Muslims the least educated in the world?

[outhouse]

I'm not even going to bother reading through the thread. So much of what we enjoy in the modern Western world came from the Medieval Muslim empire. Universities, hospitals, tooth brush, aircraft, alcohol, coffee, even algebra comes from that part of the world we Westerners typically consider too stupid and far beyond any sort of hope or redemption or consideration........educate yourself before denouncing the education of Muslims as a whole.

And it has been noted and agreed with.


Were talking about when the bad Iman came in and ruined the religion leaving it where it still is today. You know 1100 CE ish


Its what you get when you don't read it all

 

[MD]

This guy is:



Our concept of universities come from the medieval Islamic empire. They moved our medical knowledge ahead by leaps and bounds, pretty much on a level not seen since Hippocrates. They also envisioned flying machines long before Da Vinci. As for algebra, it's so Arabic that the name comes from the Arabic word al-jebr, and it was Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi who established algebra as a separate mathematical discipline.

You really need to learn your history. Algebra has been around since the ancient Babylonians, then went to the Greeks, then to India and China.

Algebra was further refined by the Persians during the Islamic Golden Age, whose knowledge existed well before Islam due to the ancient Persian empire. It's not Arabic only aside from the modern name we have given it now. Brainwashed liberalism promoting Islam really needs to stop, it's getting annoying. And it wasn't the religion that pushed the science of it's time, but the order in society that the religion brought about and the prosperity of the regions Islam ruled. I can almost guarantee you that all those scientists in the Islamic Golden Age were deists or pluralists and not true Salafists/Islamists like today.

Religions on their own impede science, which explains the abysmal state of education in the Muslim world today.

 

[Britedream]

Wrong again.

You don't think the religion is in need of reform?


Fixing something broken is not hatred. When people take their cars to a auto repair facility it is not because they hate them, it is because they want to work right.

Since you started going back in time, repeating your self through the same questions, please allow me to put you in front of the mirror for-while, for you to see what is wrong with your footprints.

As you may well know, Islam is solely based on the existence of God, as to that I went with you on a debate about the subject, by asking you first, if you believe in the universe expansion theory, your answer was, I don't only believe in it, I know it. then I went to say to you; if you were to reverse it, you will end you with the universe which at some point was nothing. As this is the case, one has to conclude that either something is creating the universe or nothing is creating the universe. But you exhausted the last option; "Nothing", by referring me to google for your source, in which it turns that your source is a biased source, as the source admits that, and your source did not claim that the idea of "Nothing" creating something is proven. Once I have you facing that, you acknowledged that you have no way out, by saying that is all I got, which leaves the only option left; that is , the universe is created by something.( we call this something is God).

Now from above:
1- You used a biased source, yet you cry for others not to do so. (words and actions are in mismatch).

2- you hold your thought to be true, yet your source of info does not lend you that. (illusions in thought).

3- you choose the option that neither are supported by reason nor by facts over the more reasonable option. ( biased for your opinion; opinionated).

Please keep the above points in mind, as there are more to come.

You have been posting all along that Islam is against education.


Just read the first word revealed in Quran; 96:1 "Read", the last words of the verse are ; your lord who taught the human with pen, things that they do not know. the verse is all about education, on the merit of this verse alone, Muslims have changed the world's face of eduction for ever. Please look at the link I always put for you, to see the effect of this verse:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X1PxJomypQE

So your statement about Islam is against education, is wrong due to lack of knowledge; you speak out of ignorance.

You always brag about history, but you are an ignorant of the Islamic history, Yet the Islamic history in eduction shines as clear as your ignorance in it shines.

You always brag about Islam plagiarized christianity and Judaism.

No one plagiarizes his own words; Christian Jews and Muslims believe their books are from the God of Abraham, So the author is one, yet, out of ignorance, you failed to realize that.

You are justifying killing innocent civilians to achieve your goal as per your words below:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Britedream
Killing civilians in mass is not justified in any circumstances.
Sorry it was.

Having a choice between killing 50,000 or 500,000.


Which choice would you make ?


I understand the debate fully on all sides, im not asking for an explanation. Simply a A or B choice. Because the times were what they were, and that was the choice.

5,424,000. innocent victims would ask for an equal return I bet.


take into account I am trying to help you against this militant Christian. You cannot use grey areas to combat with credibility.

End justifies the means, this is the Philosophy of the ISIS; exactly the same mentality as yours.

Reform: if you mean changing God's words, then that is a false approach; if you edit God's word, there are no longer God's words, they are your words.(Editing someone's words without his or her consent is illegal).


For all of the above, you must realized by now, the meaning of my earlier statement to you; "You are misled by your own thought in many things".

 

[1robin]

My question is simple then.

Why they didn't kill Al-razi while he wrote and spoke against Islam and the prophet , why he was respected even though he was irreligious and even criticized religion.

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I never made any claim to the 100% faithfulness of every Muslim who ever lived to enact what the Quran suggests. An exception does not disprove the rule. Nor was the rule even what was being discussed. What occurs frequently in Islam and what the Islamic doctrine states was. I am sure Jeffry Dahmer did not eat everyone he met, yet even his desperate lawyers knew that was a pathetic defense.

When you give me a rational answer then i'll discuss the nonsense that you offered

95% of my post was the Quran and Hadith. If you think it nonsense your in the wrong faith.

 

[1robin]

Did i write french ?

Gibberish.

 

[outhouse]

End justifies the means, this is the Philosophy of the ISIS;

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You support terrorism?


Attacking the messenger does not help the lack of education in islam


Nor does if help the severe fanaticism that plagues this religion

Islam requires literalism. Literalism of mythology is not good for anyone.

 

[outhouse]

As you may well know, Islam is solely based on the existence of God


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Gods exist scientifically ?


Your statement is so meaningless.

your source is a biased source

:slap:

Then prove it.



Your whole reply amounts to word salad it has no teeth or substance

 

[YmirGF]

The question remains, if Islam is all about eduction and a shining light on the hillside, then what happened? I've had some Muslims explain the reason why Muslims no longer lead the world in any area of scientific endeavor is because Muslims are no longer focused on such materialistic trifles.

 

[outhouse]

Islam and science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muslim scientists and scholars have subsequently developed a spectrum of viewpoints on the place of scientific learning within the context of Islam, none of which are universally accepted



This shows islam is factually a joke scientifically speaking


In recent years, the lagging of the Muslim world in science is manifest in the disproportionately small amount of scientific output as measured by citations of articles published in internationally circulating science journals, annual expenditures on research and development, and numbers of research scientists and engineers

 

[outhouse]

The question remains, if Islam is all about eduction and a shining light on the hillside, then what happened? I've had some Muslims explain the reason why Muslims no longer lead the world in any area of scientific endeavor is because Muslims are no longer focused on such materialistic trifles.

fact is they are lagging in countries that are well educated.

This only leads to the conclusion that fanaticism is retarding their educational abilities.


They hold the most fanaticism out of any large religion, as it is required.

 

[Britedream]

You support terrorism?


Attacking the messenger does not help the lack of education in islam


Nor does if help the severe fanaticism that plagues this religion

Islam requires literalism. Literalism of mythology is not good for anyone.

, Is English your mother tongue?. or you lack the comprehention ?.
please go back and read. All I post is what you have been doing.

 

[FearGod]

I never made any claim to the 100% faithfulness of every Muslim who ever lived to enact what the Quran suggests. An exception does not disprove the rule. Nor was the rule even what was being discussed. What occurs frequently in Islam and what the Islamic doctrine states was. I am sure Jeffry Dahmer did not eat everyone he met, yet even his desperate lawyers knew that was a pathetic defense.

If the quran says that the apostate should be killed then obviously Alrazi should have been killed for writing against the quran and the prophet, so that proves that the quran didn't order killing the apostates or the ones who writes against the prophet and Islam

95% of my post was the Quran and Hadith. If you think it nonsense your in the wrong faith.

The nonsense is what you think about the quran as ordering to kill the apostates, i don't think its due to your ignorance but just your propaganda against the quran, so i don't have an interest to discuss the verses as you are already programmed to refuse to understand the actual meaning of the verses, so any efforts will be a waste of time.

 

[outhouse]

, Is English your mother tongue?. or you lack the comprehention ?.
please go back and read. All I post is what you have been doing.

Are YEC Christians fundamentalist?

 

[Britedream]

Gods exist scientifically ?


Your statement is so meaningless.




:slap:

Then prove it.



Your whole reply amounts to word salad it has no teeth or substance

Here What I quoted for you from your source, admiting that he is a biase

Quote:
I cannot hide my own intellectual bias here. As I state in the first sentence of the book, I have never been sympathetic to the notion that creation requires a creator.

 

[outhouse]

Here What I quoted for you from your source, admiting that he is a biased.

And believing in 100% mythology is not biased

 

[1robin]

If the quran says that the apostate should be killed then obviously Alrazi should have been killed for writing against the quran and the prophet, so that proves that the quran didn't order killing the apostates or the ones who writes against the prophet and Islam

No it does not. It does not even hint that. In fact it has no relevance to it at all. This may be the worst defense of anything I have ever heard of. If any act any Muslim does or does not do is proof of the Quran then the Quran is a self contradictory mess. One group of Muslims kill hundreds of innocents and another group says they aren't Muslims, which BTW is the same thing the first group says. Actions or not proof of any doctrine. If Islamic actions were proof of doctrine I would not know whether to kill my neighbor or love him. The doctrine is what decides doctrines not adherents. I gave doctrine, you gave excuses.

The nonsense is what you think about the quran as ordering to kill the apostates, i don't think its due to your ignorance but just your propaganda against the quran, so i don't have an interest to discuss the verses as you are already programmed to refuse to understand the actual meaning of the verses, so any efforts will be a waste of time.

You know that yelling propaganda for every claim against your faith, especially ones from Muslims and the Quran may be the worst argument even theoretically possible. In fact it is not even an argument. It is a distraction. I gave Islamic doctrine not my opinion. Deny Islam if you want but don't pretend it is my opinion you reject.

 

[Britedream]

And believing in 100% mythology is not biased

Do you see How do you act when faced with truth?

Now you realized that your source is a biased source, what did you do, you went runing for something else.

Go learn how to debate, then come back and post.

 

[outhouse]

Do you see How do you act when faced with truth?

Now you realized that your source is a biased source, what did you do, you went runing for something else.

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You have nothing to debate. He placed his bias in context of being scientific instead of trying to force fit the supernatural into science where it FACTULLY does not belong.


You have not refuted the downhill slide islam took a thousand years ago and it is now an embarrassment to humanity. Why is it?


You must be muslim, you cannot answer questions

Why is it?

 

[outhouse]

cannot hide my own intellectual bias here. As I state in the first sentence of the book, I have never been sympathetic to the notion that creation requires a creator.

Anyone who does not state this, should not be listened to as that person would factually have no scientific credibility what so ever.

Thanks for playing


Of course maybe you lack the education to understand what exactly "intellectual bias" is since you rely on it so strongly.

 

[FearGod]

No it does not. It does not even hint that. In fact it has no relevance to it at all. This may be the worst defense of anything I have ever heard of. If any act any Muslim does or does not do is proof of the Quran then the Quran is a self contradictory mess. One group of Muslims kill hundreds of innocents and another group says they aren't Muslims, which BTW is the same thing the first group says. Actions or not proof of any doctrine. If Islamic actions were proof of doctrine I would not know whether to kill my neighbor or love him. The doctrine is what decides doctrines not adherents. I gave doctrine, you gave excuses.

Are these words an explanation for the reason of not killing Alrazi who was an apostate living freely in the Islamic empire and even respected for his scientific work.

that is what the word nonsense mean, a lot of words which is pointless exactly as what you are doing now.

You know that yelling propaganda for every claim against your faith, especially ones from Muslims and the Quran may be the worst argument even theoretically possible. In fact it is not even an argument. It is a distraction. I gave Islamic doctrine not my opinion. Deny Islam if you want but don't pretend it is my opinion you reject.

No it isn't a distraction, but i ain't interesting to discus the nonsense of your claims against the quran. why to waste time, i understand the quran much than you do but honestly saying i have no interest to waste my time for explaining each verse to you.