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Muslims brotherhood to put Israel-Egypt peace pact to referendum
- Thread starter Shermana
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painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
quite a difference but certainly not zero... my point stands, there is no such thing as a completely secure border.
Unless you have a moon colony that never receives outside contact.
wa:do
Sajdah
Al-Aqsa Is In My Heart.
You must be kidding, or just a little confused.....Why would EGYPT secure the borders of "Israel"??? Don't you have enough soldiers to do this job, ah I know they can not do it, they can just go crazy behind Egyptian soldiers and shoot them even if it was a clear violation of Egypt's sovereignty, but why would they care about it? There is a peace treaty, so everything is okay!!!
You know this type of arrogance drives many Egyptians to cancel this cold "peace treaty"...
I'm sure that Egypt's southern borders with Sudan, and western borders with Libya are quite secure....quite a difference but certainly not zero... my point stands, there is no such thing as a completely secure border.
Unless you have a moon colony that never receives outside contact.
wa:do
Sajdah
Al-Aqsa Is In My Heart.
Hi England,
I'm glad you didn't quote Sayid Qutb this time!
No need to,i think Imam Al Banna says it all
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
IF it is to be a referendum all Egyptians, I don't see a problem with it.
If only the brotherhood could vote, it would be meaningless.
Egypt is a sovereign country and is able to decide these things for itself.
Other countries are not involved in the decision.
Any more than Israel ever asks permission of Egypt to pass legislation.
If only the brotherhood could vote, it would be meaningless.
Egypt is a sovereign country and is able to decide these things for itself.
Other countries are not involved in the decision.
Any more than Israel ever asks permission of Egypt to pass legislation.
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Flankerl
Well-Known Member
I always thought that borders are shared. Now i realise that its a one sided affair.
Arent you afraid of evil juice sneaking into your country stealing your babies? You should secure your borders.
But hey if a soldier of the IDF had killed the egyptians before they actually shot at Israelis you'd probably argue that they killed poor civillians.
Iam confused. What is the Bundesheer supposed to do at the Sinai?
And here i was thinking that you wouldnt equal jews and evil zionist. Now you've really ruined how i perceive you. :/
Asking a country to secure the borders so that no murderers get can sneak out is arrogance? Wow.
Also the peace treaty is the base of an egyptian sinai. Just saying. Dont blame me, its politics.
Hah Hah Hah Hah Hah
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Then why do you complain? in the recent year, shootings have taken place on Israelis travelling along the border and rockets have been fired from the Egyptian side into Israel. from YOUR side of the border. if Egyptian soldiers are not tasked with the job of securing your side of the border from terrorism then who is?
I'm starting to wonder how all this time Egyptian soldiers were well capable of shooting defenceless Sudanese refugees who sought asylum in Israel, but have a harder times with people who pose a real hazard. all taking place in the same border.
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
Egypt and Israel sounds like Mexico and American border, but worse
Levite
Higher and Higher
Well said. :yes:
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
one thing i don't understand, it seems that all those from israel seem to be worried about the peace treaty being put up for referendum? whats the worry?
if the people decide to nullify the treaty it's their choice, if it was israel putting it on referendum would you be complaining about it? i don't see anyone complaining about israel not making a peace treaty with the palestinians, why don't you make a peace treaty with palestine?
if the people decide to nullify the treaty it's their choice, if it was israel putting it on referendum would you be complaining about it? i don't see anyone complaining about israel not making a peace treaty with the palestinians, why don't you make a peace treaty with palestine?
Shermana
Heretic
Making a peace treaty with the "Palestinians" is not viable. Why should Israel? What benefit is it to them? Fatah and Hamas will not honor it, their goal is to eliminate the Zionist presence. It would be suicide for Israel to make a deal with the Palestinians. Have the current peace agreements been beneficial to Israel? No? Then why should Israel expect any further deals to be?
If you even have to ask "What if Israel was putting it to a referendum", you display a total irrational understanding of the situation. Why would Israel put it to referendum? Why? Egypt has Muslim-brotherhood related reasons to do away with the peace. Israel doesn't.
As for the Egyptian referendum, if they do away with the peace treaty, that means they want war and don't want peace. Nothing else. If they do away with it, Israel should start buying B-52s and fortify the western border like the Maginot line and expect for a massive invasion and get ready to retake the Sinai.
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Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
But its not Israel who plans to nullify the peace treaty, isn't it right?
it's Egypt.
this peace treaty was signed with Israel handing to Egypt the entire Sinai peninsula, one thing that I don't understand is how easily Muslim members trivialise this fact and the signed agreement.
Shermana
Heretic
Would the USA be required to force Egypt to hand back over the Sinai if they renege? Were they guarantors of the deal?
Sajdah
Al-Aqsa Is In My Heart.
Really?! That wasn't your opinion in the previous post!
I see your point which is a poor attempt to justify the "Israeli" arrogance but it is irrelevant!
Perhaps it was just the policy of the ousted regime of Mubarak who was an ally and a close friend to zionists so it is not strange at all...I'm not surprised though, that "Israeli soldiers" are unable to stop an attack they had prior knowledge about, because they are just trained on massacring women and babies, not only this but they lay the blame of their failure on others and give themselves the right to continuously raid on a neighboring country claiming to have a peace treaty with!!
Sajdah
Al-Aqsa Is In My Heart.
It seems that your government has a different opinion
Jordan praises Israeli-Palestinian talks - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
Who said that it means war? Egypt and "Israel" are not ready for such a step, but if your government wants war, so be it!
LOL
Shermana
Heretic
Have you actually read that article? Quote anything where it shows Israel is actually offering any kind of deal. There's nothing in it that indicates it's anything more than a typical formality, a much ado about nothing. Feel free to quote. Go ahead. I'll start the quoting:
Maybe doing away with a peace treaty means something else to you. I would say that the government doing away with the peace treaty is the one that wants war. Do you not agree?
What's so funny?
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Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Oh really that wasnt my opinion? Why could that be?
Its like there is no sarcasm in egypt.
So its not the duty of egypt to stop attacks on a neighbouring country when they are planned or executed from its soil? Wow.
I know you only read evil jewish stuff while i write this but guess what thats different everywhere else in the world.
If egypt wont secure the sinai to stop attacks on the evil zionist entity there are two other solutions.
1. The evil zionist entity does the job. You really dont want that.
or
2. The UN does it. You also probably dont want this. It also wouldnt pass the GA of the UN because of the arab/muslim voting block.
So we are back to solution 1. Or, grasp yourself... egypt does it. I know crazy ****. Its like iam on meth.
Remember Assad? Just because you arent ready for war doesnt mean you wont act like you are.
Wasnt there something in the 70s and Assad? Some kind of war? I cant really remember.
Even back then while the whole egyptian, syrian and jordan armies were at the "border" of the evil zionist entity quite no one in egypt planned to attack. Noooooo all that talk about a coming war of all the arab nations was just that, talk. Yes. Welcome to the arab middle east, leave your brain at the reception.
Going to war never had anything to do with being able to win. History is full of examples.
After a series of wars peace is achieved and written down on a peace treaty.
Many years later one of the countries plans to drop the peace treaty but is all like "nah that doesnt mean we plan anything bad...".
Iam a bit rusty on all this warfare stuff but i know something. There is war, peace or an armistice.
After the peace treaty is gone the two countries arent at peace with eachother because the treaty is the essential part of the peace. I know this is very difficult to understand for some people. Its almost like quantum physics.
Yeah peace or war. Who cares?! Its not like peace is any different than war. Right?
After all war is just about nice music.
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Vietnam (surfin bird) - YouTube
As if there is something bad about war... tch ludicrous. :sarcastic
Sajdah
Al-Aqsa Is In My Heart.
They know very well that Egyptians refused and opposed this treaty from the very beginning, they know that Sadaat imposed it on people and later he was assassinated because of it...So they believe that if Egyptians were given the chance to vote, they certainly would cancel it (although it might not be actually true)...
This treaty is just like a treasure opened for zionists, canceling it means closing this open treasure...Their intellectuals themselves said that what they gained by this treaty was much more of what they could imagine to gain by war...That's the reason!
They cann't! because Israel doesn't know this word "Peace", they just know interests "land for peace"...Hamas wouldn't accept such thing, they would never accept to give "Israel" the remaining parts of their land on a silver plate for unactual peace...