -1418) and her 'Revelations of Divine Love' ? I studied this work a few years ago when I was
doing a course on Medieval History, and my interest in it was rekindled when a visiting minister at our church mentioned it last Sunday. It seems that some people have found a
Universalist 'subtext' to the work, though on the surface ( at least) it is fairly Trinitarian and reveres the Church.
 

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Nozem said:
Was wondering if anyone else out there was interested in Mother Julian of Norwich (1342 -1418) and her 'Revelations of Divine Love' ? I studied this work a few years ago when I was
doing a course on Medieval History, and my interest in it was rekindled when a visiting minister at our church mentioned it last Sunday. It seems that some people have found a
Universalist 'subtext' to the work, though on the surface ( at least) it is fairly Trinitarian and reveres the Church.
I've had an affection for Julian's Showings for about a quarter of a century, through more than one change of religious affiliation. I have Chapter 5 on my homepage:


In this same time our Lord shewed me a spiritual sight of His homely loving.

I saw that He is to us everything that is good and comfortable for us: He is our clothing that for love wrappeth us, claspeth us, and all encloseth us for tender love, that He may never leave us; being to us all-thing that is good, as to mine understanding. Also in this He shewed me a little thing, the quantity of an hazel-nut, in the palm of my hand; and it was as round as a ball. I looked thereupon with eye of my understanding, and thought: What may this be? And it was answered generally thus: It is all that is made. I marvelled how it might last, for methought it might suddenly have fallen to naught for little. And I was answered in my understanding: It lasteth, and ever shall for that God loveth it. And so All-thing hath the Being by the love of God.

In this Little Thing I saw three properties. The first is that God made it, the second is that God loveth it, the third, that God keepeth it. But what is to me verily the Maker, the Keeper, and the Lover,—I cannot tell; for till I am Substantially oned to Him, I may never have full rest nor very bliss: that is to say, till I be so fastened to Him, that there is right nought that is made betwixt my God and me.

It needeth us to have knowing of the littleness of creatures and to hold as nought all-thing that is made, for to love and have God that is unmade. For this is the cause why we be not all in ease of heart and soul: that we seek here rest in those things that are so little, wherein is no rest, and know not our God that is All-mighty, All-wise, All-good. For He is the Very Rest. God willeth to be known, and it pleaseth Him that we rest in Him; for all that is beneath Him sufficeth not us. And this is the cause why that no soul is rested till it is made nought as to all things that are made. When it is willingly made nought, for love, to have Him that is all, then is it able to receive spiritual rest. Also our Lord God shewed that it is full great pleasance to Him that a helpless soul come to Him simply and plainly and homely. For this is the natural yearnings of the soul, by the touching of the Holy Ghost (as by the understanding that I have in this Shewing): God, of Thy Goodness, give me Thyself: for Thou art enough to me, and I may nothing ask that is less that may be full worship to Thee; and if I ask anything that is less, ever me wanteth,—but only in Thee I have all. And these words are full lovely to the soul, and full near touch they the will of God and His Goodness. For His Goodness comprehendeth all His creatures and all His blessed works, and overpasseth without end. For He is the endlessness, and He hath made us only to Himself, and restored us by His blessed Passion, and keepeth us in His blessed love; and all this of His Goodness.

 

Nozem

Member
Certainly the 'Showings' contain some very moving pieces ; from the historical perspective it is fascinating how Mother Julian was, as far as we can tell, held in high esteem in Norwich, and consulted by local people.Yet hardly any copies of the 'Showings' are known to exist, and it is possible that not many copies were made-we are talking out an era when the texts were written out by hand. Mother Julian doesn't seem to have been able to write, she describes herself as 'unlettered' so the text was probably dictated.

"Also in this He shewed me a little thing, the quantity of an hazel-nut, in the palm of my hand; and it was as round as a ball. I looked thereupon with eye of my understanding, and thought: What may this be? And it was answered generally thus: It is all that is made. I marvelled how it might last, for methought it might suddenly have fallen to naught for little. And I was answered in my understanding: It lasteth, and ever shall ......."

This passage intrigues me, the notion that all that is made amounts to very little yet is being nurtured by God. Other passages are far more literal, when Mother Julian can sense the warmth of the blood under Christ's crown of thorns. I think that Universalists and Unitarians have taken an interest in Mother Julian as her claim 'All Shall Be Well' suggests a concept of Universal Salvation, though as mentioned the overall tone of 'The Showings' is very defferential to the Church and to the concept of the Trinity.

What is the address of your homepage? I will pay a visit.
 
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