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Muhammad's Troubling Marriages to Aisha and Safiyah

I care about my country. Muslims in my country cannot marry young girls before they turn 18
as for other countries...I can't help it. People have free will

People have free will???? How the hell do 6 year old girls have free will to marry genius??? They don't have free will because they are kids - that is the whole flipping point. They are children!!!! And you don't care. You sicko. My God - is anyone actually reading what Moslems and their apologists are saying?????
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
I agree with you
But some Muslims do think she was a child................................
Peace be on you. You are better than them in this understanding. Hadith is not main source in Islam, though it explains. Quran, Sunnah (practice of Holy Prophet pbuh) and then Hadith; Quran being judge of other two.....May God bless you. Ameen.
 
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columbus

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Who knows if Muhammad ever had sex with anyone?

The best evidence, progeny, certainly is not there.

The 7th century was a rough place health wise. Maybe something happened to "'lil Mo ", and conquering the area and establishing a religion in his own name was overcompensation. His following would hardly have mentioned that, even if they knew about it.

Tom
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
This is because Islam's most authentic Hadith's show her age to be 6 at the time of marriage and 8 years 9 months (Islamic lunar calendar) at its consummation and so if this is mainstream Islamic theology then I see no reason for sensitivity around this topic.

Wrong.

men taking child brides was normal in the 7th Century

And the legal marriage age for women in England in the Seventeenth century was 12


See - we are not talking about a normal man being governed by cultural norms but rather, the claim is that he was someone being divinely guided by God himself, a God who was setting up the genesis of the perfect and final religion which was to be born out of his very actions and the exact words that he said.

According to Islam, one should follow what is socially acceptable and ethical if it doesn't go against Islam. So you have no point here

I am very interested to hear from Moslems how these union's are explained to them by Imams and so by extension - how they would explain them to me.


Here are some videos to answer that






 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
Taken from Why Did the Prophet Have So Many Wives?


Stages of the Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon him) Married Life
First, let’s remember that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) led a life supported only by the bare minimum of necessities. His wives were not idly wasting away the hours in a luxurious harem but led a life of labor and sacrifice, while he was mostly busy away from home overseeing his numerous duties as a Prophet. So, obviously, lust was not a factor, as he wasn’t even at home most of the time. Further, most of his marriages occurred at an age when lust is not a major factor in any man’s life:
1. He remained single until age 25.
2. From age 25 to 50 he was faithful to only one wife, Khadijah, who bore all his children except one. She was 15 years older than him, with children from two previous marriages. She was his greatest ally when he received the Call at age 40 until she died when he was 50 years old. He remained in love with her until he died and often talked of his life with her with great nostalgia.
3. Between ages 50 and 52 he remained unmarried and mourning his late beloved wife. He lived alone with his daughters.
4. Between ages 53 and 60 he married all his other wives for many noble reasons detailed below. It’s unimaginable for a man to suddenly turn lustful at this age, especially as he was constantly traveling, with bloodthirsty enemies on his heels.
5. At age 60, Allah revealed to him verse preventing him from marrying any more until he died, which was at age 63. The Qur’an says what means:
*{It is not lawful for you (to marry other) women after this, nor to change them for other wives.}* (Al-Ahzab 33:52)

Reasons for the Prophet’s Marriages
We can categorize all his marriages under two aspects of his personality:
- Muhammad the man who needed a loving wife, children, and a stable home, so he married Khadijah and remained with only her for 20 years until she died.
- Muhammad the Prophet who married the other wives for reasons pertaining to his duty to deliver the Message to the world. Those particular women were carefully selected, not just haphazardly “acquired” for carnal reasons, as suggested. Here are some of the reasons for which Muhammad married:
1. To pass on Islam to the next generations as a practical legacy
Prophet Muhammad is the only prophet without any privacy, and with a meticulously preserved tradition in speech and actions in all minute details of his public and private life. Preserved in the sharp minds of his wives and his Companions, those narrations comprise the “daily life manual” for Muslims to follow until the end of time. The fact that Islam was spread on the shoulders of women and preserved in their hearts is a great honor to the females of this Ummah. The books of authentic Hadith attribute more than 3,000 narrations and Prophetic traditions to his wives alone.

2. To cement the relations of the budding nation
In a tribal society, it was customary to seal treaties through marrying into tribes. Muhammad’s closest Companions later became the four caliphs who led Islam at the critical stage after his death. Two of them were the fathers of his wives `A’ishah (daughter of Abu Bakr) and Hafsa (daughter of `Umar); the other two married his daughters (`Uthman married Ruqayyah and Zaynab in succession, and `Ali married Fatimah).

3. To teach Muslims compassion with women
He taught them to be compassionate not just to the young and beautiful maidens, but more so to the weak and destitute widows, divorcees, orphans, and elderly women. Islam teaches that women are to be respected, protected, and cared for by their men folk. They’re not to be cast out to face a harsh life alone while able men around them just pity them and do nothing to help, or worse, use their weakness to take them as mistresses!

4. To offer a practical role model to Muslims until the end of time
Although many believing women often approached Muhammad offering him themselves in marriage, he politely turned down their offers. Most of his wives after the death of Khadijah were old, devoid of beauty, and previously married, except `A’ishah, who was the only young virgin. He married from other nations and religions; some were the daughters of his worst enemies, and his marriage to one woman won all her people into Islam. Regardless of his neutral feelings towards many of them, he was a model example of equal justice and kindness to them all, and he would never discriminate among them.

Who Were the Prophet’s Wives?
Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) married 12 wives in his life. When he died he had 9 wives. They have a very special status in the hearts of Muslims as the “Mothers of the Believers,” as the Qur’an instructs, and they are the source of a great amount of wisdom which they learned while living close to such a great man. Perhaps you’d like to research a bit to find their beautiful stories, so here are their names: Khadijah bint Khuwaylid, Sawdah bint Zam’ah, `A’ishah bint Abi Bakr, Hafsah bint `Umar ibn Al-Khattab, Zaynab bint Khuzaymah, Umm Salama, Zaynab bint Jahsh, Juwayriah bint Al-Harith, Umm Habibah, Safiyah bint Huyay ibn Akhtab, Maymunah bint Al-Harith, Maria the Copt.

Can We Consider His Marriage to `A’ishah a Case of Child Molestation?
To answer your speculation, let’s continue our objective trip into the past. Obviously, when traveling back in time 1400 years to examine a lifestyle we never witnessed, it is unfair to apply our present day standards, so let’s listen to the experts. Authentic historical records prove that the social traditions of the time and place—regardless of religion—considered Arab females as women as soon as their menstrual cycles began. The custom was to give daughters in marriage at that age. This was practiced by all dwellers in Arabia before Islam: pagans, disbelievers, Jews, and others. It’s a fact that female menstruation in hot climates starts much earlier than in cold climates, so females in Arabia matured as early as 8 or 9; they also aged earlier than other women.

It’s a neglected fact that before she was married to Muhammad, `A’ishah had been engaged to an infidel, Jubair ibn Mus’ab ibn Ady. Her fiancé broke the engagement on the basis of religious difference. So her father, Abu Bakr, agreed to give her hand in marriage to the Prophet.

The Great Wisdom in Selecting `A’ishah in Particular as a Young Wife
`A’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) came from a house famous for learning and memorizing great quantities of knowledge; her father was a live encyclopedia of Arab tribal pedigrees and poetry. She inherited his ability, and in her young, intelligent, receptive mind, she preserved a precious portion of Islam she learned during seven years of marriage, for 47 years after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and she taught thousands of men worldwide their religion as she had learned it firsthand from the Prophet. To our present day, she is considered among the most prominent Islamic scholars, and she holds extremely high esteem in the hearts of all Muslims as such and as “the beloved of the Prophet,” who often mentioned her as the human he loved the most on the face of this earth. With her, he built a model Muslim home for Muslims to strive to imitate forever.

Was Maria the Copt a Slave, a Concubine, or a Wife of the Prophet?
Slavery already existed long before Islam. It was a system whereby a human captured in wars or kidnapped could be sold as a “possession.” That term applied to both sexes, not to women only. In some cultures slaves were considered subhuman and treated brutally. In Europe, for example, Romans threw Christian slaves to the lions while the public cheered; female slaves were thought to have no souls and were tortured mercilessly; slaves lived in degrading conditions; both sexes were forced to offer sexual favors to their masters; and as “possessions” they had no choice, no will, and no rights.

Islam recognized the human rights of slaves and encouraged Muslims to set slaves free. Islam prohibited adultery and homosexuality, and prevented forcing female slaves into sexual acts against their will. Islam encouraged educating them, setting them free, then legally marrying them and giving them their moral and financial rights. The reward for this—as mentioned in Prophetic Hadith—is eternal residence in Paradise.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
Maria (may Allah be pleased with her) was not a concubine; she was a slave owned by Egypt’s Christian governor, who offered her and her sister Serine—among other presents—as a “gift of good will” to the Prophet in reply to his envoys inviting him to Islam. On her way from Egypt to Madinah, she was curious to learn about “her new master” and listened to his Companions talk about him. As a result, she became Muslim before meeting Muhammad. Scholars’ opinions vary of her status afterwards; here is the opinion I support:
One of the prominent Al-Azhar scholars, Sheikh Abdul Majid Subh, states:
“Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), instead of taking concubines, entered into lawful marriages based on reason and wisdom. Maria the Copt was given to him as a present, but rather than taking her as a concubine, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) married her, thus elevating her status by marriage.”

Women’s Rights in Islam Surpass Modern Systems
If women in the Muslim World today don’t have their rights, it is not because Islam didn’t give them rights. Alien traditions have overshadowed the teachings of Islam, either through ignorance or the impact of colonialism. Most of the so-called modern reforms in the status of women appeared after the West abandoned religion for secularism. Those in the West who claim to follow the Judeo-Christian tradition really follow the values of Western liberalism.

In England and America less than fifty years ago, a woman could not buy a house or car without the co-signature of a male “guardian”! In Contrast, Islamic Law guaranteed rights to women over 1400 years ago that were unheard of in the West until the 1900s.

Numerous verses of the Qur’an state that men and women are equal in the site of Allah; the only thing that distinguishes people in His site is their level of God-consciousness.

Islam teaches that a woman is a full person under the law, and is the spiritual equal of a male. Women have the right to own property, to operate a business, and to receive equal pay for equal work. Women are allowed total control of their wealth. They cannot be married against their will, and they are allowed to keep their own name when married. They have the right to inherit property and to have their marriage dissolved in the case of neglect or mistreatment. Islam does not consider woman an “evil temptress,” and thus does not blame woman for Original Sin (a doctrine that Islam rejects). Women in Islam participate in all forms of worship that men participate in.

Prophet Muhammad’s mission stopped many of the horrible practices against women that were present in the society of his time. He actually harnessed the unrestricted polygamy of the Arabs of the time, and put many laws in place to protect the well-being of women. In his Farewell Sermon just weeks before his death, he summarized the teachings of Islam to the believers in a final farewell. His last words were “Be kind to women!”
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
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mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
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mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
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mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
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mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
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DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
Peace to all.
Holy Prophet pbuh came when morals and faith in God were declined to lowest.
Holy Quran records:
[30:42] Corruption has appeared on land and sea because of what men’s hands have wrought, that He may make them taste the fruit of some of their doings, so that they may turn back from evil.



Holy Prophet taught forgotten Unity of God and morals. His life was open to everyone that is why it was said:
[10:17] Say, ‘If Allah had so willed, I should not have recited it to you nor would He have made it known to you. I have indeed lived among you a whole lifetime before this. Will you not then understand?’


He showed morals with his model:
[68:5] And thou dost surely possess high moral excellences.


He (pbuh) was denied, he was told to pray:
[43:90] Therefore, turn aside from them, and say, ‘Peace’; and soon shall they know.
 
Peace be on you. You are better than them in this understanding. Hadith is not main source in Islam, though it explains. Quran, Sunnah (practice of Holy Prophet pbuh) and then Hadith; Quran being judge of other two.....May God bless you. Ameen.

Wow. So Hay85 is better than me in their understanding of Islam because I don't agree with you and they do? What lunacy is this? Hay85 gave no evidence to back up his/her claim that Muhammad didn't abuse a child or that the doctrine of Islam supports child brides - yet by virtue of the fact that they merely 'agree' with you therefore somehow means that they can be presumed to have a great understanding of Islam? Blimey!

What you just did is show how un-enquiring Moslems are and how, as long as what people say about Islam runs in accordance with their views then they are happy. I am embarrassed for you.

As for your arguments - well, you have given no evidence to support your claim that Muhammad didn't rape a little girl nor have you given anything other than your opinion to rebut the claim that the issues of child marriages in the Moslem majority world are a direct result of Islamic theology.

Unlike you, I can point to your best hadith, which explicitly show Aisha to have been a child, and I can also mention the not too insignificant fact that MAINSTREAM Islam views the onset of puberty as being the age of sexual/marriagable consent - this onset starts at a global average age of 10 i.e. when a girl is STILL a CHILD. Unfortunately for you - the koran does not mention Aishas age but Sahih Bukari and Sahih Muslim do - this is deeply problematic for your argument because any other evidence you cite is going to be of significantly less weight than these hadith. So - already we can see how what you are arguing lacks any credibility.

I say again, the effect of Muhammads actions as well as what is explicitly written in the Koran (verse 4:6) and Sahih hadith has resulted in the Islamically accepted age of consent, as deemed correct in Sharia law, as being the start of puberty. That this age is about 10 years old means we can straight away see the troubling effect this is going to have - and this is exactly what we see in the Moslem majority world - disgraceful levels of child brides.

People who think they are clever and cite 'official' laws of Moslem majority countries are doing little more than pleading blissful ignorance to the fact that these countries are generally paying mere lip service to the International communities - it is to appease governing bodies such as the UN. This is because Islamic law sanctions child marriages and much of the time it is Islamic law which prevails - this is what is happening in many of these countries, such as in Afghanistan. See, in Afghanistan, the 'official' age of consent is either 16 or 18 - but we know that Islamic law predominates at the societal level here and so we see astonishing levels of Afghani child brides in spite of what is 'official'. We see the same thing all over Arabia, Pakistan and North Africa.

Verse 4:6 of the koran quite clearly suggests that the age of consent is to be the age of maturity, which is the onset of puberty and this is exactly how the verse has been interpreted and so it is that Sharia law deems this period to be the age which is certifiable for marriage/intercourse. Verse 65:4 of the Koran is somewhat contradictory to this because it makes reference to wives who have been married BEFORE they have started menses - this verse does not condemn such practice but merely mentions it - this therefore can be fairly interpreted by Moslems as Allah having no issue with taking a wife who has not yet started menses. It is right there in your book - the Koran clearly gives the age of consent as being at the start of puberty BUT also does not seem to have a problem with Moslems taking an even younger wife!

Sahih Bukari and Sahih Moslem also discuss the age of consent as being the onset of puberty - note, it does not say the 'completion' of puberty - just the start of it. So, given the claims of Moslems that the Koran is perfect and that there is no other references about the age of consent within the Koran or Hadith means that using Islams best sources conclusively proves that the God of Islam does allow for child brides - which isn't surprising because he let his prophet marry one!
 
Peace be on you. You are better than them in this understanding. Hadith is not main source in Islam, though it explains. Quran, Sunnah (practice of Holy Prophet pbuh) and then Hadith; Quran being judge of other two.....May God bless you. Ameen.


I notice that you haven't tried to explain how Muhammad didn't force Safiyah into marrying him after which he then proceeded to rape her. I maintain that a woman would NEVER willingly marry a man who, on the same day, had just beheaded her father, husband and entire tribe. You seem to think a woman would happily do this - please explain why you think this. If you can't explain it then you agree that Muhammad is far from perfect.
 
Wrong.



And the legal marriage age for women in England in the Seventeenth century was 12




According to Islam, one should follow what is socially acceptable and ethical if it doesn't go against Islam. So you have no point here


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Not wrong. Your very best most authentic Hadith show her age to be 6 when married then just under 9 at its consummation. Her age is not discussed in the Koran therefore any evidence you can provide, which you haven't yet, will be of far less value than that which I have just cited. End of story. Muhammad and Allah were co-conspirators in the rape of a child - that is a fair reflection of the facts.

You keep comparing the law of evolving humans as evidence that sex with children is ok - but in doing so you look increasingly silly. You cannot compare the actions of the divinely guided to that of humans!!!! I repeat - God does not subscribe to human law and the morality of God is timeless - what God sees as right and wrong never changes because the values of God are fixed in time for eternity - I am sure you can accept this fact. God will also never forgo this morality or make allowances for things which are wrong in any circumstance be it 650AD or in 2014 or in 5013. Therefore, because the god of Islam selected a child bride for Muhammad and allowed him to have sex with her when she was a child means we can see quite clearly that the God of Islam does sanction sex with children. If he allowed it in 650AD he will allow it in 2014.

We also know this is true from Islamic scripture because if we look at the Koran verses, 4:6 and 65:4, and Sahih Bukari and Sahih Muslim we see clearly that marriage to children is allowed. Islamic law also allows for child sex because it deems the age of consent to be the onset of puberty - which occurs at about the age of 10/11 but can happen in 8 year olds - i.e. when the girl is still a child.

Regards.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
Chev Chelios

Perhaps you missed the point when I told you that according to Islamic teachings, you have to abide what is socially acceptable in the place you live as long as it is not against Islamic teachings. So yeah ,morality that Allah gave us is timeless, that is why if something in a culture is against Islam you don't have to follow.


The only source of the age of Aisha at her marriage is her own narrations, so whatever age you are coming to conclude, the source of that information would be from Aisha herself. Now if you are going to take her hadith as true and accept that her age was X, than you must also take her other hadiths also. So like you have accepted the hadith of her age, accept her other hadiths and look at them. See how her life was before you come to your ignorant conclusions. One of the things she said that I witness that there is no God except Allah and that Muhammad peace be upon him is his messenger.
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
I care about my country. Muslims in my country cannot marry young girls before they turn 18
as for other countries...I can't help it. People have free will
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Well no, you didn't say you agree with him with regards to Aisha being 15 - just re-read your post to certify that fact.
What??? This makes no sense at all. What the hell are you arguing about?? You are in Italy right - so why the hell are comparing your Italian Non Islamic standards with that of the Islamic world??? Why are you even trying to debate this pal??? You have no idea what you are saying so stay out of this because you are confusing a very important debate that Moslems themselves must answer. Who cares what Italy's age of consent is. It has nothing to do with the topivc at hand.


Yes...it does have to do with the topic. Because nobody will ever prove how old Aisha was when she got married. Who cares, then?
all that really matters is the law.
and Muslims who live in European countries are forced to respect the separation between religion and state and they are forced to respect the state law of those countries: and so they can't even apply their religious beliefs in Europe.
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
Yes...it does have to do with the topic. Because nobody will ever prove how old Aisha was when she got married. Who cares, then?
all that really matters is the law.
and Muslims who live in European countries are forced to respect the separation between religion and state and they are forced to respect the state law of those countries: and so they can't even apply their religious beliefs in Europe.
You are completely wrong
When will be able to increase the number of Muslims of any country in Europeor in America or any other country will eventually
While about you and indigenous people also
And you me and the people of edema when Muslims
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This is not fiction
When the Muslims came to Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Palestine
They said to the people of those countries pay tribute and honor your doctrines
But after having managed to increase their numbers eventually applied
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mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
Yes...it does have to do with the topic. Because nobody will ever prove how old Aisha was when she got married. Who cares, then?
all that really matters is the law.
and Muslims who live in European countries are forced to respect the separation between religion and state and they are forced to respect the state law of those countries: and so they can't even apply their religious beliefs in Europe.
1. a Muslim does not recognize the rule of the non-Muslim
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The concept of State governance and the practice of daily life also means
Therefore, both secular and Islamic radical refuses to give any Office a sovereign to a Christian however missed a little experience and in special periods
2. the concept of dhimmi
That is a concept and teaching means of discrimination and racial segregation
If the Muslims were able to increase their numbers in any country would provide you any dhimmi and become a free non-Moslem under Moslem rule in your home country that is Orthodox Islam
 
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