Muslim refugee riots

[groves200]

There's been a lot recently, I'm not sure if I understand them and think their somewhat reasonable in their situation or if it's one of these "their muslims, it always happens" if you know what I mean?

But instead of bashing them, I figured perhaps if people would respect their religion and not rip pages from the Quran and not drop bombs on their country, would this whole situation be avoided? I mean, were made to believe that they are more violent than other religions, that their prone to riots and that they want to take over the world but at the same time it somehow appears that we somehow provoke it? For example, the recent riot in germany was because some german guy ripped up the pages from the Quran, the Muslims went crazy about it and smashed up everything.. I cant see any other religion acting this way BUUUUUT if that didn't happen, there would have been no riot.. who's the bad guy? the one for ripping the pages or the people for rioting over something we western people think is minor plus they did it in a country that is giving them asylum? I'm trying to see it on both sides and not blame one person..

I have googled is islam a violent religion, get's me a lot of Mixed results, but I suppose i'd get similar results if I googled any other religion.

If it's just media BS then why are the media concentrating on Muslims and no one else?

And sorry if I explain things so bad, I'm german so it's difficult for me to write what im trying to say :/

 

[Godobeyer]

There's been a lot recently, I'm not sure if I understand them and think their somewhat reasonable in their situation or if it's one of these "their muslims, it always happens" if you know what I mean?

But instead of bashing them, I figured perhaps if people would respect their religion and not rip pages from the Quran and not drop bombs on their country, would this whole situation be avoided? I mean, were made to believe that they are more violent than other religions, that their prone to riots and that they want to take over the world but at the same time it somehow appears that we somehow provoke it? For example, the recent riot in germany was because some german guy ripped up the pages from the Quran, the Muslims went crazy about it and smashed up everything.. I cant see any other religion acting this way BUUUUUT if that didn't happen, there would have been no riot.. who's the bad guy? the one for ripping the pages or the people for rioting over something we western people think is minor plus they did it in a country that is giving them asylum? I'm trying to see it on both sides and not blame one person..

I have googled is islam a violent religion, get's me a lot of Mixed results, but I suppose i'd get similar results if I googled any other religion.

If it's just media BS then why are the media concentrating on Muslims and no one else?

And sorry if I explain things so bad, I'm german so it's difficult for me to write what im trying to say :/

Hi i will give two videos help you to understand more

Muslims mocking ISIS

 

[idea]

Look at this stuff -
https://shariaunveiled.wordpress.co...hild-from-their-car-and-beat-them-both-video/

http://www.christianpost.com/news/i...vert-or-be-killed-145814/#uHGSAiqXej4QcEOU.01

http://dailycallernewsfoundation.or...fficers-for-criticizing-afghans-rape-of-boys/

http://eaglerising.com/24022/terrif...e-of-the-muslim-refugees/#HXBOv8G6vAdOfPQA.01

Freedom of religion is a precious thing. It is very clear who is in the wrong here.

You will not get similar results from googling other religions. To this American, it looks like the Germans still feel bad about the holocaust, are trying to redeem themselves in the world's eyes by taking in refugees, only they have decided to try and help the wrong group of people.

I hope we don't all feel as sorry for the Germans, as we do for the Jews, by the end of this thing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The Muslims I have known, including ones from the Middle East, have not been violent.

You will not get similar results from googling other religions.

I can bring up a list on modern-day Christian terrorist groups, if you like.
http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/terrorism-other-religions.html
As for political violence, people of Christian heritage in the twentieth century polished off tens of millions of people in the two world wars and colonial repression.
As for Christianity, the Lord’s Resistance Army in Uganda initiated hostilities that displaced two million people. Although it is an African cult, it is Christian in origin and the result of Western Christian missionaries preaching in Africa.
It takes a peculiar sort of blindness to see Christians of European heritage as “nice” and Muslims and inherently violent, given the twentieth century death toll
Terrorism is a tactic of extremists within each religion, and within secular religions of Marxism or nationalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karantina_massacre
Karantina was overrun by militias of the right-wing and mostly Christian Lebanese Front, resulting in the deaths of approximately 1,000-1,500 people, mostly Muslims.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Lightning
Eastern Lightning ([URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Chinese_characters']Chinese: 东方闪电; pinyin: Dōngfāng Shǎndiàn) is a millennial Chinese Christian terrorist organization[/URL]
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788
"Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says.
I don't know why the underlines were inserted, but anyways, Christianity is still going rather strong with the whole terrorism thing.

 

[ak.yonathan]

I've been wondering about the exact same thing: why the media focuses on Islam exclusively. It's as if there's a conspiracy and certain parties want North America along with Europe to completely reject Islam. If that's the case than I hope they fail. Islam shouldn't be restricted only to certain demographics. Everyone has the right to embrace Islam. I can't prove any of this however.

 

[MARCELLO]

Because it is easier to accuse muslims for the evil things,though I know that they are innocent, still it is easier to put the blame on them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I've been wondering about the exact same thing: why the media focuses on Islam exclusively.

There's really only a few major media conglomerates, and these few own most of the different "brands" out there. From those larger ones, many of the smaller ones resonate the "echo effect," in which they repeat what the big ones are saying. And they're all looking for ratings to make money. People are pretty much dead set that "no true Christian" would do some horrible act, but they are certain it's a part of Islam when Muslims do it.

 

[ak.yonathan]

There's really only a few major media conglomerates, and these few own most of the different "brands" out there. From those larger ones, many of the smaller ones resonate the "echo effect," in which they repeat what the big ones are saying. And they're all looking for ratings to make money. People are pretty much dead set that "no true Christian" would do some horrible act, but they are certain it's a part of Islam when Muslims do it.

I think that still leaves some questions unanswered, such as why would people have that kind of mindset when they should be able to think rationally and why is it that only in the 'Western' countries the media does this. Also, it is clear that Islamophobia goes against cherished American values, yet it is still there.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think that still leaves some questions unanswered, such as why would people have that kind of mindset when they should be able to think rationally and why is it that only in the 'Western' countries the media does this. Also, it is clear that Islamophobia goes against cherished American values, yet it is still there.

It's partly because of the long-history of xenophobia that humans have showed towards "foreign" ideas and peoples, and today it's combined with a reinforcement from the media in a way that no other age has known. It's also poor logical thinking, as society will look at someone like Breivik Anders, and rather than focusing on his Christian faith they will focus on his xenophobic messages, they will make excuses of ulterior motives, and ultimately and illogically dismiss him as "no true Christian" while at the same time look at the Tsarmaev brothers and declare them typical examples of Islam while completely ignoring and overlooking the fact they have Muslim neighbors who were equally appalled, upset, and angered by the attacks.
In many ways, it parallels the same anti-communism sentiments in America, even though most have never picked up a single piece of communist literature, they don't actually know what people like Marx and Engels stood for, but yet they look at things like Stalinist Russia, and being as uneducated about the subject as they are, declare that to be a prime example of communism (most do not even realize that Marxism itself is a stateless form of communism, and both Marx and Engels wrote some rather scathing critiques of the state).

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It's partly because of the long-history of xenophobia that humans have showed towards "foreign" ideas and peoples, and today it's combined with a reinforcement from the media in a way that no other age has known. It's also poor logical thinking, as society will look at someone like Breivik Anders, and rather than focusing on his Christian faith they will focus on his xenophobic messages, they will make excuses of ulterior motives, and ultimately and illogically dismiss him as "no true Christian" while at the same time look at the Tsarmaev brothers and declare them typical examples of Islam while completely ignoring and overlooking the fact they have Muslim neighbors who were equally appalled, upset, and angered by the attacks.
In many ways, it parallels the same anti-communism sentiments in America, even though most have never picked up a single piece of communist literature, they don't actually know what people like Marx and Engels stood for, but yet they look at things like Stalinist Russia, and being as uneducated about the subject as they are, declare that to be a prime example of communism (most do not even realize that Marxism itself is a stateless form of communism, and both Marx and Engels wrote some rather scathing critiques of the state).

Anders Breivik isn't a Christian. He said himself he really wasn't. I recall that it was also exposed that he did it to make the far-right look bad. He's just a psychopath.

 

[Akivah]

But instead of bashing them, I figured perhaps if people would respect their religion and not rip pages from the Quran and not drop bombs on their country, would this whole situation be avoided? I mean, were made to believe that they are more violent than other religions, that their prone to riots and that they want to take over the world but at the same time it somehow appears that we somehow provoke it? For example, the recent riot in germany was because some german guy ripped up the pages from the Quran, the Muslims went crazy about it and smashed up everything.. I cant see any other religion acting this way BUUUUUT if that didn't happen, there would have been no riot.. who's the bad guy? the one for ripping the pages or the people for rioting over something we western people think is minor plus they did it in a country that is giving them asylum? I'm trying to see it on both sides and not blame one person..

You say "we provoked them" , yet in the very next sentence say "some german guy ripped out some pages". Are you saying that it is reasonable for the actions of one random person to set off an entire religion?

 

[idea]

The Muslims I have known, including ones from the Middle East, have not been violent.

I can bring up a list on modern-day Christian terrorist groups, if you like.
http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/terrorism-other-religions.html

I started reading your article, and discovered it filled with lies within the first sentence:
"Murder rates in most of the Muslim world are very low compared to the United States" - There are many more murders in the Muslim world than in the states. Some religious groups do not call terrorist crimes murder, but I consider people killed due to terrorism to be murder.

As for political violence, people of Christian heritage in the twentieth century polished off tens of millions of people in the two world wars and colonial repression.

Actually, it is the atheist-communist regimes who are responsible for the highest death tolls. - link

[quote[ As for Christianity, the Lord’s Resistance Army in Uganda initiated hostilities that displaced two million people. Although it is an African cult, it is Christian in origin and the result of Western Christian missionaries preaching in Africa.[/quote]

As you say, this is NOT a Christian group, it is a cult.

It takes a peculiar sort of blindness to see Christians of European heritage as “nice” and Muslims and inherently violent, given the twentieth century death toll
Terrorism is a tactic of extremists within each religion, and within secular religions of Marxism or nationalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karantina_massacre
Karantina was overrun by militias of the right-wing and mostly Christian Lebanese Front, resulting in the deaths of approximately 1,000-1,500 people, mostly Muslims.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Lightning
Eastern Lightning (Chinese: 东方闪电; pinyin: Dōngfāng Shǎndiàn) is a millennial Chinese Christian terrorist organization
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788
"Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says.
I don't know why the underlines were inserted, but anyways, Christianity is still going rather strong with the whole terrorism thing.

The vast majority of Christians live in progressive, wealthy, healthy, happy nations -

The vast majority of Muslim countries are places where women are oppressed, poverty is high, the standards of living are low etc.

I have traveled to a few Muslim nations. I have also been in Israel. Walk into a Jewish neighborhood, and you are surrounded by pleasant buildings, clean streets, educated people etc.... Walk into the Muslim part of town and there is litter on the streets, dilapidated buildings etc. - it's a Ghetto. Sorry, but it's not a ghetto because people bombed them, it's a ghetto because they made it into one.

Sorry, I have been there, I have seen it. A Muslim once pointed a machine gun at me for wearing shorts in the summer (I am a girl), and because he thought I was one of those "evil Americans"... (I am an America, but we were able to convince him we were actually from the "Banana Republic" - because one of us had a banana republic t-shirt on - true story)

I have known quite a few Muslims - went to school with them, now I teach a few of them - I agree that they are not all "terrorists", but I would also not want to invite them into my country. America faught it's Civil War - all countries need to fight their own internal wars, take care of their own problems, not run away from their problems. The solution to all of this is for good people to stay in their own countries, and fight their own civil wars until they can earn their own peace.

 

[idea]

Because it is easier to accuse muslims for the evil things,though I know that they are innocent, still it is easier to put the blame on them.

Muslims are actually doing evil things!! They make videos of themselves beheading non-muslims, they oppress women horribly - this is the truth!

 

[MARCELLO]

Muslims are actually doing evil things!! They make videos of themselves beheading non-muslims, they oppress women horribly - this is the truth!

They are maniac muslims, like the maniac Breivik of Nord. Here comes the muslim holiday,my muslim friends say they cannot stand to see sheep's necks cut with a knife but that's what their god obliged them to do so far.

By the way, those maniacs mostly behead muslims,not non-muslims

 

[idea]

They are maniac muslims, like the maniac Breivik of Nord. Here comes the muslim holiday,my muslim friends say they cannot stand to see sheep's necks cut with a knife but that's what their god obliged them to do so far.

By the way, those maniacs mostly behead muslims,not non-muslims

Yes, they kill one-another, they kill others - this is why there are refugees trying to escape Muslim countries. The point is, there is real evil going on. Please do not pretend that Muslims are innocent of these crimes.

 

[MARCELLO]

Yes, they kill one-another, they kill others - this is why there are refugees trying to escape Muslim countries. The point is, there is real evil going on. Please do not pretend that Muslims are innocent of these crimes.

I am sorry but I have to'' pretend'' . I live and work in east africa where majority is conservative muslim. There is simply no problem of my being non muslim here.They even accept my drinking in public in ramadan.

And yes,muslims are innocents.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As you say, this is NOT a Christian group, it is a cult.

So because they do something you don't like, they aren't Christian, but when Muslims do something you don't like it is an accurate depiction of Islam as a whole and all Muslims?
You do see the problem with such logic, don't you?