Mr. Trump Calls Fallen Servicemen "Suckers" and "Losers"

[Fool]

That makes sense (though likewise on the mob mentality stuff with speaking out against the left). However, it most certainly does not strengthen these anonymous individuals' case against Trump.

Psychologically there is something incestuous about the man. He views humans like objects.

 

[Harel13]

Psychologically there is something incestuous about the man. He views humans like objects.

Still not strengthening the case against him. Great job on being objective.

As the great Joe Biden says: "C'mon, man!"

 

[Fool]

Still not strengthening the case against him. Great job on being objective.

As the great Joe Biden says: "C'mon, man!"

really? He's got most of his family surrounding him. It's obvious. I've been watching this man going all the way back to the apprentice. He's just another pt barnum. I've known him when I had never heard of any Biden.

I didn't vote for him or clinton. I'm even less impressed after 4 years of lies, chaos, dramas, and vendictive behavior. The man is a huge hypocrite.

 

[Harel13]

really? He's got most of his family surrounding him. It's obvious. I've been watching this man going all the way back to the apprentice. He's just another pt barnum. I've known him when I had never heard of any Biden.

I didn't vote for him or clinton. I'm even less impressed after 4 years of lies, chaos, dramas, and vendictive behavior. The man is a huge hypocrite.

And yet you keep moving farther and farther away from the topic. Amazing.

 

[Fool]

And yet you keep moving farther and farther away from the topic. Amazing.

I don't color inside the lines well. I'm more of an impressionist type.

 

[Harel13]

don't color inside the lines well. I'm more of an impressionist type.

That seems to be the case with many of the political threads around here. Wonder why that is.

 

[Fool]

That seems to be the case with many of the political threads around here. Wonder why that is.

Because this isn't a journalist forum. And most have formed an opinion based on life experiences.

 

[Kenny]

Thats basically the whole of his presidency.

Except much of what was mentioned is verified and on video. Amd it is certainly not outside of his character.

I looked for it... couldn't find it... can you give me where and on which report?

 

[PureX]

My 8 yr. old daughter said that's disgusting.

Why would you show it to an 8 year old?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Could you summarize the video?

It's an ad by the Lincoln Project, detailing how American soldiers were executed or died in Germany, Japan, Korea, Vietnan, Afghanistan and other places. It includes the clip of Trump saying (about John McCain), "He wasn't a hero, because he was captured. I prefer people who weren't captured." The ad ends by saying, "No, Donald, you were wrong. The were heroes because they were captured."

 

[Harel13]

It's an ad by the Lincoln Project, detailing how American soldiers were executed or died in Germany, Japan, Korea, Vietnan, Afghanistan and other places. It includes the clip of Trump saying (about John McCain), "He wasn't a hero, because he was captured. I prefer people who weren't captured." The ad ends by saying, "No, Donald, you were wrong. The were heroes because they were captured."

Forgive me, but Trump or not, the ending of the ad is ridiculous, in my opinion (as someone who served and still volunteers in helping and motivating fellow IDF soldiers). They were - and are - heroes for committing to serve and serving, not "because they were captured". No deep-voiced narrator will convince me otherwise.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes Revolt, it is true that Trump treating McCain badly isn't evidence that Trump seeks out vets to treat them badly.

It is evidence of his lack of regard for the concept of self-sacrifice and service to country, that this wouldn't give him any pause whatsoever, and treat a political foe differently ... or at least, not specifically attack McCain about his military service.

I'll bet Trump thinks lots of people are suckers and losers, and will say so, not just vets. That's not much of a defense of the man, though, if you think about it.

You're not giving me much to argue about.
So let me say something incendiary.
I do think that draftees who go along with
government, giving up their freedom to
do the bidding of foolish war mongers are
indeed suckers.
(I'm still considering whether they're losers
or not. They have different traits.)

Of course, I'm not advocating that anyone
do anything illegal. Rules, ya know.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's an ad by the Lincoln Project, detailing how American soldiers were executed or died in Germany, Japan, Korea, Vietnan, Afghanistan and other places. It includes the clip of Trump saying (about John McCain), "He wasn't a hero, because he was captured. I prefer people who weren't captured." The ad ends by saying, "No, Donald, you were wrong. The were heroes because they were captured."

I maintain that Trump's attitude here was driven by
McCain being a political foe. This latest accusation
isn't related to gaining political advantage. In fact,
it works against him. So the McCain situation isn't
evidence supporting the Atlantic's claims.

 

[Father Heathen]

That and historically, Patton was quoted/paraphrased that dead soldiers don't win wars by giving their life for their country. You win wars by making the other ******* give his.

It makes me wonder what the left would say today if someone went along those lines?

Not even close to the same thing, and it's pathetic that you would even try.
Is it only "the left" that respect veterans now? Particularly those wounded or fallen?

Get up off your knees, son.

 

[Father Heathen]

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...and anyone who still supports him is doing the same.

 

[Father Heathen]

Still not strengthening the case against him. Great job on being objective.

As the great Joe Biden says: "C'mon, man!"

Trump supporters are the last people who should be giving lectures about being objective.

 

[Harel13]

Trump supporters are the last people who should be giving lectures about being objective.

And again, not strengthening any case against him.

 

[Father Heathen]

My 8 yr. old daughter said that's disgusting.

If only daddy thought so, too.

 

[Revoltingest]

That and historically, Patton was quoted/paraphrased that dead soldiers don't win wars by giving their life for their country. You win wars by making the other ******* give his.

It makes me wonder what the left would say today if someone went along those lines?

I suspect that it would be decried as callous.
And with regard to a non-western country, racist.

Of course, I recognize that your question is digression,
& not about the Trump vs dead vets issue.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Forgive me, but Trump or not, the ending of the ad is ridiculous, in my opinion (as someone who served and still volunteers in helping and motivating fellow IDF soldiers). They were - and are - heroes for committing to serve and serving, not "because they were captured". No deep-voiced narrator will convince me otherwise.

This is really good progress, Harel. The next step is to apply that same rigorous, uncompromising critical thinking power to what our Fleet Commander of Space Force, Donald Trump said - that his political opponent McCain isn’t a hero, and he “likes people who weren’t captured”.

What happens when we apply your standard that “they are heroes for serving” to General Trump, I wonder?

I notice many Trump apologists have extremely sensitive antennae that can pick up the slightest misstatement or exaggeration by Trump’s critics. But those same antennae seem unable to pick up Trump’s frequencies.