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Muslim family kicked off United Airlines flight for ‘how they looked’

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
But frankly, it is not like they were really kicked out for being Muslims. It is still a possibility tho.
If people got kicked off planes for looking "Muslim", every plane leaving Detroit would see a mass exodus.
But I've never see anyone kicked off a plane
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Before taking off!!! I mean before taking off, man!

:facepalm:
I know....I know...

Regarding this flight, I'll wager that merely being Muslim looking would get people kicked off a plane.
Chicago is a major population center for Iranian expats.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
I know....I know...

Regarding this flight, I'll wager that merely being Muslim looking would get people kicked off a plane.
Chicago is a major population center for Iranian expats.

Well, not all flight attendant/pilots are bigots/racists to kick off those who they have phobia or hate against.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, not all flight attendant/pilots are bigots/racists to kick off those who they have phobia or hate against.
One thing many people don't know is that airplane staff can do just about anything they want in the name of "safety".
Since they act with impunity, there's a culture of...."Don't do anything to annoy me, or I'll boot you off the plane!".
Those of us who tend towards paranoia know to avoid being the nail which sticks up.
(They tend to attract hammers.)
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
One thing many people don't know is that airplane staff can do just about anything they want in the name of "safety".
Since they act with impunity, there's a culture of...."Don't do anything to annoy me, or I'll boot you off the plane!".
Those of us who tend towards paranoia know to avoid being the nail which sticks up.
(They tend to attract hammers.)

Which also includes abusing or misusing their authority in the name of safety.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Well, the flight attendants or the airlines won't just tell why they did it if it truly is about being Muslims.
True, but why them and not the thousand other flying Muslims? With three small children they would be low any suspicion list (as opposed to two young men with Arabic names and appearance for example). Something doesn't fit with this story. It smells like the media looking for a story that gets attention to me at this point.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
True, but why them and not the thousand other flying Muslims? With three small children they would be low any suspicion list (as opposed to two young men with Arabic names and appearance for example). Something doesn't fit with this story. It smells like the media looking for a story that gets attention to me at this point.

Can't pen point it, but I do remember reading about some other similar stories to this one.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
True, but why them and not the thousand other flying Muslims? With three small children they would be low any suspicion list (as opposed to two young men with Arabic names and appearance for example). Something doesn't fit with this story. It smells like the media looking for a story that gets attention to me at this point.

I did a quick search and found those:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/palestinia...being-called-terrorists-by-passengers-1536245
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/18/us/muslims-sikh-sue-airline/
http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/08/musli...ike-the-way-they-were-staring-at-her-5740788/
 

FTNZ

Agnostic Atheist Ex-Christian
A family with children would never be positioned on an emergency exit row. That scenario would have been changed pronto. So, I'm sure that's not it.
I don't know what the rules are, but whenever I've seen the discussion between the attendant and the passenger, it only relates to the person sitting by the window, not the others in the row. In any case, I gave a couple of examples of the possible reason - we simply don't know what happened, but we do know that a pilot has the right to order someone removed if they are a safety risk because of their behaviour, and we also know that there is no incentive for an airline to misuse this power when other passengers are witnesses and may go to the media alleging religious discrimination. I think it's better when we deal with facts, rather than ideologically-motivated speculation.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
These ladies wear those scarves to protect from the cold and they look like blankets. Still tho, Muslim women wearing headscarves are easily distinguished in a community with non Muslims around.
Maybe that was a bad picture, but headscarfs were worn all year round and still are worn in some parts:
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When I see Muslim women, which I saw around 50 today spending the day in a place popular with immigrants, I don't notice how their headscarf was different.

In another thread there was confusion where Roma were confused for Muslims, because some of them also wear headscarfs.

I did! Almost the whole educated world now knows what a Muslim woman in a head scarf looks like. The father and the children where with here which easily give the impression they were a family.
There is still some confusion. Not everyone who wears a scarf is a Muslim and not all Muslims, especially younger women, wear them where I live.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
"A United Airlines pilot asked a Muslim family of five to leave a plane before it took off, citing "safety" issues."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ines-flight-for-how-they-looked-a6964471.html

Okay, gotta make sure I shave my beard before boarding in these airlines. That's me Smart Guy commenting on it, by the way. It is not part of the article.

Where is United Airlines from? USA or UK?
"the family was removed from the plane because of concerns about their child’s safety seat, which did not comply with federal safety regulations, and that they were put on a later flight"

So what is the issue? Are Muslims the new African-Americans? Poor poor effin' Me, clearly other Arab looking people weren't removed, clearly Arab looking people are not being removed in general from planes, trains, or any other public transportation. This is a ever growing problem that this country has had to deal with wince its inception.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
"A United Airlines pilot asked a Muslim family of five to leave a plane before it took off, citing "safety" issues."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ines-flight-for-how-they-looked-a6964471.html

Okay, gotta make sure I shave my beard before boarding in these airlines. That's me Smart Guy commenting on it, by the way. It is not part of the article.

Where is United Airlines from? USA or UK?
Did you actually read the article and maybe just have low reading comprehension??? Nothing was said about their appearance. They had a non-compliant child restraint.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
There is still some confusion. Not everyone who wears a scarf is a Muslim and not all Muslims, especially younger women, wear them where I live.

I agree. There is a miscommunication from my side. These problems are not world wide, they are around USA and the UK. Even Muslim countries like Indonesia, Turkey, Egypt, etc. have so many Muslim without it, which is similar to your case.

Because where you live there are not that much Muslim problems so Islamic headscarves are still not taken as a symbol of Islam, along with the tradition you mentioned. In USA or the UK, you will see that it is known so, and women of all ages wearing a headscarf covering the hair and the neck well, with modest and protective cloths, are most likely Muslims. Yes, I never said always, but an implication is there.

By the way, by "well educated people" I wanted to say those well aware of the Muslim case around the parts of the world with Muslim problems. I apologize.
 
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Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
"the family was removed from the plane because of concerns about their child’s safety seat, which did not comply with federal safety regulations, and that they were put on a later flight"

So what is the issue? Are Muslims the new African-Americans? Poor poor effin' Me, clearly other Arab looking people weren't removed, clearly Arab looking people are not being removed in general from planes, trains, or any other public transportation. This is a ever growing problem that this country has had to deal with wince its inception.

Did you actually read the article and maybe just have low reading comprehension??? Nothing was said about their appearance. They had a non-compliant child restraint.

Are you guys even thinking straight? The title of the article clearly says "for how they looked". All I did was reporting the article. You have a problem with it, address it to the article instead of blowing off steam at me because of some emotions and intentions you may possibly hold. Like I said before, which you ignored due to maybe low reading comprehension, with more information things would be clear:
Safety matters are to be looked at way before the flight initiation. I guess there are things we can do too. Example: if someone can check the flight number and see if there are other available vacant seats, then they should have just given different seats instead.
 
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