Muslim opinions of Israel

[Mohsen]

These are holy wars because they are Jihads, which is a "holy war"...and Allah's people who pray to him five times a day and fast are defeated, while the more secular powers are given victory.

It just doesn't seem like Allah is on your side when he refuses to lift a finger to help his followers

You don't study do you?

Why did God let Christians lose the wars? Or Jews lose wars? In history ?

You see popeadope, when the table turns and the questions are asked of the people of scripture, the answer is always the same !!! The funny thing here is that you cannot see it!

My advice? Go study the questions you are asking - evidently you don't take answers from people who do not reflect your uneducated belief system which is, of course, very personally invested by you - albeit unjustified as that is.

Peace

 

[LuisDantas]

Israel isn't an holy place for Muslims - we can fulfil the rights and obligations of Islam without Israel, al quds, etc

We have Mecca and Medina for our pilgrimage and so your question doesn't really prove or disapprove anything. In other words, the question you ask, is not a good one. Consider revising.

Peace

I thought Jerusalem (specifically the Al Aqsa Mosque ) had religious significance for Muslims, albeit not as much as Makkah and Medina?

 

[Mohsen]

Why?

Ask a Rabbi! He will give you the same answer as I do - in fact go search Rabbi Tovia Singer - he's already answered it!

Peace

 

[Mohsen]

I thought Jerusalem (specifically the Al Aqsa Mosque ) had religious significance for Muslims, albeit not as much as Makkah and Medina?

Not in terms of fulfilling any sort of pilgrimage - it's an holy site, sure, but hardly integral to a Muslims obligations. Which is why we have Mecca !!! Where the pilgrims go. Tourists go to al aqsa in Jerusalem !!! Medina is not required for pilgrimage!

 

[LuisDantas]

Allah, the creator of Jesus - yes! The question you need to ask is "why?"

And that's when things get very interesting, for you.

Peace

How typical do you estimate it is for Muslims to accept those military losses as prophecy fulfillment as opposed to, for instance, a serious mistake of its leaders?

Would 10% of all Muslims perhaps be inclined to consider that it might not be prophecy fulfillment? More than that? Fewer? Does it make them less devout or less Muslim if they do?

 

[Mohsen]

How typical do you estimate it is for Muslims to accept those military losses as prophecy fulfillment as opposed to, for instance, a serious mistake of its leaders?

Would 10% of all Muslims perhaps be inclined to consider that it might not be prophecy fulfillment? More than that? Fewer? Does it make them less devout or less Muslim if they do?

No.

I can't decide who is devout and who isn't - that is for God alone to decide, my friend!

Peace

 

[LuisDantas]

And you would rather not venture to guess a percentage, then?

 

[Mohsen]

And you would rather not venture to guess a percentage, then?

I'd rather not. Who knows what an heart keeps secret except for God?

I know my place!

Peace

 

[Spiderman]

You don't study do you?

Why did God let Christians lose the wars? Or Jews lose wars? In history ?

You see popeadope, when the table turns and the questions are asked of the people of scripture, the answer is always the same !!! The funny thing here is that you cannot see it!

My advice? Go study the questions you are asking - evidently you don't take answers from people who do not reflect your uneducated belief system which is, of course, very personally invested by you - albeit unjustified as that is.

Peace

No, but you believe Islam is the true faith, so I'm asking your opinion, and you refuse to answer the question. You could just say, "I don't know".

I've asked the same question to Christians...they always say something like "God gives man free will".

That doesn't answer anything. God used to give his followers victory over their enemies and raise up prophets to work mighty signs and wonders. Why is God refusing to do so today? You could just say"I don't know". I was simply asking your opinion. I've studied various answers.

Yes, some say it is fulfilling prophecy. That doesn't explain the simple fact that God wants there to be a lot of evil, drama, confusion, heartbreak, and violence in our world. I'm simply asking your opinion about why God wants it. I've studied the answers and there are holes in the explanations. Kindly give me yours .....or not....

 

[LuisDantas]

I'd rather not. Who knows what an heart keeps secret except for God?

I know my place!

Peace

I appreciate the honesty. All the same, I hope you understand that there is what I perceive as a legitimate interest in gauging that number.

 

[Shia Islam]

@FearGod @Shia Islam @Mohsen @Muslim-UK @MohammadPali
maybe one of these has an opinion?

Muslims looks at Israel as an occupation force that has occupied an independent Muslim country called Palestine..

They normally differentiate between Zionism and Judaism as a religion..

However, it seems that for many Muslims, their view about Israel is related to their view about the Jews..

The view of many Muslims about the Jews seems to be similar to the view portrayed in the bible..

You will find that in the bible the following verse is repeated again and again:

“Again the Israelites did evil in the eyes of the Lord…”

Also the Muslim prophesies about Israel is that it is doomed face its destruction…

However, the Muslim countries in general are ruled by dictators, who seem to have hidden good relations with Israel, the Muslims are divided, and busy with their internal fights, and the terrorists in the Muslim countries who are generally Sunni Salafi/Wahhabi groups, are strangely not targeting Israel!

So in the current era, Israel does not seem to face a real Islamic threat.

 

[Spiderman]

Muslims looks at Israel as an occupation force that has occupied an independent Muslim country called Palestine..

They normally differentiate between Zionism and Judaism as a religion..

However, it seems that for many Muslims, their view about Israel is related to their view about the Jews..

The view of many Muslims about the Jews seems to be similar to the view portrayed in the bible..

You will find that in the bible the following verse is repeated again and again:

“Again the Israelites did evil in the eyes of the Lord…”

Also the Muslim prophesies about Israel is that it is doomed face its destruction…

However, the Muslim countries in general are ruled by dictators, who seem to have hidden good relations with Israel, the Muslims are divided, and busy with their internal fights, and the terrorists in the Muslim countries who are generally Sunni Salafi/Wahhabi groups, are strangely not targeting Israel!

So in the current era, Israel does not seem to face a real Islamic threat.

Thanks. That was good information to know

 

[columbus]

However, the Muslim countries in general are ruled by dictators, who seem to have hidden good relations with Israel,

I honestly don't believe that the dictators have a good relationship with Israel. It's that Israel makes a good topic and issue to keep their people distracted while the government gets away with evil things.
The USA government uses other topics and issues for the same purposes.
Tom

 

[Debater Slayer]

Most of the time when I see Arabs and/or Muslims criticize Israel as if it were the entire cause of the Arab world's problems, this comes to mind:

Spoiler: Large image

 

[Spiderman]

You don't study do you?

Why did God let Christians lose the wars? Or Jews lose wars? In history ?

You see popeadope, when the table turns and the questions are asked of the people of scripture, the answer is always the same !!! The funny thing here is that you cannot see it!

My advice? Go study the questions you are asking - evidently you don't take answers from people who do not reflect your uneducated belief system which is, of course, very personally invested by you - albeit unjustified as that is.

Peace

Yes I study... I'm asking you and you refuse to answer...I don't want someone else's answer...how about yours.

By the way, I think Muhammad was a great guy. I object to him cutting off heads and hands and marrying a six year old (which would make him a registered sex offender and pedophile in contemporary America), but other than that he was a great devout guy who meant well, despite making serious mistakes.

Anyway, Muhammad made serious mistakes, he was human after all...but that isn't relevant. What is relevant would be for you to answer my question.

I'm waiting..,...........,.....

 

[Mohsen]

Yes I study... I'm asking you and you refuse to answer...I don't want someone else's answer...how about yours.

By the way, I think Muhammad was a great guy. I object to him cutting off heads and hands and marrying a six year old (which would make him a registered sex offender and pedophile in contemporary America), but other than that he was a great devout guy who meant well, despite making serious mistakes.

Anyway, Muhammad made serious mistakes, he was human after all...but that isn't relevant. What is relevant would be for you to answer my question.

I'm waiting..,...........,.....

Are you asking about Israel or the prophet muhammad pbuh? This thread says Israel and your bait n switch says otherwise !!!!

Peace

 

[DavidFirth]

The two religions directly contradict. Israelis believe that the promise of the holy land came through Isaac like the scriptures say. If this is so, then the land of Israel belongs to them.

Muslims believe the promises God made to Abraham come through Ishmael. If this is so, then the land of Israel belongs to them.

They both can't be right.

 

[Mohsen]

The two religions directly contradict. Israelis believe that the promise of the holy land came through Isaac like the scriptures say. If this is so, then the land of Israel belongs to them.

Muslims believe the promises God made to Abraham come through Ishmael. If this is so, then the land of Israel belongs to them.

They both can't be right.

Well, you can definitely be wrong.

Muslims don't claim that the land of Jerusalem belongs to Arabs, ie the Children of Ishmael pbuh. And they never have. They believe the land was a dwelling place for the Children of Israel (Jacob) pbuh for a time. Not all time. If you believe otherwise, bring your proof!

The problem with your post is not just the ignorance of this fact, but the additional fact that you are mixing politically nuanced narratives with religiously historical ones. They are both independent of each other.

Peace

 

[DavidFirth]

Well, you can definitely be wrong.

Muslims don't claim that the land of Jerusalem belongs to Arabs, ie the Children of Ishmael pbuh. And they never have. They believe the land was a dwelling place for the Children of Israel (Jacob) pbuh for a time. Not all time. If you believe otherwise, bring your proof!

The problem with your post is not just the ignorance of this fact, but the additional fact that you are mixing politically nuanced narratives with religiously historical ones. They are both independent of each other.

Peace

Opinion noted.

 

[Spiderman]

Are you asking about Israel or the prophet muhammad pbuh? This thread says Israel and your bait n switch says otherwise !!!!

Peace

Well, I noticed that you are quick to insult people and very impatient with their faults , so I was pointing out that your prophet also had many faults, therefore you should be patient with the shortcomings of others.

You know what my question was, it's just you insisted I study someone else's answer. I was wanting your answer, not theirs.

I'll let it go because apparently you don't have an answer. That's okay...