Murdering vs. Killing

[Rex]

Could someone explain the difference using scenarios and why they think that way.

i.e.

A man shoots a man in a store

A man shoots a man out of revenge

A man shoots a man out of protection

A man shoots a man in a war

 

[jewscout]

i think murder is the killing of an innocent person

where as killing is taking the life of a person through self defense or during times of war...

honestly though it's often too close to call between the two, it's all a matter of personal perspectives i suppose.

 

[Rex]

i think murder is the killing of an innocent person

where as killing is taking the life of a person through self defense or during times of war...

honestly though it's often too close to call between the two, it's all a matter of personal perspectives i suppose.

Well why would a "time of war" be ok to kill another innocent person?

I'm failing to see the logic behind this..

 

[Jaymes]

Killing is taking life in self-defense. Murder is killing for any other reason.

Examples of killing would be shooting someone who's coming at you with a knife or some other lethal intent. Murder would be shooting someone out of revenge, anger and the like.

 

[jewscout]

Well why would a "time of war" be ok to kill another innocent person?

I'm failing to see the logic behind this..

because, at least from a biblical sense (as far as i know), it is not considered murder. Maybe that's because you're in a kill or be killed situation just like self defense.

 

[Rex]

because, at least from a biblical sense (as far as i know), it is not considered murder. Maybe that's because you're in a kill or be killed situation just like self defense.

Yes but kill or be killed is not self defense b/c your putting yourself in that situation already knowing the risks. Your more or less trying to murder before getting murdered. 2 men fighting for what they believe is right is not something to kill one another over, and not something to be deemed "ok" , and without punishment. IMO

 

[jewscout]

Yes but kill or be killed is not self defense b/c your putting yourself in that situation already knowing the risks. Your more or less trying to murder before getting murdered. 2 men fighting for what they believe is right is not something to kill one another over, and not something to be deemed "ok" , and without punishment. IMO

so would you have not told poland to fight in 1939?

 

[Rex]

so would you have not told poland to fight in 1939?

War is a temporary solution to a problem. It doesn't go away.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

To kill is to render lifeless.
To murder is to kill illegally.

 

[jewscout]

War is a temporary solution to a problem. It doesn't go away.

yes, i do agree, but would you still tell the polish not to fight? Or the Russians, or the French, or the British.

would you insist that the Chinese should try to use diplomacy and peaceful measures against the Japanese after the Rape of Nanjing in 1937?

i'm not saying war's great but i wouldn't classify soldiers fighting in these situations as murders.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

War is a temporary solution to a problem. It doesn't go away.

I thought the war between the Franks and the Visigoths was pretty much over.

 

[Rex]

I thought the war between the Franks and the Visigoths was pretty much over.

The war may be over but the underlying problem will never be "over".

 

[Rex]

yes, i do agree, but would you still tell the polish not to fight? Or the Russians, or the French, or the British.

would you insist that the Chinese should try to use diplomacy and peaceful measures against the Japanese after the Rape of Nanjing in 1937?

i'm not saying war's great but i wouldn't classify soldiers fighting in these situations as murders.

Well it still doesn't seem ok to kill/murder others b/c of what you believe is right.

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

Well, a lot of killing is based on what you believe is right. Say you get a chance to kill Bin-Laden, and end a great threat to all people in this world. It is the right thing to do, you will save a large amount of lives he could have ended in an attack. Would you kill him, or dont take the shot because you dont think its right? kill him, NO BRAINER.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The war may be over but the underlying problem will never be "over".

To what underlying problem are you referring?

 

[Rex]

To what underlying problem are you referring?

The problem between the 2 involved parties. You think they are ALL "over" it?

 

[robtex]

Deut I may be misunderstanding Rex but I think what he is saying is that

1) the war didn't solve the original problems only created a different way to address them. the origninal issues which were not negociated are not resolved only one group has physically overpowered the other and

2) the physical conflict has opened a whole new can of worms and what was a problem is not a large one in context of the emotions involved because of the death and destruction.

the underlying problem is whatever was not negociated but instead fought over.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Deut I may be misunderstanding Rex but I think what he is saying is that

1) the war didn't solve the original problems only created a different way to address them. the origninal issues which were not negociated are not resolved only one group has physically overpowered the other and

2) the physical conflict has opened a whole new can of worms and what was a problem is not a large one in context of the emotions involved because of the death and destruction.

the underlying problem is whatever was not negociated but instead fought over.

That impressed me as politically correct and entirely inane.

 

[jewscout]

Well it still doesn't seem ok to kill/murder others b/c of what you believe is right.

yeah beliefs like, you know, defending your home against a hostile enemy and conquering army

we're not talking about opposing ideals duking it out, we're talking about nations defending themselves against a conquering power.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

How many would have been saved if the world had come to the defense of the Warsaw Rebellion?